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AeroMexico Applies For GDL-LAS, ZCL-ORD  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Aerovias de Mexico, S.A. de C.V. dba AeroMexico has applied with the DOT for extra-bilateral rights to commence service between both Guadalajara and Las Vegas, along with Zacatecas and Chicago.

The requested authorities currently reside with Mexicana whose estate is under the jurisdiction of Mexican bankruptcy authorities. As of August 2 2011, AeroMexico was authorized by the Mexican DGAC to service the routes on conditional basis.

Carrier proposes to service both markets utilizing 737 equipment.

OST-2011-TBA


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User currently offlinelke2fly From United States of America, joined May 2011, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1746 times:

LAXintl I have a question do you know if Aeromexico took over the direct fights from LAX to Zacatecas which was once held by Mexicana Airlines?

User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3047 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

Interesting moves by AM. I wonder if this will force Volaris to finally open MDW-ZCL and Viva LAS-GDL since both have authority to fly those routes respectively. Viva announced MDW-MTY three weeks after Y4 was granted the extrabilateral on the route.

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2897 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1512 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Guadalajara and Las Vegas

Well, once again, AM has given the competition (in this case, Y4) ample time to get established on a route that it has now decided to start in the wake of MX's demise.

I'm not quite sure what to think about this. On one hand, I doubt AM would be adding another new GDL-U.S. route if the most recent additions (GDL-FAT, GDL-SFO, and GDL-SMF) weren't doing well - or at the very least showing some signs of promise. In relative terms, it won't cost AM much to link together a GDL secondary hub with several transborder flights to their existing station of LAS. On the other hand, I recently read on the Mexican Aviation thread that AM's overall U.S. route network was *NOT* profitable. If that is true, perhaps the airline should be focused on core business routes (i.e. MEX-LAX, MEX-JFK) rather than battling an LCC.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Zacatecas and Chicago

I do remember this being a pretty big MX route. In fact, ORD was quite the little "focus city" for MX, in the sense that they flew nonstop not just to the usual GDL and MEX but a variety of smaller spokes as well. According to wikipedia, the only transborder route from ZCL is Y4's relatively new LAX flight. I'm surprised that, for such a seemingly major/important transborder market, there isn't even a UA/CO service to IAH!

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
The requested authorities currently reside with Mexicana whose estate is under the jurisdiction of Mexican bankruptcy authorities. As of August 2 2011, AeroMexico was authorized by the Mexican DGAC to service the routes on conditional basis.

Anybody know what could happen if (when?) MX is finally liquidated and its various highly coveted Mexico-U.S. route authorities become fair game? I can imagine the extrabilateral operators will be happy to argue that the permanent (MX) authorities be automatically transferred, but I highly doubt that will be allowed...

Also, did the DOT ever reply back to AA's application for an extrabilateral JFK-MEX route authority? Interested to see what they say to that one...



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User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 990 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

ZCL-ORD is an old MX route, which they had for many years and often flew in the dead of night. Does anyone know why ORD ended up getting so many MX redeyes to Mexico instead of a fuller daytime schedule? What about the other cities in MX? Will anyone pick up BJX-ORD?

User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7617 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3):
AM has given the competition (in this case, Y4) ample time to get established on a route that it has now decided to start

Sadly you are right. Let's hope they do well.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3):
I doubt AM would be adding another new GDL-U.S. route if the most recent additions (GDL-FAT, GDL-SFO, and GDL-SMF) weren't doing well - or at the very least showing some signs of promise.

Not sure about SFO, but I believe AM was doing well to FAT, at least in terms of loads. I had no idea they were serving SMF.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3):
AM's overall U.S. route network was *NOT* profitable. If that is true, perhaps the airline should be focused on core business routes (i.e. MEX-LAX, MEX-JFK) rather than battling an LCC.

True. However, the revenue has grown a lot from a year earlier, and the losses have narrowed significantly. I think AM is within grasp of breakeven point and hopefully profit in a few more quarters.

Funnily, though, I think there is more chance to make a profit at, say, GDL-FAT, than MEX-JFK. MEX-JFK is too competitive. Same could be said for MEX-LAX. That is just my opinion though.



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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3047 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 4):
ZCL-ORD is an old MX route, which they had for many years and often flew in the dead of night. Does anyone know why ORD ended up getting so many MX redeyes to Mexico instead of a fuller daytime schedule? What about the other cities in MX? Will anyone pick up BJX-ORD?

No clue when ORD ended up getting a lot of redeyes. I believe most ended up being flown during the last three years of MX's operations. ZCL-ORD was operated at different times of the day until they settled for a redeye, which I assume was working well for them. At the moment no one has picked up BJX-ORD. AM is sort of operating that route but with a stop in MTY, which MX used to do. BJX-ORD was a seasonal route for MX operating during the summer and around Christmas time. Another route not being flown is MLM-Chicago. Volaris has rights to fly MLM-MDW but hasn't stated when this will be opened. In their application Y4 said it would open the route immediately after receiving approval just like ZCL-MDW and nothing has been done.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Carrier proposes to service both markets utilizing 737 equipment.

Aeromexico should throw the E-190s on ZCL-ORD just like they do with ORD-DGO and ORD-MTY-BJX.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3):
Also, did the DOT ever reply back to AA's application for an extrabilateral JFK-MEX route authority? Interested to see what they say to that one...

They haven't replied to their request which seems to be taking a bit.


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