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Why Did FR Leave Warsaw, Prague, Budapest?  
User currently offlinen272wa From Ireland, joined Jun 2007, 410 posts, RR: 7
Posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

Just curious as to why FR set up shop in these 3 airports, only to pull the plug?
Was it cost related at these airports or simply due to competition from other Eastern European LCC's?
Seems like a huge gap in their route network, but I guess, pretty much every other Polish airport is served by them.
Cheers for any input!
M  


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User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

I think that WAW has high operational costs involved, might be one of the reasons FR & U2 closed their routes to/from WAW.

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4649 times:

I suspect that Wizz was more of a challenge than LOT/Malev/CSA.

User currently offlineflyingbird From Sweden, joined Mar 2005, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4505 times:

FR will probably be back in Warsaw once the new low cost airport Modlin opens.
http://www.modlinairport.pl/


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

^^ Yeah, I suspect Wizz was a very big reason in all of this.

They have become a very big competitor, with a very strong market position in Eastern Europe. It makes it hard for FR and U2 to impose the same level of competitive advantage it does in many other parts.


User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5140 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4457 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 4):
They have become a very big competitor, with a very strong market position in Eastern Europe. It makes it hard for FR and U2 to impose the same level of competitive advantage it does in many other parts.

But still there are loads of routes from BUD not covered at all, and the city is one big tourist magnet.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4406 times:

^^ Very true, but there must be reasons why carriers do not feel the need to take them on yet, whether it be potential yields, demand or operational reasons.

Wizz would likely be in a stronger position than FR or U2 to take them on though, but time will tell.


User currently offlinen272wa From Ireland, joined Jun 2007, 410 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4396 times:

About 5 years ago, there were 5 daily flights between Dublin and Warsaw. (1 Aer Lingus, 2 LOT, 1 Centralwings and 1 Ryanair). Now we have just one (EI).


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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

^^ That was at the height of the Celtic Tiger years, with substantial travel and worker demand.

These days things are less than bright on that route, and the same goes for many other routes that were once strong.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4339 times:

Quoting n272wa (Reply 7):
About 5 years ago, there were 5 daily flights between Dublin and Warsaw. (1 Aer Lingus, 2 LOT, 1 Centralwings and 1 Ryanair). Now we have just one (EI).

You could search www.anna.aero for 'Poland' or such and read some great analysis.



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User currently offlineEICVD From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2163 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4278 times:

Quoting n272wa (Reply 7):
About 5 years ago, there were 5 daily flights between Dublin and Warsaw. (1 Aer Lingus, 2 LOT, 1 Centralwings and 1 Ryanair). Now we have just one (EI).

That many! I knew there was a couple of daily flights to WAW but thought it was only 3 at most. I presume the DY flight was after LO had given up on the route? I still wish FR flew to BUD, I most definetly wouldnt be losing out on E300 from my now cancelled trip!


User currently onlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

When FR pull the plug is always because the same reason..... local authorities don´t want to pay what ryanair demands.

They might cancel some routes but pull completely it´s only for one reason.... even if the demand is low they cover with local helps to develop the operation, so NO MONEY NO RYANAIR....


User currently offlineairproxx From France, joined Jun 2008, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 11):
When FR pull the plug is always because the same reason..... local authorities don´t want to pay what ryanair demands.

They might cancel some routes but pull completely it´s only for one reason.... even if the demand is low they cover with local helps to develop the operation, so NO MONEY NO RYANAIR....

Exactly what I thought. FR needs local subventions to survive. They squeezed the lemon out of its juice and now they just leave. Nice way to consider their passengers.



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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2640 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2903 times:
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Didn't they withdraw from Budapest and Prague because the airport authorities refused to lower the fees? There was even a thread on that on airliners.

Don't know about Prague but Budapest has a dedicated low cost terminal just across the main one, so I fail to understand why they were the only ones to complain.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 13):
Didn't they withdraw from Budapest and Prague because the airport authorities refused to lower the fees? There was even a thread on that on airliners.

Don't know about Prague but Budapest has a dedicated low cost terminal just across the main one, so I fail to understand why they were the only ones to complain.

Common FR business dealings unfortunately. It often hides the true reason though, which is that they likely struggle to make money on many routes without such fee reductions. If the routes made money on their own, they would stay.

Quoting airproxx (Reply 12):
Exactly what I thought. FR needs local subventions to survive. They squeezed the lemon out of its juice and now they just leave. Nice way to consider their passengers.

One of the reasons I struggle to see as bright of a future for them, as they are so easy to cut and run, but the opportunities to grow are reducing by the year.


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