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OAG Changes 8/19/2011: AA/AS/B6/DL/F9/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7322 posts, RR: 14
Posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7569 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

Note:
I WAS MOVING LAST WEEK, so this is a second update for this week.


AA DFW-CLT FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6
AA DFW-FLL MAR 6>7
AA DFW-IAH MAR 6>7 APR 6>7
AA DFW-LAS FEB 11>12 MAR 10>11
AA DFW-LIR FEB 0.3>0.5 MAR 0.3>0.6
AA DFW-MBJ FEB 0.4>0.5 MAR 0.4>0.6
AA DFW-MEX FEB 6>5 MAR 5>4
AA DFW-NAS FEB 0.3>0.4 MAR 0.3>0.4
AA DFW-PBI MAR 2>3
AA DFW-PHX FEB 10>11 MAR 9>10
AA DFW-PTY FEB 0.5>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3
AA DFW-TUS MAR 7>8
Secondary Mexicos keep getting hammered even in peak.
*AA DFW-ZIH FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.2
AA JFK-DCA DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 6>7 MAR 5>6 APR 5>6
AA MIA-MVD FEB 0.7>1.0 MAR 0.5>1.0
AA ORD-DFW FEB 17>19 MAR 16>19 APR 16>19
AA ORD-FLL MAR 4>5
AA ORD-MBJ FEB 0.9>1.0 MAR 0.9>1.0

*AC MHT-YYZ OCT 1.1>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.8>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0
AC SFO-YUL OCT 0.9>0.7

AM DEN-MEX DEC 0.3>0.5
AM JFK-MEX OCT 4>3
AM MCO-MEX OCT 1.7>1.5
AM ONT-GDL OCT 0.6>1.0
AM ORD-GDL OCT 0.8>1.0
AM ORD-MTY SEP 1.0>0.6

AS MMH-SJC DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 1.0>0.5 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 0.3>0.2
AS SEA-HNL DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 3>4 MAR 2>3

B6 BOS-CUN OCT 0.5>0.4
B6 EWR-RSW NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0
B6 FLL-LGA NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 6>7 MAR 5>6 APR 5>6
B6 FLL-SDQ NOV 0.6>0.7
B6 FLL-SJU NOV 3>4
B6 HPN-RSW DEC 1.8>1.0
B6 JFK-AUA JAN 2.0>3
B6 JFK-CUN DEC 3>1.7
B6 JFK-FLL JAN 9>10 FEB 11>12 MAR 11>12 APR 11>12
B6 JFK-KIN DEC 1.0>1.5
B6 JFK-PUJ NOV 1.0>1.2
B6 JFK-STI DEC 5>6
B6 LGB-OAK OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
B6 LGB-SEA NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>1.9 JAN 3>1.9 FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2 APR 3>2
B6 MCO-BQN NOV 1.0>1.4 DEC 1.5>2
B6 MCO-BUF JAN 1.0>1.9
B6 MCO-CUN DEC 1.0>1.5

BR SFO-TPE JAN 1.7>1.6

CO EWR-DEN MAR 4>5
CO EWR-YQM DEC 1.0>1.5
CO IAH-ABQ OCT 3>1.2
CO LGA-AUA MAR 0>0.1

DL ALO-MSP MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.9
DL ATL-AGS MAR 10>9
DL ATL-BNA JAN 11>10 FEB 11>10
DL ATL-BWI JAN 11>10
*DL ATL-CDG MAR 1.7>2 APR 1.0>2
DL ATL-CHS JAN 11>10
DL ATL-GSO JAN 9>8
DL ATL-GSP JAN 10>9 FEB 10>9
DL ATL-HSV JAN 10>9
DL ATL-MSN FEB 4>3 MAR 3>2
DL ATL-MYR JAN 4>5 MAR 4>3
DL ATL-PWM DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 FEB 4>3 MAR 3>2
DL ATL-SAV JAN 10>9 FEB 11>10
Delayed restart or gone?
*DL ATL-SVO MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.7>0
*DL ATL-TLV MAR 0.1>0 APR 0.6>0
DL ATL-VPS MAR 9>10
DL ATL-XNA JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
*DL AZO-MSP JAN 2>1.1 FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
DL BOI-MSP MAR 2>3
*DL BOS-AMS MAR 1.0>1.3 APR 1.0>2
DL BOS-CMH MAR 4>3
DL BWI-MSP MAR 5>4
DL BZN-MSP MAR 2>3
Cuts resume at CVG, except a one month addition to SFO.
*DL CVG-CUN OCT 0.2>0 APR 0.1>0
*DL CVG-DEN FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 1.8>1.0
*DL CVG-MDT JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>0.9
*DL CVG-MSP FEB 8>7 MAR 7>6
DL CVG-SFO MAR 1.0>2
*DL DTW-AMS MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
DL DTW-AVL JAN 2>1.1 FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
DL DTW-BHM JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
DL DTW-BMI JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.4
DL DTW-BNA JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6
DL DTW-CHS FEB 4>3 MAR 3>2
DL DTW-CLE JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
DL DTW-CVG FEB 8>7 MAR 7>6
DL DTW-GRR JAN 9>8 FEB 10>8 MAR 9>8
DL DTW-LAN FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6
DL DTW-MBS JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6
DL DTW-MHT JAN 5>4
DL DTW-MQT FEB 4>3 MAR 3>2
DL DTW-PVD MAR 7>6
DL DTW-ROA JAN 2>1.1 FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
DL DTW-SAV JAN 2>1.1 FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
DL DTW-SBN JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
DL DTW-TVC JAN 6>5 FEB 6>4 MAR 6>5
DL DTW-TYS JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
DL DTW-YQB JAN 2>1.1 FEB 3>1.0
DL HIB-MSP JAN 3>2 MAR 3>2 APR 3>2
*DL JFK-ARN MAR 0.3>0 APR 1.0>0
DL JFK-BUF OCT 6>5
*DL JFK-CPH MAR 0.3>0 APR 1.0>0
WOW! I guess they have the JV with AZ?
*DL JFK-FCO NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0.3
*DL JFK-MAN MAR 0.3>0 APR 1.0>0
*DL JFK-TXL MAR 0.3>0 APR 1.0>0
DL LAX-MSP MAR 6>7
DL LGA-BHM DEC 1.7>0.8
DL LGA-BOS NOV 13>12
DL LGA-DCA NOV 14>13
DL MEM-ATL DEC 10>9
DL MLI-MSP FEB 4>3 MAR 3>2
DL MSO-MSP JAN 2>1.1 FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
*DL MSP-AMS MAR 2>3 APR 2>3
DL MSP-OMA JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6
DL MSP-PDX MAR 3>4
DL MSP-PHX MAR 6>7
DL MSP-SAN MAR 3>4
DL MSP-SFO JAN 5>4 FEB 6>4 MAR 5>4
DL MSP-TUL JAN 2>1.1 FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
DL MSP-YUL JAN 2>1.1 FEB 3>1.0
DL MSP-YVR FEB 4>3
DL MSP-YYC FEB 4>3 MAR 3>2
DL SLC-COD OCT 0>1.0
DL SLC-IAH MAR 4>3
DL SLC-JAC MAR 4>3
DL SLC-ORD MAR 5>4

F9 DEN-COS NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6
So this fixes last week's screw up they apparently made.
*F9 DEN-PHL NOV 0>0.7
F9 DEN-PHX NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5
F9 MCI-DEN NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5
*F9 MCI-HOU NOV 0>1.4 DEC 0>1.5 JAN 0>1.4 FEB 0>1.5 MAR 0>0.8
*F9 MCI-LAS NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9
Talk about short-lived...
*F9 MCI-LAX NOV 2>0.9 DEC 1.5>0.8
*F9 MCI-LGA NOV 4>3

G4 BLI-LGB NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 FLL-PBG FEB 0.8>1.5 MAR 0.7>1.4 APR 0.7>1.4
G4 IDA-LGB NOV 0.3>0.1
B6 is going to love this
*G4 LAS-LGB NOV 0.5>1.4 DEC 0.6>1.7 JAN 0.6>1.5 FEB 0.6>1.6 MAR 0.6>1.6 APR 0.6>1.6
G4 LAS-MOT JAN 0.6>0.4 APR 0.6>0.4

IS ACK-HYA SEP 13>15 OCT 12>14 NOV 12>14 DEC 12>14 JAN 12>14 FEB 13>15 MAR 12>14 APR 12>14

K5 BOI-IDA SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3

KE GUM-ICN NOV 1.6>1.0 DEC 1.6>1.0 JAN 1.6>1.0 FEB 1.6>1.0 MAR 1.5>1.0
KE GUM-KIX NOV 1.3>1.0 DEC 1.8>1.0 JAN 1.7>1.0 FEB 1.7>1.0
KE ORD-ICN JAN 1.4>1.8 FEB 1.5>1.9 MAR 1.5>1.8
KE ROR-ICN NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.2
KE SEA-ICN NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.8 MAR 1.0>0.8

KX TPA-GCM OCT 0.7>0.6

That's an odd route...
*LA MIA-PUJ JAN 0.1>0.3 FEB 0.1>0.3
LA MIA-SCL DEC 1.5>1.6 JAN 1.4>3 FEB 1.5>1.8

LX EWR-ZRH DEC 0.8>0.6

OZ HNL-ICN DEC 0.1>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3
I assume this is a code share misfiled and not a tag.
*OZ LAX-SAN NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0

S3 MIA-CCS NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3

SY MSP-PHX SEP 0.4>0.2 OCT 0.8>0.6 NOV 0.9>0.6

TGN HLM-PKN SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0

UA ORD-ALB JAN 5>4
UA ORD-CUN DEC 1.7>1.4

*US BOS-LAS DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
*US BOS-MBJ JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2
US CHS-LGA NOV 3>1.7

VC HNL-BNE DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.4
VC HNL-MEL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.4

VR BOS-RAI NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3

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User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7503 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS SEA-HNL DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 3>4 MAR 2>3

I'm not sure what equipment HA isusing, but wouldn't this now make AS the larger carrier on this route now?


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7322 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7438 times:

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 1):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS SEA-HNL DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 3>4 MAR 2>3

I'm not sure what equipment HA isusing, but wouldn't this now make AS the larger carrier on this route now?

DL 1.0x 753
HA 1.5x 763
AS 3.0x 73H


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7394 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Delayed restart or gone?
*DL ATL-SVO MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.7>0

So far all loaded as delayed restarts for June 1, 2012, including JFK-TXL/ARN/CPH/MAN...

So far, JFK-SNN, JFK-FCO (DL metal), and JFK-NCE are still scheduled to restart on March 24.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7369 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
That's an odd route...
*LA MIA-PUJ JAN 0.1>0.3 FEB 0.1>0.3

LAN Chile has been flying MIAPUJ for over two decades. It used to be the only service between the mainlnd U.S. and Punta Cana until 2002. Instead of parking planes at MIA between SCL runs, it sends it's planes back to Santiago during the day via BOG, CCS, CUN and PUJ. LAN Argentina also flies MIAPUJ.



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User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7338 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*US BOS-LAS DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0

Predicted in the last thread...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Cuts resume at CVG, except a one month addition to SFO.

There are heavy cuts at DTW too, so I'd chalk these up to seasonal pruning for now. I do think that CVG and MEM are both done once the LGA slot swap goes forward.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Talk about short-lived...
*F9 MCI-LAX NOV 2>0.9 DEC 1.5>0.8
*F9 MCI-LGA NOV 4>3

Either filing errors or trial balloons to see if DL would respond?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
That's an odd route...
*LA MIA-PUJ JAN 0.1>0.3 FEB 0.1>0.3

They do have the AA codeshare, and perhaps they have a contract with some resort(s) in Punta Cana. Or it could be a test to see if they can get some profitable utilization out of aircraft which sit at MIA all day.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
KE ROR-ICN NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.2

Weird that this showed up as ROR is not in the U.S. anymore.


User currently offlineSATexan From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7291 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Secondary Mexicos keep getting hammered even in peak.
*AA DFW-ZIH FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.2

AA is actually adding frequencies in secondary markets in Mexico. AGU, SLP etc have seen frequency increases while QRO and VER were started not too long ago. ZIH never had more than a token service from DFW. So this cut is not surprising..


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7322 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7278 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Delayed restart or gone?
*DL ATL-SVO MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.7>0

So far all loaded as delayed restarts for June 1, 2012, including JFK-TXL/ARN/CPH/MAN...

So far, JFK-SNN, JFK-FCO (DL metal), and JFK-NCE are still scheduled to restart on March 24.

Interesting, but cuts keep piling up on the Atlantic.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
LAN Chile has been flying MIAPUJ for over two decades. It used to be the only service between the mainlnd U.S. and Punta Cana until 2002. Instead of parking planes at MIA between SCL runs, it sends it's planes back to Santiago during the day via BOG, CCS, CUN and PUJ. LAN Argentina also flies MIAPUJ.

I had no idea. Interesting.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 5):
There are heavy cuts at DTW too, so I'd chalk these up to seasonal pruning for now.

But CVG tends to get "seasonal" cuts that never return.  
Quoting ScottB (Reply 5):
I do think that CVG and MEM are both done once the LGA slot swap goes forward.

Exactly

Quoting ScottB (Reply 5):
Either filing errors or trial balloons to see if DL would respond?

I think they just changed their mind and decided to add HOU/LAS instead in the space of a week. Things do change quickly over there.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 5):
Weird that this showed up as ROR is not in the U.S. anymore.

OAG has apparently not updated their table that marks the location region.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25409 posts, RR: 86
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7262 times:
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Quoting ScottB (Reply 5):
Either filing errors or trial balloons to see if DL would respond?

I would have thought seasonality plays into it, but after the hoo-haa in the previous thread, who knows?

mariner



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5200 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-LIR FEB 0.3>0.5 MAR 0.3>0.6
AA DFW-MBJ FEB 0.4>0.5 MAR 0.4>0.6

Looks like the LCCs aren't the only ones doing well on the transborder leisure routes to Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-NAS FEB 0.3>0.4 MAR 0.3>0.4

Funny how this one is working out for AA, while ORD-NAS and LGA-NAS flopped.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Secondary Mexicos keep getting hammered even in peak.
*AA DFW-ZIH FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.2

Huh? AA has been growing in Mexico, especially to the secondary markets as Eagle has started service to quite a few lately. They have virtually no history at ZIH, and seeing as how (PM)UA quietly pulled out after a few seasons of DEN/LAX-ZIH, it wouldn't shock me if AA followed suit. After all, the state of Guerrero isn't the most peaceful place in Mexico right now...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA MIA-MVD FEB 0.7>1.0 MAR 0.5>1.0

Nice to see this relatively new nonstop service up to daily, if only for the peak season (for now). I assume this means Uruguay continues to do quite well economically these days!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

*AC MHT-YYZ OCT 1.1>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.8>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0

Not terribly surprising. It seems like quite a few of these smaller ZX (Air Georgian) markets are on the chopping block these days. I guess places like ABE, MDT, and ROC need not worry only about FL/WN leaving but also their sole nonstop international service...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AM ONT-GDL OCT 0.6>1.0

Great news for ONT! Always nice to see them doing well.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

AS MMH-SJC DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 1.0>0.5 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 0.3>0.2

I would imagine UAX's new SFO-MMH has had quite the negative impact on this one...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS SEA-HNL DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 3>4 MAR 2>3

Very impressive!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 FLL-SDQ NOV 0.6>0.7

This frequency seems quite low, for a seemingly popular VFR route. Is NK not alone in its struggles from FLL?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 JFK-AUA JAN 2.0>3
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 JFK-KIN DEC 1.0>1.5
B6 JFK-PUJ NOV 1.0>1.2
B6 JFK-STI DEC 5>6

Looks like the Caribbean stations - both old and new - continue to do well. At least, from JFK  .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Delayed restart or gone?
*DL ATL-SVO MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.7>0
*DL ATL-TLV MAR 0.1>0 APR 0.6>0

Probably just delayed. Transatlantic travel really doesn't start to take off til the summer period, March and April are probably still slow enough where JFK can handle everybody headed on DL to SVO and TLV.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Cuts resume at CVG, except a one month addition to SFO.
*DL CVG-CUN OCT 0.2>0 APR 0.1>0
*DL CVG-DEN FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 1.8>1.0
*DL CVG-MDT JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>0.9
*DL CVG-MSP FEB 8>7 MAR 7>6

I would certainly think relatively distant spokes like DEN and small ones like MDT are among the next to get cut from CVG. It tooks several years to fully dehub PIT, STL, and even LAS - I don't expect CVG to be any different.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-ARN MAR 0.3>0 APR 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-CPH MAR 0.3>0 APR 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-MAN MAR 0.3>0 APR 1.0>0
*DL JFK-TXL MAR 0.3>0 APR 1.0>0

Looks like transatlantic continues to be a dog for DL .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WOW! I guess they have the JV with AZ?
*DL JFK-FCO NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0.3

I suppose, but AZ still has a rather nasty reputation even though things have apparently improved drastically in recent years. Whereas most pax will be more than happy to take AF/KL across the pond (instead of DL), I think more than a few will be upset at having to take the infamous Italian flag carrier...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
So this fixes last week's screw up they apparently made.
*F9 DEN-PHL NOV 0>0.7

Still, a pathetic frequency/presence on the route. Maybe they should just drop it and add MCI-PHL  .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 MCI-HOU NOV 0>1.4 DEC 0>1.5 JAN 0>1.4 FEB 0>1.5 MAR 0>0.8
*F9 MCI-LAS NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9

Let's hope we see more new routes from MCI! It seems to be the only place where F9 is not doing terrible.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Talk about short-lived...
*F9 MCI-LAX NOV 2>0.9 DEC 1.5>0.8
*F9 MCI-LGA NOV 4>3

Hmmmm... Are these cuts due to poor performance, or simply necessary to make room for the new flights?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 is going to love this
*G4 LAS-LGB NOV 0.5>1.4 DEC 0.6>1.7 JAN 0.6>1.5 FEB 0.6>1.6 MAR 0.6>1.6 APR 0.6>1.6

LOL, at this point I think B6 is simply sitting back and laughing at G4's inability to make anything work from LGB. This is just their easiest way to hang on to the slots that can ultimately be used for LGB-Hawaii, and if that doesn't work out, they'll almost certainly pull out of the airport altogether.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
KE ORD-ICN JAN 1.4>1.8 FEB 1.5>1.9 MAR 1.5>1.8

Wow, so the ORD-ICN route is getting close to 3x daily! I never knew it was such a popular route. Perhaps ORD is a candidate for daily A380 service on KE in the near future?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
KE ROR-ICN NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.2

More new service for ROR??? First DL, then JL, and now KE??

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
KE SEA-ICN NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.8 MAR 1.0>0.8

Quite the opposite from ORD - I am surprised to see demand for this route being so low. Maybe KE's refusal to take that sick lady on this route has caused some backlash?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
That's an odd route...
*LA MIA-PUJ JAN 0.1>0.3 FEB 0.1>0.3

Hardly! LA was serving PUJ from MIA long before AA was. As a stopover between MIA and South America, it is a convenient and economical way to get American *and* South American tourists to those resorts in one fell swoop. I imagine there was (and maybe still is) money involved to make the unnecessary stop worth LAN's while.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*US BOS-LAS DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0

Yup, I figured this one would be gone sooner or later! Any idea how long US will keep doing LAS-DFW/SFO/FAT/LAX?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

VC HNL-BNE DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.4
VC HNL-MEL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.4

Is this that new Strategic Airlines?



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineDelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5123 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Delayed restart or gone?
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-SVO MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.7>0
*DL ATL-TLV MAR 0.1>0 APR 0.6>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WOW! I guess they have the JV with AZ?
*DL JFK-FCO NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0.3

ATL-SVO frequency start-up delayed until 01Jun12; will operate 7x weekly on 76U effective 01Jun12 to 27Oct12
ATL-TLV frequency start-up delayed until 01Jun12; will operate 4x weekly on 777 effective 01Jun12 to 27Oct12

JFK-FCO seasonally suspended effective 11Nov11 to 23Mar12 e/b; 12Nov11 to 24Mar12 w/b. Service will restart at 7x weekly on 24Mar12 e/b then seasonally increase from 7x weekly to 14x weekly (76U) effective 01Jun12 to 04Sep12



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7322 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days ago) and read 4802 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Looks like the LCCs aren't the only ones doing well on the transborder leisure routes to Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean!

I would delete Mexico from the list...  
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Funny how this one is working out for AA, while ORD-NAS and LGA-NAS flopped.

Yes, you'd think it would be better from the NE. They may have a deal with Funjet.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Huh? AA has been growing in Mexico, especially to the secondary markets as Eagle has started service to quite a few lately. They have virtually no history at ZIH, and seeing as how (PM)UA quietly pulled out after a few seasons of DEN/LAX-ZIH, it wouldn't shock me if AA followed suit. After all, the state of Guerrero isn't the most peaceful place in Mexico right now...

I should have said "leisure Mexico". Those secondary markets like MZT/ZIH/HUX/ACA are really losing service. CZM and PVR aren't doing that great either.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
This frequency seems quite low, for a seemingly popular VFR route. Is NK not alone in its struggles from FLL?

Hurricane season I suspect

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
I would certainly think relatively distant spokes like DEN and small ones like MDT are among the next to get cut from CVG. It tooks several years to fully dehub PIT, STL, and even LAS - I don't expect CVG to be any different.

Agreed. BUT DL will need a lot of planes for the DL/US slot swap.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Looks like transatlantic continues to be a dog for DL .

Sadly true...

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Still, a pathetic frequency/presence on the route. Maybe they should just drop it and add MCI-PHL

I agree, it must be awful to make it non-daily. I'm not surprised it is awful. I wasn't even surprised with a temporary suspension.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Let's hope we see more new routes from MCI! It seems to be the only place where F9 is not doing terrible.

It is a refuge. They'd rather compete with DL than WN.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Hmmmm... Are these cuts due to poor performance, or simply necessary to make room for the new flights?

I think the latter. They don't appear to have planned these new flights very far in advance.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
This is just their easiest way to hang on to the slots that can ultimately be used for LGB-Hawaii, and if that doesn't work out, they'll almost certainly pull out of the airport altogether.

Perhaps. Good point.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
KE SEA-ICN NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.8 MAR 1.0>0.8
Quite the opposite from ORD - I am surprised to see demand for this route being so low. Maybe KE's refusal to take that sick lady on this route has caused some backlash?

SEA is just a grim market in the Winter to anywhere but California/Vegas/Hawaii.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Yup, I figured this one would be gone sooner or later! Any idea how long US will keep doing LAS-DFW/SFO/FAT/LAX?

DFW=2014. LOL

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

VC HNL-BNE DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.4
VC HNL-MEL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.4

Is this that new Strategic Airlines?

Because the U.S.-Australia market was desperately in need of more capacity.  
Quoting Delta2ual (Reply 10):
ATL-SVO frequency start-up delayed until 01Jun12; will operate 7x weekly on 76U effective 01Jun12 to 27Oct12
ATL-TLV frequency start-up delayed until 01Jun12; will operate 4x weekly on 777 effective 01Jun12 to 27Oct12
Quoting Delta2ual (Reply 10):
JFK-FCO seasonally suspended effective 11Nov11 to 23Mar12 e/b; 12Nov11 to 24Mar12 w/b. Service will restart at 7x weekly on 24Mar12 e/b then seasonally increase from 7x weekly to 14x weekly (76U) effective 01Jun12 to 04Sep12

Has JFK-FCO been seasonal before? That is just amazing given the alliance, but again I guess the JV allows it. The SVO/TLV delay is really long, 90 days.  


User currently offlineDelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4744 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
Has JFK-FCO been seasonal before? That is just amazing given the alliance, but again I guess the JV allows it. The SVO/TLV delay is really long, 90 days.  

That, I don't know. I do know that DL is more aggressive than ever with day-of-the-week cancellations, seasonal starts/stops, and delaying service. The network planning bulletins are much longer than they used to be. I think the JV has something to do with it. I also think the seasonal changes, which used to be in bulk and on April 1, June 1, October 1, and December 1 are just no more. Now, each route is examined and scheduled independently. I think it makes things much more confusing.



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7322 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

Quoting Delta2ual (Reply 12):
That, I don't know. I do know that DL is more aggressive than ever with day-of-the-week cancellations, seasonal starts/stops, and delaying service. The network planning bulletins are much longer than they used to be. I think the JV has something to do with it. I also think the seasonal changes, which used to be in bulk and on April 1, June 1, October 1, and December 1 are just no more. Now, each route is examined and scheduled independently. I think it makes things much more confusing.

Well, they get credit for being more optimized. That's one of the reasons DL is doing so much better than AA who still does almost none of that stuff. So, I get the reason, but it is hard on customers and employees with so many changes. There could be a reaccom backlash at some point.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7650 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
Well, they get credit for being more optimized. That's one of the reasons DL is doing so much better than AA who still does almost none of that stuff. So, I get the reason, but it is hard on customers and employees with so many changes. There could be a reaccom backlash at some point.

DL has become much more aggresive at optimizing their schedule against cyclical, seasonal, and day-of-week demand - really trying to get the right balance of capacity vs. demand at appropriate yields. Evidence of this has been their 87-88% domestic load factor. They run very complex alogrithms to use to manage the number of seats through different aircraft types and do day-of-the-week cancellations where appropriate.

Considering how far out they make most of these changes, most between 3-6 months out there should be minimal backlash. The majority of bookings for domestic flights is less than 4 weeks out. International is a little bit farther out, but its the risk of booking flights so far in advance. Some people actually use this to their advantage, buying a cheap fare on a less-than-optimal routing, then using the schedule changes to get their way on to a more desirable routing (the one they wanted in the first place but didn't want to pay for).

The one that annoyed customers more were the close-in schedule changes that moved flight times by a few minutes or changed the flight numbers or aircraft types. Customers were getting bumped from exit rows, losing aisle seats, or getting blown connections because of subtle close in changes. Some of that was airlines trying to game the DOT on-time reporting stats by continually changing flight numbers however the DOT changed their rules by now aggregating stats by flights that are within the same timeframe (30-60 minute window).

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL CVG-CUN OCT 0.2>0 APR 0.1>0
*DL CVG-DEN FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 1.8>1.0
*DL CVG-MDT JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>0.9
*DL CVG-MSP FEB 8>7 MAR 7>6
DL CVG-SFO MAR 1.0>2

These really are not new or significant "cuts" for CVG:
CUN - this Saturday only/seasonal route is more or less like glorfied charter service, they just trimmed the operating season for this saturday only service to end in March
DEN - was already reduced just recently to 1 per day, so they are just extending out the schedule here
MDT - that one is a new reduction - so the loss of 1 daily CRJ flight
MSP - this route is going from 1x CR9 & 6-7x CRJ to 3x CR9 & 3x CRJ so essentially no net loss in seats
SFO - this one is currently at 2x per day, and was already planned to go to 1x per day in December, so looks like this is going to be a seasonal thing.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-AMS MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
DL DTW-AVL JAN 2>1.1 FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
DL DTW-BHM JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
DL DTW-BMI JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.4
DL DTW-BNA JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6
DL DTW-CHS FEB 4>3 MAR 3>2
DL DTW-CLE JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
DL DTW-CVG FEB 8>7 MAR 7>6
DL DTW-GRR JAN 9>8 FEB 10>8 MAR 9>8
DL DTW-LAN FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6
DL DTW-MBS JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6
DL DTW-MHT JAN 5>4
DL DTW-MQT FEB 4>3 MAR 3>2
DL DTW-PVD MAR 7>6
DL DTW-ROA JAN 2>1.1 FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
DL DTW-SAV JAN 2>1.1 FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
DL DTW-SBN JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
DL DTW-TVC JAN 6>5 FEB 6>4 MAR 6>5
DL DTW-TYS JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
DL DTW-YQB JAN 2>1.1 FEB 3>1.0
Quoting ScottB (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Cuts resume at CVG, except a one month addition to SFO.

There are heavy cuts at DTW too, so I'd chalk these up to seasonal pruning for now. I do think that CVG and MEM are both done once the LGA slot swap goes forward.
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MSP-AMS MAR 2>3 APR 2>3
DL MSP-OMA JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6
DL MSP-PDX MAR 3>4
DL MSP-PHX MAR 6>7
DL MSP-SAN MAR 3>4
DL MSP-SFO JAN 5>4 FEB 6>4 MAR 5>4
DL MSP-TUL JAN 2>1.1 FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
DL MSP-YUL JAN 2>1.1 FEB 3>1.0
DL MSP-YVR FEB 4>3
DL MSP-YYC FEB 4>3 MAR 3>2

Almost everything listed for DTW & MSP look like normal seasonal reductions and adjustments. More or less like the schedule they operated last winter.


User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4502 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Yup, I figured this one would be gone sooner or later! Any idea how long US will keep doing LAS-DFW/SFO/FAT/LAX?

DFW=2014. LOL

LAS-DFW/LAX/SFO might not even last that long depending on the impact of NK in these markets (LAS-OAK for LAS-SFO). I'm amazed LAS-FAT has stuck around, but I suppose it must still make money.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
It seems like quite a few of these smaller ZX (Air Georgian) markets are on the chopping block these days. I guess places like ABE, MDT, and ROC need not worry only about FL/WN leaving but also their sole nonstop international service...

One or two Beeches a day just aren't going to work to markets which are within a couple of hours of major airports (i.e. MHT/MDT) or within a reasonable driving distance of Toronto. Especially with that wretched little satellite terminal they use for the transborder props at YYZ.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7322 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4442 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 14):
Considering how far out they make most of these changes, most between 3-6 months out there should be minimal backlash. The majority of bookings for domestic flights is less than 4 weeks out. International is a little bit farther out, but its the risk of booking flights so far in advance.

I met a lot of passengers who were very unhappy by some of the Atlantic schedule changes they did for this Summer. Atlantic/Pacific often books very far in advance, particularly Summer season.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 14):
Almost everything listed for DTW & MSP look like normal seasonal reductions and adjustments. More or less like the schedule they operated last winter.

Agreed. I do think it will be interesting to see how they fund the LGA build-up.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 15):
LAS-DFW/LAX/SFO might not even last that long depending on the impact of NK in these markets (LAS-OAK for LAS-SFO). I'm amazed LAS-FAT has stuck around, but I suppose it must still make money.

Yes, all oddballs. They will die at some point.


User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 16):
Yes, all oddballs. They will die at some point.

IMO, what has kept some of the LAS stuff around has been the need to keep West crews/aircraft utilized while there's been no growth at PHX to counterbalance the pull-down of LAS.


User currently offlineGullAirACK From Ireland, joined Feb 2011, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Quoting Delta2ual (Reply 12):
I do know that DL is more aggressive than ever with day-of-the-week cancellations, seasonal starts/stops, and delaying service.



For an airline trying to build a strong Corporate portfolio in the face of increased competition, inconsistent seasonal withdrawals to major international destinations won't sell corporate deals. If they secured any recent ones, this will certainly anger the procurement managers that signed them. I think day of week cancellations are easy to bear. They can be managed by travel agencies and managers. Complete service withdrawals may be a short term fix, but it costs dearly in the long term.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-CDG MAR 1.7>2 APR 1.0>2
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-AMS MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MSP-AMS MAR 2>3 APR 2>3

Interesting adds. Anyone have a take on it?

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
DL 1.0x 753
HA 1.5x 763
AS 3.0x 73H

Glad to see AS leading on this route. Good for them.

Quoting GullAirACK (Reply 18):
For an airline trying to build a strong Corporate portfolio in the face of increased competition, inconsistent seasonal withdrawals to major international destinations won't sell corporate deals. If they secured any recent ones, this will certainly anger the procurement managers that signed them. I think day of week cancellations are easy to bear. They can be managed by travel agencies and managers. Complete service withdrawals may be a short term fix, but it costs dearly in the long term.

Contracts or not, red ink is red ink. In the end, they have to make money to keep said customers happy. Also, you'll be surprised as to how much info is shared with top heavy clients before-hand. Trust me, some of this isn't catching them with their pants down.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 17):
IMO, what has kept some of the LAS stuff around has been the need to keep West crews/aircraft utilized while there's been no growth at PHX to counterbalance the pull-down of LAS.

Keep in mind that most of the LAS flights were based on O&D. Therefore, it was never in the cards to offset any significant amount of traffic from LAS to PHX (especially when considering LAS had a lot of red eye flights).

Quoting ScottB (Reply 5):
There are heavy cuts at DTW too, so I'd chalk these up to seasonal pruning for now. I do think that CVG and MEM are both done once the LGA slot swap goes forward.

CVG and MEM were both done once the merger was announced. The notion of a "reliever hub" is great material for press releases and to sway public opinion in favor of a merger. However, reliever hubs do not work in reality.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):

I would certainly think relatively distant spokes like DEN and small ones like MDT are among the next to get cut from CVG. It tooks several years to fully dehub PIT, STL, and even LAS - I don't expect CVG to be any different.

  

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-ARN MAR 0.3>0 APR 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-CPH MAR 0.3>0 APR 1.0>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-MAN MAR 0.3>0 APR 1.0>0
*DL JFK-TXL MAR 0.3>0 APR 1.0>0

Looks like transatlantic continues to be a dog for DL .

And I believe more TATL cuts are on the way. DL's heavy exposure to Europe during a time of European economic uncertainty is starting to have an impact on its TATL flights to more niche markets.

Even though the Euro exchange rate versus the USD is favorable, an impending European economic slowdown means visitors take vacations closer to home and businesses cut back on travel.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3151 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3911 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-CDG MAR 1.7>2 APR 1.0>2
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-AMS MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MSP-AMS MAR 2>3 APR 2>3

Interesting adds. Anyone have a take on it?

Thus far, DL seems to be keeping CVG-CDG and MEM-AMS. Hopefully that will continue. Like PDX, they are mid-size cities that can probably support 1 flight a day, or less than daily, to a major partner hub in Europe.

Quoting EricR (Reply 20):
The notion of a "reliever hub" is great material for press releases and to sway public opinion in favor of a merger. However, reliever hubs do not work in reality.

Yeah, I hear you. One time I was fly AA from TUL-DFW-SEA on business (guess who I was visiting in TUL...). The DFW flight was cancelled and they re-routed me through STL - TUL-STL-SEA. I liked the STL connection, and the ex-TWA flights, so from then on I actually requested to connect at STL when flying to ICT and TUL. Can't do that anymore...... STL was a great reliever hub to DFW but that's long gone.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 21):
Thus far, DL seems to be keeping CVG-CDG and MEM-AMS. Hopefully that will continue. Like PDX, they are mid-size cities that can probably support 1 flight a day, or less than daily, to a major partner hub in Europe.

I'm not too sure about MEM. That entire "hub" now survives on well-timed banks. I've sat in MEM for 4 hours one time and there are clear peaks and valleys unlike say SLC. The place was a ghost town, then everything comes in and goes back out within 1.5 - 2 hours. I'm not too sure that AMS will survive if/when more cuts come to Memphis. All of those pax can be easily routed through ATL. I'm not going to pretend to know the numbers but unless there's a very healthy local market for AMS and onward travel through Europe, I don't think it will last.



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7322 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 17):
IMO, what has kept some of the LAS stuff around has been the need to keep West crews/aircraft utilized while there's been no growth at PHX to counterbalance the pull-down of LAS.

Does US have more minimum mainline flying requirements in their pilot contract? That could be involved. Is that your point?

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-CDG MAR 1.7>2 APR 1.0>2
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-AMS MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MSP-AMS MAR 2>3 APR 2>3
Interesting adds. Anyone have a take on it?

They are cutting so many other routes, I think they had to tick up the hub to hub routes to absorb all the displaced passengers.

Quoting EricR (Reply 20):
However, reliever hubs do not work in reality.

Agreed. I see you also ignored the free Kool Aid handed out during merger approval.

Quoting EricR (Reply 20):
And I believe more TATL cuts are on the way. DL's heavy exposure to Europe during a time of European economic uncertainty is starting to have an impact on its TATL flights to more niche markets.

I'm not sure if there will be more, but I think your point that the Eurozone is weakening and it will hurt travel is probably very true.


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):

I don't imagine SFO-MMH UAX had much effect on QX service. The UAX loads were awful, and we have not heard anything about this flight returning.



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25 FlyASAGuy2005 : Me too. This was announced months ago although what would be cut/axed was a mystery. These are deep cuts coupled with what was already announced but
26 enilria : Well, they must have planes in mothballs all over the place from all these cuts. It is pretty easy to justify flying them somewhere else versus sitti
27 FlyASAGuy2005 : That's another thing that no one has addressed. Where will they park all the 763ERs? The fleet was highly utilized before, with enough slack for MTC,
28 ScottB : It's not about serving traffic, it's due to the inability to combine the East and West pilot groups six years after the merger. I'm skeptical that a
29 EricR : I guess I am not following you here. How would this be an issue? PHX still operates as a hub even though the pilot groups are still divided up. If yo
30 HPRamper : I'm confused as to where anyone started talking about why LAS closed. The subject at hand is what to do with the West crews after the LAS pulldown. E
31 Flyguy89 : Isn't MEM-AMS already scheduled to go down to 4x or 5x weekly for the winter?
32 PSU.DTW.SCE : These are all typical seasonal restorations. No new net service here versus 2011 or 2010. They may have adjusted the start dates up slightly but no d
33 enilria : Mojave? yes, it is clearly weakened by the hub shrinking. I think the point is what spurred them to tick up the resumption dates. IMHO it is pretty c
34 RJLover : The "East Beach" (as it was nicknamed) is no longer in use. The ZX Beech 1900's (plus other regional T/B aircraft) use a new section of the Transbord
35 mariner : Since something similar happened this time last year, I am really not sure what the issue is. mariner
36 ScottB : Good to hear. That was the worst part of nasty old Terminal 2, and it was disappointing that it remained in use for so long. HPRamper has it right; t
37 FlyASAGuy2005 : Will be interesting to see those Citgo tails parked. Can anyone take a hack at how many ERs they actaully need for the currently/future flying, thus
38 EricR : If there is a contractual requirement for minimum fleet or flight hours, then they must have been well above that requirement prior to the drawdown o
39 enilria : I can only tell you the ASM change. It is 18.1 million ASM/s day on the 763 in July and 12.4 in September. It goes back up to 13.6 in October and fal
40 WA707atMSP : DL did this to me last week. The day before I was due to fly MSP-DTW, DL switched the equipment from a 757-251 to a 757-232. Even though the -251s an
41 Post contains images commavia : It will be interesting to see how the global economic condition impacts Delta. Delta is the most exposed of the U.S. carriers to Europe, which is doi
42 enilria : Are you sure? I'm surprised Latin hasn't pulled ahead of Asia. Japan has negative GDP already.
43 commavia : At the macro level, I believe the economic output of the Pacific rim is still the strongest-growing of any major world region. Japan's economy is bas
44 enilria : Well, to factor in another piece of the equation...China capacity is unconstrained at the moment. There are unused authorities. South America is more
45 HPRamper : That's why we mentioned West crews flying formerly East routes via PHX, meaning West was not necessarily above their contractual requirement. We have
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