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Another Loss For Durham Tees Valley MME  
User currently offlineeuropean742 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 111 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3566 times:

Eastern Airways have informed us at SOU that the route SOU-LBA-MME will be discontinued from 5th September 2011 as the route is no longer economically viable.

Yet another loss for a struggling airport, I know it is only 2 flights a day on a J41 but for an airport which has gone from 917,000 pax in 2006 to 220,000 in 2010, this must be quite a blow.

It is a shame because as the airport handled as many passengers as it did a few years ago, the demand is obviously there. It does raise concerns as to whether the airport has a long term future.

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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

Another sad day for my former home airport. SOU may not have been the biggest destination but with everything they have lost in recent years it is another nail in the probable coffin. I recall Peel/VAS saying that if it doesn't turn around soon itmight close. I guess the people of Teesside would rather spend money traveling to NCL, LBA, MAN etc. Meanwhile MME is locked in the vicious circle of no passengers so no service so no passengers.

User currently offlineeuropean742 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Yes I heard Peel said "Use it or lose it" but the thing is, theres only ABZ, AMS and a handful of charters, not a great choice, they need to make an offer to attract a low cost carrier into there, they can prove demand is there as WW have demonstrated before. There is a gap in the market but most importantly they need a link to London restored, maybe BE to LGW.

User currently offlineedina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 743 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

I doubt any London link would now get off the ground....open access rail operator Grand Central have stepped in where Eat Coast mainline operators have failed to recognise the potential &are offering the area a viable rail service http://www.grandcentralrail.com/

The BD LHR service relied on traffic to/from a large ICI plant at Wilton, but since that was sold off late 90's/early 2000's that traffic dwindled.

Only hope would be an LGW with BE as previously stated.....



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User currently onlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

Another drawback with MME is that all pax must pay a "Passenger Facility Fee" of £6 per adult (£2 for each child) on top of the normal taxes, fees and charges included in the total ticket price.
Maybe business people are happy to pay this extra fee but for leisure pax (especially families) it's something which could make MME less competitive with nearby alternatives.


User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/te...ey-airport-says-mp-84229-29237769/

Latest idea is to transfer some RAF operations to MME. Desparate times.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7526 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

Not clear which RAF activities they propose to move and which to leave at Leeming.

Sounds like a real mish mash of an idea.


User currently offlinesam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

Quoting european742 (Reply 2):
There is a gap in the market but most importantly they need a link to London restored, maybe BE to LGW.

If BE can't make LGW to LBA work (they blamed APD and increases in landing charges for regional aircraft at LGW), then LGW to MME is very unlikely.

I'd love to see someone start MME - LBA - LGW though. It would mean both airports would have their London links restored, and would only require a couple of daily slot pairs at LGW.

This announcement is bad for LBA too, as they've lost many UK domestic routes this year - Air Southwest to BRS/EXT/PLH, Eastern to SOU and BE to LGW. BE's route from LBA to SOU will be the only route from LBA to the south of England.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7526 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

IMO, there are a range of factors that reduce the likelihood of flights from Northern England to Southern England.

These include government desire to switch these routes from air to rail, (HS2 for example), the lack of slots in particularly London Airports, which tends towards use of larger aircraft on long haul flights and finally, the negative public attitude to aviation.

On the subject of HS2, i was recently looking at flights to London. There was nothing scheduled from Birmingham, Leeds-Bradford or Liverpool.

Another factor is that MME is not far from NCL.

Quite apart from the economic outlet it is hard to see any factors favouring MME.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7461 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2098 times:

Flew LTN-MME back in around 1968 in one of these:

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Photo © Ralf Manteufel


If memory serves me right other domestic flights operated from LTN by Autair at that time were to BLK, CAX (Carlisle Lake District), DND and HUY.


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 days ago) and read 2080 times:

Quoting sam1987 (Reply 7):
I'd love to see someone start MME - LBA - LGW though. It would mean both airports would have their London links restored, and would only require a couple of daily slot pairs at LGW.

I agree. Internal flights, with low utilization, should be a government priority. It's good for employment and increases the sellability of an area to industry. Maybe they could drop all taxes on such routes and defer the cost to more utilized routes.

Places like MME need all the help they can get.


User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 days ago) and read 2021 times:
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Very bad news, this is where I fly a traumahawk from, it's a lovely airport and I hope it stays around.

Quoting edina (Reply 3):
The BD LHR service relied on traffic to/from a large ICI plant at Wilton, but since that was sold off late 90's/early 2000's that traffic dwindled.



I think this is probably true. The traditional industries of the north east seem to be dwindling and there is a lot of unemployment around.

I think the best way to keep this place open is to try and make the local industries work again through providing the right infrastructure.

1. Make the roads in the area big enough for the lorries. This has been done for the link road to the A66, bypassing villages.

2. Redevelop the train station to make it nearer and make the train that passes each direction every half hour stop there (not twice a week), If people from the surrounding area could just get on the train and not have to bother driving I imagine that holiday flights would pick up hugely.

3. The proposed cargo village to the south of the runway should be constructed. There is flat, well drained ground and it should be used instead of going to scrub. Anything there would br good even if it isnt directly related to aviation as basically being on the doorstep would increase peoples knowledge on the airport.

4. Change the name back, I know teesside isn't the "lovliest" of places but thats where it serves, not durham really.

I hope MME can get back to where it once was.

Fred


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Quoting sam1987 (Reply 7):
This announcement is bad for LBA too, as they've lost many UK domestic routes this year - Air Southwest to BRS/EXT/PLH

WOW's LBA-BRS has been transferred to Eastern, operating ABZ-LBA-BRS and is apparently going from 2xMon-Fri to 3xMon-Fri in the Autumn

Also WOW served NQY not EXT

Quoting sam1987 (Reply 7):
BE's route from LBA to SOU will be the only route from LBA to the south of England.

Plus BE's LBA-EXT (and T3's BRS mentioned above)

Quoting VV701 (Reply 9):
Flew LTN-MME back in around 1968 in one of these:


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Photo © Ralf Manteufel


If memory serves me right other domestic flights operated from LTN by Autair at that time were to BLK, CAX (Carlisle Lake District), DND and HUY.

HUY didn't open until 1974  



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User currently offlinetrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3237 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

I will admit I am not familiar with the Teesside area and have never flown from MME but

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 11):
Redevelop the train station to make it nearer and make the train that passes each direction every half hour stop there (not twice a week), If people from the surrounding area could just get on the train and not have to bother driving I imagine that holiday flights would pick up hugely.

is a travesty. How could a railway station that close to an airport have just a derisory Parliamentary service? If more regular trains called at the station and a dedicated bus shuttle ran to the terminal, passenger numbers could greatly improve.

(For those not familiar with British railways, a Parliamentary service is one run at minimal frequency along a route or to a station as a means of avoiding the more costly enquiries and discussions which closure would entail. This is because British rail services are governed by Acts of Parliament.)

Trintocan.



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User currently offlineVS239 From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2006, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1667 times:

Being from Newcastle I must admit to having a bit of a soft spot for MME as it has helped me out in the past.

Years ago I was on the return leg of a HKG -LHR - NCL flight and for some reason known only to them my travel agent decided to cancel my reservation for the return leg so I was stuffed. After trying to rebook me all the flights from NCL to LHR were booked solid but little old MME stepped into the limelight and shone like a beacon of hope. (Oi. turn that romantic music off...    ) Anyway - cue a taxi ride to Teesside and a 6:30 in the morning flight to LHR on a British Midland Fokker (F-100??). Wonderful flight, sunny skies and made the LHR flight.

Hope you pull through MME little buddy



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7461 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1629 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 12):
HUY didn't open until 1974

Was there another Hull airport on the other side of the Humber Estuary before HUY opened?

The reason I ask is that on the day that I flew LTN-MME another Autair aircraft was damaged at LTN when a ground support vehicle collided with it. The result was that my flight and the flight the damaged aircraft was to operate were rolled together and I am virtually certain my aircraft operated LTN-MME-Hull-LTN .


User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 15):
I am virtually certain my aircraft operated LTN-MME-Hull-LTN .

Quite probable. Autair used Brough airfield as Hull airport at that time.they had quite a few services from MME as well, only AMS survives to this day, via KLM of course.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7461 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 16):
Quite probable. Autair used Brough airfield as Hull airport at that time

That must be it. Found this image of an Autair timetable for Wionter 1968-69. It clearly shows Hull as a destination from LTN. So it must have been Brough:

http://www.airtimes.com/cgat/uk/autair/1a/ou681101.jpg


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1211 times:

Its sad to see this airport struggle.

It looked like it had built a niche niche when the LCC market took off, but as that market sector has evolved, more and more service seems to be moving onto bigger airports. The secondary options are being reduced as part of that shift.

I could still see some future for it to build on, but it would likely take a more prosperous economic position for the country to be in to bring about the right conditions for it to thrive again.


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