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Lufthansa A330 Diverting To BUF  
User currently offlinekrisyyz From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10246 times:

I was listening to LiveATC when Lufthansa 472 (DUS-YYZ) experienced "extreme wind-shear" on approach to runway 33R . The pilots decided to divert to BUF due to fuel reserves.

Now due to return to YYZ from BUF at 1600hrs

KrisYYZ

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH472

[Edited 2011-08-21 12:24:34]

[Edited 2011-08-21 12:26:51]

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User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3844 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9825 times:

Looks to me like they dropped in on IAG.

User currently offlinevirginson937 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7599 times:
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It says on FlightAware, DLH472 diverted to IAG?

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User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6987 times:
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Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 1):
Looks to me like they dropped in on IAG.

IAG might be a VOR and they terminated radar service there and then went visual.



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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 3):
IAG might be a VOR and they terminated radar service there and then went visual.

The nearest VOR to IAG airport is BUF  

It indeed looks like they changed the plan and dropped in to IAG instead for fuel  



Lee



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User currently offlineAirNovaBAe146 From Canada, joined Jun 2008, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6145 times:

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 3):
IAG might be a VOR and they terminated radar service there and then went visual.

No, it is another airport that is actually closer to Niagara Falls than BUF. Direct Air goes there, as does Spirit and Vision, and various other charter flights. There are also military units


User currently offlineLHFADUS From Germany, joined Apr 2007, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

DAIKL diverted to IAG and was brought to YYZ after the new cockpit crew was brought to Niagara Falls by car to pick up the aircraft incl. crew and pax. DAIKL returned to DUS with aprox 3hrs delay. Quite amazing that the delay was held so short in spite of all the circumstances.

User currently offlineheathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

Been some interesting weather the past 48 hours in that area. I just flew in YTZ YOW on PD last night and there were some VERY bumpy parts.

Will pax clear U.S. customs and get busses, or will the aircraft continue to YYZ when it dies down?


User currently offlinebrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

I guess they drove the pilots for the YYZ-DUS in from YYZ to IAG? How far is that?


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User currently offlinecrazyfoo88 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 81 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

In good traffic it would take about 1hr30min, depending on where they are coming from in Toronto.


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User currently offlinecubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23197 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

Quoting brons2 (Reply 8):
How far is that?

75 miles from YYZ to IAG and about 100 from YYZ to BUF - it was smart to go to IAG, which is closer to the border, if the plan was to drive the crew in all along.



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User currently offlinematt From Canada, joined May 1999, 699 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

Quoting LHFADUS (Reply 6):
DAIKL diverted to IAG and was brought to YYZ after the new cockpit crew was brought to Niagara Falls by car to pick up the aircraft incl. crew and pax. DAIKL returned to DUS with aprox 3hrs delay. Quite amazing that the delay was held so short in spite of all the circumstances.

I'm surprised that they would have to bring in a crew from YYZ to operate that short segment as the crew that was flying in from DUS had not been on duty for an inordinate number of hours. What is the maximum duty day for LH cockpit crews?

Also, would the crew that was driven in from YYZ operate the flight back that night to DUS? I imagine.

Matt



Next flights: YQM-YYZ-YOW v.v. / YQM-CUN v.v. / YQM-YUL-YWG v.v. / YSJ-YYZ-SEA-SFO / SFO-YYZ-YOW-YQM / YQM-YYZ-MUC-TXL /
User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

Quoting matt (Reply 11):

I'm surprised that they would have to bring in a crew from YYZ to operate that short segment as the crew that was flying in from DUS had not been on duty for an inordinate number of hours. What is the maximum duty day for LH cockpit crews?

considering the crews fly flights of 12h + it doesn't make sense. They were max 9h in the air therefore another 3 hours the crew could have done completely fine


User currently offlineLHFADUS From Germany, joined Apr 2007, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 12):
considering the crews fly flights of 12h + it doesn't make sense. They were max 9h in the air therefore another 3 hours the crew could have done completely fine

Makes perfect sense. Cockpit crew on DUS longhauls are based in MUC, meaning before they do the flight to YYZ they already have a deadhead leg plus briefing time prior to that. The pilots were out of legal limits.

The new guys came from the hotel in YYZ, arrived at the airport to find out that the aircraft had been diverted. At first it was said that the original crew will depart from IAG after refueling. After refueling was done, they had to wait for a slot to get in to YYZ. That was what made them exceed their max-duty-time. So the two pilots in YYZ were "asked" to travel to IAG, to bring the aircraft to YYZ. And they did the entire flight back home to DUS as well.


User currently offlinematt From Canada, joined May 1999, 699 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2599 times:

Quoting LHFADUS (Reply 13):
Makes perfect sense. Cockpit crew on DUS longhauls are based in MUC, meaning before they do the flight to YYZ they already have a deadhead leg plus briefing time prior to that. The pilots were out of legal limits.

Ok, that explains it. Thanks.



Next flights: YQM-YYZ-YOW v.v. / YQM-CUN v.v. / YQM-YUL-YWG v.v. / YSJ-YYZ-SEA-SFO / SFO-YYZ-YOW-YQM / YQM-YYZ-MUC-TXL /
User currently offlineYYZALA From Canada, joined Nov 2009, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 2440 times:

Its interesting how LH was able to come up with such a quick solution.

The 30 minutes before 3pm and 30 mins after is where the storm was most active and caused a lot of diversions. My friends ACA857 got diverted to Hamilton after holding for a bit. They than had to wait on the ground for two hours due to slot restrictions. Interestingly, the weather did not seem very bad here on the ground.


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