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Delta W11 European Reductions Update  
User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 634 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9324 times:

As per 20AUG11 GDS timetable display, List of DELTA’s Winter 2011/12 European Service Reduction as follows.

Additional changes remain possible:

Atlanta – Brussels 30OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly, Boeing 767-300ER operating
Atlanta – Dublin 30OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly, Boeing 767-300ER operating
Atlanta – Madrid 30OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly, Boeing 767-300ER operating
Atlanta – Manchester 30OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly, Boeing 767-300ER operating
Atlanta – Stuttgart 30OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly, Boeing 767-300ER operating
New York JFK – Rome
25SEP11 – 28OCT11 Boeing 767-300ER replace Airbus A330-300
29OCT11 – 23MAR12 Service CANCELLED

Previously mentioned Trans-Atlantic Changes:
Atlanta – Amsterdam Airbus A330-300 continues operation in W11, same as W10. Service extends to Mumbai
Atlanta – Barcelona 5 weekly 767-300ER service (previously planned Daily)
Atlanta – Dusseldorf 30OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly, Boeing 767-300ER operating
Atlanta – London Gatwick
01OCT11 – 29OCT11 Reduce from Daily to 6 weekly
30OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly

Atlanta – Milan Malpensa Winter operation reduced from 5 weekly in W10 to 4 weekly in W11
Atlanta – Moscow Sheremetyevo 02SEP11 – 24MAR12 Service Cancelled
Atlanta – Munich Boeing 767-400ER continues operation in W11
Atlanta – Paris CDG DELTA operating 2 Daily while Skyteam member AIRFRANCE operates 1 Daily, same as W10
Atlanta – Rome Planned A330-200 service from 30OCT11 to 04JAN12 canceled. Service operates with 767-300ER for entire Winter 2011
Atlanta – Zurich 29OCT11 – 23MAR12 Service Reduction from Daily to 5 weekly (Previous was 6 weekly), except 19DEC11 – 25DEC11 and 01JAN12 – 08JAN12
Boston – London Heathrow Boeing 767-400ER continues operation in W11, previously planned to be replaced by -300ER
Chicago – Paris CDG 5 weekly 767-300ER service, replace AIRFRANCE A330-200
Detroit – Amsterdam DL248/249 operates with Boeing 767-300ER, replace planned A330-300 (A330-200 in W10). Overall service is 2 Daily A330-300 and 1 Daily 767-300ER
Memphis – Amsterdam 03OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 4 weekly. 767-300ER operating
Newark – Amsterdam 29OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly
New York JFK – Amsterdam Boeing 767-300ER continues operating in W11 (A330-200 in W10)
New York JFK – Athens 30OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly, Boeing 767-300ER operating
New York JFK – Barcelona 30OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly, Boeing 767-300ER operating
New York JFK – Berlin Tegel 03SEP11 – 23MAR12 Service Cancelled
New York JFK – Brussels Boeing 767-300ER replace 757-200 in W10
New York JFK – Copenhagen 12SEP11 – 23MAR12 Service Cancelled
New York JFK – Dublin Winter service operates with Boeing 757, previously planned 767 cancelled (757 in W10)
New York JFK – Frankfurt 30OCT11 – 03JAN12 Boeing 767-300ER operating, replace 757
New York JFK – Madrid 30OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly, Boeing 767-300ER operating
New York JFK – Manchester 10SEP11 – 23MAR12 Service Cancelled
New York JFK – Milan Boeing 767-400ER operates Daily service in W11, compared to A330-200 in W10
New York JFK – Moscow Sheremetyevo Boeing 767-400ER replace -300ER (-300ER in W10)
New York JFK – Nice
29OCT11 – 08JAN12 Reduce from Daily to 4 weekly
09JAN12 – 23MAR12 CANCELLED

New York JFK – Prague Winter season operates 5 weekly, same as W10 (previously planned Daily)
New York JFK – Shannon Winter service CANCELLED (4 weekly 757 in W10)
New York JFK – Stockholm 06SEP11 – 23MAR12 Service Cancelled
Philadelphia – Paris CDG 01SEP11 – 23MAR12 Service Cancelled
Pittsburgh – Paris CDG 28OCT11 – 23MAR12 Service Cancelled
Portland OR – Amsterdam 01OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly
Salt Lake City – Paris CDG 01NOV11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 5 weekly, same as W10 (Previously planned Daily)


What a shame. This is a huge reduction. What will happen to all those free 767's?


avi8
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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9257 times:

Good point, also looks less likely my freshly painted and elusive stored N173DN will ever return to service.

User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1832 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9259 times:

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
What a shame. This is a huge reduction.

It's not a shame. It's a business decision based on the market. It's true that it's the biggest shrink among the transatlantic alliances, at the moment. OW and *A have also announced significant transatlantic reductions but not as important. But with the oil price and the current state of economy, I believe the worst is still ahead of us and DL/AF/KL/AZ will have taken the right decisions on-time. I'm sure we'll see more reductions from AA/IB/BA and LH/UA/CO/AC in the coming weeks or months.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3392 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9170 times:

"But with the oil price and the current state of economy, I believe the worst is still ahead of us and DL/AF/KL/AZ will have taken the right decisions on-time. I'm sure we'll see more reductions from AA/IB/BA and LH/UA/CO/AC in the coming weeks or months."

Economy, yes. Oil, while volatile, no.

Many people take a theme an run with it. 6 months ago when Delta announced these plans, oil was climbing over $100 a barrel. That is nowhere near the case today.

This is a huge pullback by Delta and a huge blow to their transatlantic expansion strategy that started a few years ago. It will likely cause them slots at JFK as other carriers such as B6 and AA look to add flights.


User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9106 times:

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
What will happen to all those free 767's?

Perfect opportunity to get them refitted with the new interiors in time for next summer season!

The cutbacks were inevitable given the detiorating economic picture and slow winter season. It's actually good to see airlines managing capacity to control revenue and not chase market share. Less bargains for travellers but more stability in the long term for the airline.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8939 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 2):
It's not a shame.

From an aviation fan's perspective, it certainly is.   

Quoting goldorak (Reply 2):
It's a business decision based on the market.

This I agree with..  

Quoting goldorak (Reply 2):
, at the moment. OW and *A have also announced significant transatlantic reductions

Could you point out the "significant transatlantic reductions" by the aforementioned alliances please (I'm genuinely curious). Thanks.



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlinecgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1145 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8849 times:

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
Philadelphia – Paris CDG 01SEP11 – 23MAR12 Service Cancelled

Any chance AF will come backt o PHL? Would really love to be back on one of their A330s.



A330 man.
User currently offlineDelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8800 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
Quoting goldorak (Reply 2):
, at the moment. OW and *A have also announced significant transatlantic reductions

Could you point out the "significant transatlantic reductions" by the aforementioned alliances please (I'm genuinely curious). Thanks.

I certainly wouldn't call the other cuts "significant" (I wish I had the data for each alliance-but I'm too lazy to find it). As Commavia (I think) pointed out in another thread, DL is the most vulnerable to the EU financial situation, simply based on their portfolio. DL, and their partners, were quick to make these cuts starting many months ago. Conversely, DL has great flexibility now to use this "down time" to address a/c mods that are ongoing, which will make their product more competitive.
Additionally, it shows how a JV changes the game (good or bad). DL can easily accommodate passengers on their partners flight through their hubs. JFK-ARN, for example, can be served JFK-CDG-ARN or JFK-AMS-ARN. In the days of simple codeshares, this might not make as much sense, but when you pool the revenues, coordinate marketing and schedules, it's much easier to accept.
Plus, F/A's who are notorious for liking time off, are being offered 1 to 6 (and others in between) month leaves. It's great for those with duel incomes or who want to be home for the holidays with the family.

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
What a shame. This is a huge reduction. What will happen to all those free 767's?

See above.



From the world's largest airline-to the world's largest airline. Delta2ual
User currently offlineAv8rDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8519 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 4):
Perfect opportunity to get them refitted with the new interiors in time for next summer season!

Exactly. I would expect a big roll-out of the new 763ER cabin product in the spring and summer of 2012.

One thing that caught my eye was the daily DL 106/DL107 operating JFK-FRA/FRA-JFK has been upgraded to the 763ER from 75E. Is there really that much leisure holiday traffic to NYC from Germany for the economics to work out? I flew this one back in June and it was not full.

Or is that to be the milk run for non-revving to Europe ex-NYC this winter?  



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8448 times:

Quoting Delta2ual (Reply 7):
DL is the most vulnerable to the EU financial situation, simply based on their portfolio.

I agree there. It worked while the Europe was "strong" the past few years but with Greece, Spain, Portugal, etc. and Europe in a "downturn", many of these routes will be affected. Fortunately oil is down $10-$15 dollars off its high.

Quoting Delta2ual (Reply 7):
Additionally, it shows how a JV changes the game (good or bad).

  

Quoting Delta2ual (Reply 7):
I certainly wouldn't call the other cuts "significant" (I wish I had the data for each alliance-but I'm too lazy to find it)

Thanks. I'll certainly be looking out for Commavia's posts. Also, Enrilia has some good stuff as well.



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8403 times:

I don't really consider this a bad thing. DL expanded in Europe and benefited from this expansion when the economic conditions were right. Now that their is some economic uncertainty in Europe (combined with the winter season), it is better to cut the routes than operate them at a loss. When economic conditions turn around, they will be in a good position to add them back (assuming the price of oil is reasonable).

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 3):
Economy, yes. Oil, while volatile, no.

Many people take a theme an run with it. 6 months ago when Delta announced these plans, oil was climbing over $100 a barrel. That is nowhere near the case today.

   Oil closed Friday around $82 per barrel, so this will certainly help the industry as a whole. However, January oil futures are $100+. Unfortunately, the lower price of oil is not enough to offset the negative impacts from the economy at the moment.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8402 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 3):
Many people take a theme an run with it. 6 months ago when Delta announced these plans, oil was climbing over $100 a barrel. That is nowhere near the case today.

Well, I don't know.......DL's latest quote for crude is at about $109 per barrel.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11421 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8362 times:
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Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
What a shame. This is a huge reduction. What will happen to all those free 767's?
Quoting BD338 (Reply 4):
Perfect opportunity to get them refitted with the new interiors in time for next summer season!

Probably will be one of the uses. Other could be like replacing 752 on ATL-BSB as well as some routes to Latin America, where demand is stronger during IATA winter season.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8340 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 11):

Well, I don't know.......DL's latest quote for crude is at about $109 per barrel.

The oil price they quoted was probably for their most recent fiscal quarter. The price of oil dropped significantly over the past month. Also, there is some "noise" in the fuel costs quoted by the airlines including hedging costs.

[Edited 2011-08-20 08:21:21]

User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 751 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8277 times:

Forget the 767s. What are they going to do with all the spare 330s? While there are many day-of-week reductions for the 767 fleet, it seems like they are being used to replace 330s on quite a few routes (ATL-BCN,JFK-BCN,JFK-ATH,JFK-FCO,etc) as well as the two upgauges from 757s (JFK-BRU and JFK-FRA). It seems to me that the fleet with the most slack should be the 330s, but interior upgrades aren't supposed to happen for a few years yet, right?


SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8152 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 13):
The oil price they quoted was probably for their most recent fiscal quarter. The price of oil dropped significantly over the past month. Also, there is some "noise" in the fuel costs quoted by the airlines including hedging costs.

I don't know what quote they use, but it does vary, minute by minute.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8079 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 3):
Many people take a theme an run with it. 6 months ago when Delta announced these plans, oil was climbing over $100 a barrel. That is nowhere near the case today.

Might I suggest that you take a look at how Jet A prices have trended over the last six months. While oil prices have fallen (and futures are still much higher than they are for next month as other have noted), the crackspread, or the difference between the price of crude oil and Jet A, has grown meaning that Jet A prices are not falling at anywhere near the same rate as crude is.

http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/economi...nitor/pages/price_development.aspx

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 3):
It will likely cause them slots at JFK as other carriers such as B6 and AA look to add flights.

Care to make a bet on this one?

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 6):

Any chance AF will come backt o PHL? Would really love to be back on one of their A330s.

Not very likely in the near term if you ask me. The route was downgraded to a B757 operated by JV partner DL during the peak season and now it is being seasonally discontinued for the first time in many years (or possibly ever) so I doubt jumping right back onto a route with an airplane that large doesn't sound like the logical choice to me.


User currently offlinelucky777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7701 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 13):
The oil price they quoted was probably for their most recent fiscal quarter. The price of oil dropped significantly over the past month. Also, there is some "noise" in the fuel costs quoted by the airlines including hedging costs

Actually Delta now uses Brent as the standard for oil (which is sitting at $110 a barrel right now) versus West Texas Intermediate which is around $82.....so your wrong on all accounts.


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7660 times:

Delta uses the Brent Crude index on DeltaNet, not Light Sweet or whatever it is that we see on other sites. They explained why they do this in a post from last week or so. I think it has something to do with the difference in refining methods for jet fuel as opposed to auto fuel, and that accounts for the extra price. I'll have to re-read it and find out for sure, but I do know that the index used by DL and the index used by other sites (Yahoo Finance, Bloomberg, etc) is different.

Edit: The former index was the West Texas Intermediate index. The reason is that the Brent index more accurately reflects world oil prices, not just those we have here. Since DL is a global airline, they wanted to reflect global prices and not just those here. Hope that helps.

[Edited 2011-08-20 09:55:27]

User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7417 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 18):

Thanks......I knew it was something like that, but I didn't know the particulars. The day they switched on DeltaNet, it scared the crap out of me because it looked like it jumped from about $90 something to over $110.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 751 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7410 times:

Anyone know where all the spare 333s will be going?

As far as I can tell the only 333 TATL routes for the winter will be:

SEA-AMS
MSP-AMS
DTW-AMS x 2
ATL-CDG
ATL-AMS
BOS-AMS

They will also be on:

AMS-BOM
ATL-HNL
SEA-NRT
NRT-HNL
NRT-PVG
NRT-BKK

The 332s will be on:

LAX-NRT
NRT-TPE
LAX-HND
LAX-ATL
ATL-LOS
ATL-ACC-ROB

Seems like both types will have a lot of slack...



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7190 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 17):
Quoting EricR (Reply 13):
The oil price they quoted was probably for their most recent fiscal quarter. The price of oil dropped significantly over the past month. Also, there is some "noise" in the fuel costs quoted by the airlines including hedging costs

Actually Delta now uses Brent as the standard for oil (which is sitting at $110 a barrel right now) versus West Texas Intermediate which is around $82.....so your wrong on all accounts.

Really? Brent as well as WTI decreased over the past month which is the main point, so I am not sure how you believe this is wrong.

Also, airlines purchase fuel for their operations (not oil). When airlines purchase fuel, they do not specify that they want to purchase it from Brent or WTI because Brent and WTI are not oil companies that refine oil into fuel.

Brent vs. WTI are exchanges where companies can purchase contracts to acquire oil at a certain price (hedging). Airlines use Brent or WTI to hedge against oil swings which directly impact fuel prices, they do not buy physical oil from the exchange and refine the oil themselves.

Airlines purchase fuel from oil companies who have purchased the oil at certain prices, refine it, and then sell it to airlines at the market rate. The hedging activities help offset the market rates of the fuel that they purchase from the oil companies.


User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6777 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 3):
This is a huge pullback by Delta and a huge blow to their transatlantic expansion strategy that started a few years ago.

"Huge", "Blow", "Delta", I would replace by: "Significant", "Economic Adjustment", "SkyTeam".

Time will tell but me thinks this is a very wise adjustment to an economy that is in the tank AGAIN...

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 3):
It will likely cause them slots at JFK as other carriers such as B6 and AA look to add flights.

This makes no sense whatsoever. From different angles actually...

[Edited 2011-08-20 12:00:46]


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User currently offlineFlyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1902 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6675 times:

Wow, this is quite the draw-down! Some of them aren't surprising though, the very seasonal destinations like MAD, DUB, ATH, NCE, BCN, and FCO (which can still be served through their j/v with Alitalia) aren't as big a shock as some of these more business-orient cities like BRU, MAN, STR, and ZRH.

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
Chicago – Paris CDG 5 weekly 767-300ER service, replace AIRFRANCE A330-200

Really unfortunate to see AF replaced on what should be a prominent route of theirs.

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
New York JFK – Prague Winter season operates 5 weekly, same as W10 (previously planned Daily)

I would think that with them now being the only carrier on the route and the OK hub on the other end this route would be able to remain daily.

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
Memphis – Amsterdam 03OCT11 – 23MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 4 weekly. 767-300ER operating

Definitely quite the cut in frequency on this route, hope it goes back up to daily in the spring! I'm honestly surprised/relieved CVG-CDG remained untouched.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6358 times:

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
New York JFK – Rome
Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
Atlanta – Moscow Sheremetyevo
Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
New York JFK – Berlin Tegel
Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
New York JFK – Copenhagen
Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
New York JFK – Manchester
Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
New York JFK – Nice
Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):
New York JFK – Stockholm

Are these all Permanent cancellations? Or will these routes be back in S12?

AA1818



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25 delimit : Seasonal. Crap. I am on one of them and was looking forward to Economy Comfort. I wonder when they'll rebook me. The change still hasn't shown up on m
26 jonathanxxxx : Sad to see these go. Especially PIT. Although I really think Delta is starting to realize that Point-to-Point TATL is not that viable sometimes (Alth
27 LAXtoATL : Let me start off by saying this is just an educated guess. But as it pertains to JFK-FCO and JFK-NCE, I expect those are seasonal cuts and will be ba
28 bobnwa : AF/DL (JV) have a major presence in CDG. I would wager that most passengers on the flight originate in Europe. American has 757's and would be able t
29 MAH4546 : OW trans-Atlantic capacity is up 6%, although OW has announced plans to icrease capacity less than the currently planned ~6%. Despite a weak economy,
30 jonathanxxxx : Well yes, although I don't think American would want to start it. Then again BA wouldn't want to start it....
31 XFSUgimpLB41X : Details are key. They changed the index value on DLnet from light sweet crude to brent crude. It is a big difference in value but they believe the br
32 MAH4546 : American, British Airways and Iberia are merged trans-Atlantic. So BA starting it, or AA, it does not matter. In a good economy, PITLHR is a great ro
33 skipness1E : Given BA dropped PIT-LON after years of losses I wonder if that's true.
34 Acey559 : I know what you mean. I was scrambling to figure out why oil had gone up over $10/barrel and couldn't find anything in the news!
35 LHRFlyer : BA also previously pulled out of SAN, but post ATI this route seems to have been a success with load factors in the 80s in the first month.
36 panamair : They are doing exactly this for the winter, but there is a huge difference in FCO summer vs winter traffic, so DL metal on JFK-FCO will be back in th
37 B727FA : Ok, sorry...I realized that the Brent was already covered. Ignore!
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