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User currently offlinebaguy From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 546 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5149 times:

Hi,

Was looking through photos of 767 interiors earlier, and noticed these 2 different types of older interiors (ie. Classic not Signature). What is the reasoning for the two different types of side bins? (As shown below)

The 'different' interior:

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The 'Classic' interior, that I have seen many times before:

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Sorry if it's been asked before - did a search and couldn't find anything - only Classic vs. Signature.

BAguy

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User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5023 times:

Don't have a precise answer but it likely was a modification made in order to increase the capacity of the outboard bins.
The 767 bins are notoriously small for an aircraft that size.

There were options that emerged for the L1011 TriStar, which also originally had the puniest of bins. I know that Delta had the updated bins.


Hopefully someone else can provide more technical specifics.


User currently offline1337DELTA764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6486 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4975 times:

I'm pretty sure the "different" interior was not a factory option, it was probably an aftermarket mod. I know that the larger bins that DL had on the L-1011 were made by Heath Tecna (who is now making the new bins/interior for DL's 763ERs). Not sure who made the bins in the OP.

Also, on early-build 767s, the latches for the bin doors were different:

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

Quoting AT (Reply 1):
There were options that emerged for the L1011 TriStar, which also originally had the puniest of bins. I know that Delta had the updated bins.

Early 747s and DC-10s also had small bins. Many carriers later installed much larger bins as aftermarket modifications.

Many early DC-10s and L-1011s also lacked centerline bins which were also added later by many operators. In those days passengers didn't see the need to bring all their worldly belongings in carry-on bags.

Two examples of much larger aftermarket 747 bins on UA and TWA 741s.


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The original bins over the window seats were identical to the unchanged centerline bins as in the UA photo above. Photo below of a UA 741 as originally delivered (also note the original spacious 9-abreast (3-4-2) and 36 inch pitch Y class seating). The larger aftermarket bins over the window seats significantly reduced headroom below the bins.


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User currently offline1337DELTA764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6486 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4493 times:

I wonder what was the reason though for Boeing making the 767 overhead bins smaller than those on the A300.

BTW, here is an example of original vs. modded L-1011 bins:

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4388 times:

Quoting 1337DELTA764 (Reply 4):
I wonder what was the reason though for Boeing making the 767 overhead bins smaller than those on the A300.

The Airbus fuselage is 2 feet wider than the 767. That means a lot more room for larger bins. If you installed A300/310/330/340 bins on a 767 there would be very little headroom in the aisles.


User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4332 times:
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I have searched but can not find it.
It has been in fact discussed several times.
It was a British Airways thing - and the reason why eludes - that's why I was looking for it.
If I find it I will post. I think it may be buried in a post.


User currently offline1337DELTA764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6486 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):

The Airbus fuselage is 2 feet wider than the 767. That means a lot more room for larger bins. If you installed A300/310/330/340 bins on a 767 there would be very little headroom in the aisles.

Of course with the Boeing Signature Interior, Boeing leapfrogged both the A300/A310 and A330/A340 in overhead capacity.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4262 times:

Quoting 1337DELTA764 (Reply 7):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):

The Airbus fuselage is 2 feet wider than the 767. That means a lot more room for larger bins. If you installed A300/310/330/340 bins on a 767 there would be very little headroom in the aisles.

Of course with the Boeing Signature Interior, Boeing leapfrogged both the A300/A310 and A330/A340 in overhead capacity.

Are you sure of that? What's the difference in overhead bin volume per passenger on the 763 with the new bins compared to the current A330/340 bins (at equivalent seating density)? I've never seen Boeing say that the Signature interior means more bin volume per passenger than Airbus, just that the new bins are easier to access than the original 767 bins.

Personally, I don't like that type of bin which is often hard to close when loaded with several heavy bags, since you have to push the entire weight (which could be 60 pounds or more) upwards. I've often seen passengers (especially those who aren't very tall, or the elderly) have a lot of trouble closing the similarly-designed bins on 777s. I much prefer the Airbus type of bins where you only have to close the lightweight bin door and not hoist the entire bin with its contents.


User currently offline1337DELTA764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6486 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
Are you sure of that? What's the difference in overhead bin volume per passenger on the 763 with the new bins compared to the current A330/340 bins (at equivalent seating density)? I've never seen Boeing say that the Signature interior means more bin volume per passenger than Airbus, just that the new bins are easier to access than the original 767 bins.

Personally, I don't like that type of bin which is often hard to close when loaded with several heavy bags, since you have to push the entire weight (which could be 60 pounds or more) upwards. I've often seen passengers (especially those who aren't very tall, or the elderly) have a lot of trouble closing the similarly-designed bins on 777s. I much prefer the Airbus type of bins where you only have to close the lightweight bin door and not hoist the entire bin with its contents.

I'm 100% sure. The pivot bins make efficient use of ceiling space. Aside from a few cosmetic changes, Airbus never really changed the overall design of the bins on the A330/A340 since the introduction of the A340 in the late 1980s. The 777-style Signature Interior bins, on the other hand, were designed from the ground up and eventually modified for use on the 767 and 747.

Unfortunately for you, some airlines have adopted pivot bins on the A380, and pivot bins will be included standard on the A350.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
Personally, I don't like that type of bin which is often hard to close when loaded with several heavy bags, since you have to push the entire weight (which could be 60 pounds or more) upwards. I've often seen passengers (especially those who aren't very tall, or the elderly) have a lot of trouble closing the similarly-designed bins on 777s. I much prefer the Airbus type of bins where you only have to close the lightweight bin door and not hoist the entire bin with its contents.

I don't think that has anything to do with the design of the bin but how it's maintained. I've closed those bins with one single finger. By design, they are suppose to close with ease, even full.



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User currently offlineBigMac From Suriname, joined Nov 2003, 319 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 10):
I don't think that has anything to do with the design of the bin but how it's maintained. I've closed those bins with one single finger. By design, they are suppose to close with ease, even full.

Yup, I though so. You should be able to close a fully loaded pivot bin with one finger. I think they should also close by themselves if you nudge them up hard enough.



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User currently offlineegnr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3707 times:

Quoting 1337DELTA764 (Reply 9):
Unfortunately for you, some airlines have adopted pivot bins on the A380, and pivot bins will be included standard on the A350.

SAS has pivot bins (at least in the forward business cabins) of its A330s/A340s, only above the centreline seating though - the cabin wall mounted bins still have the conventional upwards opening door. On approach into ORD on one flight with them, I watched one of these bins slowly open and slowly descend to fully open becasue it had not been fully closed by the passenger  
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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

To fit a rollaboard? All they've done is square them out a bit...

User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3213 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2691 times:

the pict shown was an experienment by BA to allow roll on bags to be stowed feet first...
i believe it didnt get any further.... and those bins were particularly ugly. Thank god for
the pivot ones coming along.


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