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Any New Service To DTW?  
User currently offlinedtwmtx330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 30 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4778 times:

In the past years i have seen airlines such as British and KLM pull out of DTW.

Any word on any international airlines starting service to DTW in the near future??

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User currently offlineSkyPriorityDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4469 times:

KLM didn't really pull out, they just shifted their capacity over to Delta seeing they have the JV. Air France/KLM has a manager at DTW that operates any AF/KL flights in and out of DTW. Delta operates the ground-handling for all flights, both above and below wing.

BA pulled out once they lost the exclusivity to LHR. Many of their loyal customers on this route were also loyal customers to NW (now DL) domestically. NW adding the LHR route pleased the many corporate customers they had at the time who basically jumped ship to NW, the hometown carrier.

The only increase in international service I foresee at DTW will be with Delta. China Southern was supposed to operate a route to Guangzhou I believe (please, correct me if I'm wrong), but they announced the service with the route being operated by a 787. Obviously, that hasn't happened yet, and may not happen at all.

Many international flag carriers have no incentive to operate at DTW because it is Delta's strong-hold. Most of the traffic at DTW is connecting and DL has that on lock-down.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4386 times:

Quoting SkyPriorityDTW (Reply 1):
Many international flag carriers have no incentive to operate at DTW because it is Delta's strong-hold. Most of the traffic at DTW is connecting and DL has that on lock-down.

Only real growth in the international sector will really come from SkyTeam carriers. As you mention, CZ has shown interest. If Delta's ICN-DTW flight proves very successful, KE might add a second frequency.

Other than that, the only other real possibility is American launching a 757 on DTW-LHR now that the AA/BA JV is in effect. The 767-300 was a bit too much for BA; the 757 might be the right size for OW to have another go on this route.


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3024 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

the midterm expansion goals of TK also include DTW.

User currently onlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

There are just so many options in the US, its hard to get a decent amount of International coverage to work from all.

In future, I see some DL growth, along with Skyteam alliance members looking at adding DTW, but little else. It will also likely depend on Detroit's economic conditions in the coming years, in line with a rebound in the national economy growth.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

KLM never pulled out of DTW - service has been back and forth with NWA/DAL. DTW saw KLM regularly in the 1990s, went to 2X daily in 1995 with a 744 and MD-11, then the following summer with 743 and 763, then went down to a mix of MD-11 and 743 service. It disappeared for a few years returned to DTW in 2002 with MD-11 service, then disappeared until 2008 when they brought the 777 back for the summer. Since Delta's takeover of NWA, KLM has not operated in their colors - just codeshared on DAL flights. Maybe if the economy improves by next summer and DAL has at least 4 freq between DTW-AMS, one might operate in KLM colors.

In terms of new service, maybe we will see the DTW-FCO route one day in Alitalia colors, ICN-DTW in KE colors. I think once the 787 comes online we may see some new Asian-DTW routes. It wouldn't surprise me once the economy improves to see some Mideast carriers at DTW.


User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 971 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4182 times:
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Quoting SkyPriorityDTW (Reply 1):

The only increase in international service I foresee at DTW will be with Delta. China Southern was supposed to operate a route to Guangzhou I believe (please, correct me if I'm wrong), but they announced the service with the route being operated by a 787. Obviously, that hasn't happened yet, and may not happen at all.

The CZ flight was supposed to be PEK-DTW, which of course has now been picked up by DL.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

Don't mean to steer away from this topic, but is DL still flying DTW-MTY?

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 3):
the midterm expansion goals of TK also include DTW.

There is a large middle Easter diaspora in the Detroit region, right?

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 5):
maybe we will see the DTW-FCO route one day in Alitalia colors,

With the JV, I suppose we will see DL planes rather than AZ for this route.



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4616 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
Don't mean to steer away from this topic, but is DL still flying DTW-MTY?

Delta.com or even Travelocity...Expedia...etc can probably answer your question much faster than asking here.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
With the JV, I suppose we will see DL planes rather than AZ for this route.

Northwest, later Delta does every year for the summer. Northwest did it with DC-10s, later with A330s, now Delta does it with A330s. I was hoping to maybe see AZ colors for once on the route since they are sky team.


User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
Don't mean to steer away from this topic, but is DL still flying DTW-MTY?

ASA (EV) will do DTW-MTY in Sept with a CR9, also ATL-MTY.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7771 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

No new service on the horizon....sorry.

User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7565 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
Don't mean to steer away from this topic, but is DL still flying DTW-MTY?

Yes Delta is flying the route.



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User currently offlineslcpdxatl From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3466 times:

I've been wondering about CI possibly starting TPE-DTW. With them joining SkyTeam next month, the hub to hub route would make sense. DTW would offer tremendous one stop connectivity to TPE.

User currently offlinevincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
There is a large middle Easter diaspora in the Detroit region, right?

The metro Detroit (especially Dearborn) has about half million Arab population, largest in US. But this doesn't mean ME carriers are flocking here, most markets are VFR and they tend to be low yield, very similar to Montreal. (only RJ is still flying here now)

Even myself living here, I try to avoid Delta when flying internationally. Luckily with Skyteam now I can fly with CI, KE, and AF and still rack up Skymiles.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

Quoting vincewy (Reply 14):
The metro Detroit (especially Dearborn) has about half million Arab population, largest in US. But this doesn't mean ME carriers are flocking here, most markets are VFR and they tend to be low yield, very similar to Montreal. (only RJ is still flying here now)

The Middle Eastern Population in Detroit is from countries whose airlines are not allowed to fly to the U.S. or don't have airlines flying period.

I think the largest population of Middle Easterners is Palestinean - they don't have an airline

Next would probably be Lebonese - I think MEA still is banned from flying to the U.S., but if that was ever lifted MEA would probably fly to DTW

After that - Syrian - Syrian Arab Air banned from flying here

and Iraqi/Chaldean - Iraqi Airways is pretty much destroyed or not flyable.

I remember back in 2002 they were trying to get Emirates to DTW, I still see a chance some day as that airline gets bigger and bigger with huge amounts of aircraft that I think they could eventually run a 777 on that route.

I think Turkish could do an A330, Delta 787s eventually from DTW-TLV and maybe some other Middle Eastern countries like Iraq if Iraq ever gets back on its feet and organized and not taken over by some religious Ayatollah type. Northwest did plan to fly DTW- Baghdad a few years back.


User currently offlineSkyPriorityDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 15):
Next would probably be Lebonese - I think MEA still is banned from flying to the U.S., but if that was ever lifted MEA would probably fly to DTW

Are you talking about the route or MEA itself being able to fly from/to Lebanon? If I recall correctly, President Bush lifted the restriction to fly to/from Lebanon back in January 2007.

[Edited 2011-08-22 21:36:07]


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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

Quoting SkyPriorityDTW (Reply 16):
Are you talking about the route or MEA itself being able to fly from/to Lebanon? If I recall correctly, President Bush lifted the restriction to fly to/from Lebanon back in January 2007.

Is MEA flying to anywhere in the U.S? They got the equipment with A330s but I would assume they would have to stop somewhere to fuel like FCO or MAD. DTW would be a prime candidate I am sure for MEA due to the huge Lebonese population in Detroit area.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2264 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 15):
Quoting vincewy (Reply 14):
The metro Detroit (especially Dearborn) has about half million Arab population, largest in US. But this doesn't mean ME carriers are flocking here, most markets are VFR and they tend to be low yield, very similar to Montreal. (only RJ is still flying here now)

The Middle Eastern Population in Detroit is from countries whose airlines are not allowed to fly to the U.S. or don't have airlines flying period.
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 15):
and Iraqi/Chaldean - Iraqi Airways is pretty much destroyed or not flyable.

Iraqi Airways had a ticket office at the northeast corner of Southfield Road and Ten Mile Road in the 1970s and 1980s. In 1989, IA announced they were planning to add service to DTW, via JFK and somewhere in Europe, in the spring of 1991. Unfortunately, the 1st Gulf war started before IA could add flights to DTW, so we never got to see IA 747s parked next to BA L-1011s at the Berry Terminal.



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

I remember seeing an Iraqi Airways plane at DTW, probably the late 70's or so. Most likely a charter though not sure of teh reason.


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User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

TK announced intentions to start DTW in 2012
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/th...ish-eyes-more-us-destinations.html


User currently offlinewillzzz88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

Supposedly the European carriers and especially Air France carries a-lot of transit traffic via Paris CDG to Lebanon (Detroit->Paris->Beirut).

I remember picking someone up @ the DTW McNamara terminal and there was a LONG hold-up with DHS on those transit passengers NOT from Europe.

Lufthansa also carries some but mainly AF.

Also the usual routes via the EU hubs in LHR, CDG, AMS flown year-round and FCO (Rome) in Italy summer peak.

The European adds for example Italy in the summer have been vacation/holiday related and VFR (visiting friends and family) in Europe and LHR, CDG and AMS facilitate year-round business traffic.

A-lot of the DTW->Asia traffic is connecting traffic (someone have a number, 70-80%!?) due to DL's extensive domesitc network out of DTW.

DTW serves a reliever airport in a NON-CONGESTED region but with enough population (Michigan, Midwest) for Europe to the West Coast/Anywhere else in the US.

Also Canada (regional airports, I think YXU or somewhere in Ontario where DL offers attractive fares instead of driving to Toronto on Air Canada).

The Middle Eastern countries with airlines again come from countries with airlines that have problems with US DHS security clearance. Anyways connections are already possible through DL's "Mega-hubs" in Europe.


User currently onlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2501 times:

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 20):
TK announced intentions to start DTW in 2012

TK has many plans to serve many places, but things have a way of either being delayed a while or not happening.

They certainly have big ambitions, but it will take a while to get around to them all.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 22):
TK has many plans to serve many places, but things have a way of either being delayed a while or not happening.

They certainly have big ambitions, but it will take a while to get around to them all.

In Airways or Airliners magazine several years ago the CEO of Air Jamaica had Detroit listed as one of his top spots, and I still remember David Neeleman saying 7 years ago that when Jet Blue got its E190s they would serve JFK-DAB and that route has yet to start.

But yeah I think Turkish could do IST-DTW with at least an A330-200 2-3X week. It offers connections for places like Lebanon and Syria.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2264 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 23):
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 22):
TK has many plans to serve many places, but things have a way of either being delayed a while or not happening.

They certainly have big ambitions, but it will take a while to get around to them all.

In Airways or Airliners magazine several years ago the CEO of Air Jamaica had Detroit listed as one of his top spots,

JM served DTW 1969-1975.

For several years afterward, their former ticket counter at the Berry terminal (a.k.a. "the white mausoleum", because it was so underutilized in the 1970s and early-mid 1980s) sat forlornly vacant, near AeroMexico's former counter.



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 24):
JM served DTW 1969-1975.

For several years afterward, their former ticket counter at the Berry terminal (a.k.a. "the white mausoleum", because it was so underutilized in the 1970s and early-mid 1980s) sat forlornly vacant, near AeroMexico's former counter

Let me correct myself, it wasn't several years ago but maybe 10 years ago - since they had the A320 fleet, when the CEO talked about bringing Air Jamaica back to DTW.

I remember all kinds of great service at DTW back in the 1980s


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