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UA At LGB On 8/21  
User currently offlineArcrftlvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 819 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 2610 times:

Yesterday, a UA 738 landed at LGB around 3:30pm PST. Was this a charter? If not, what was it for?

[Edited 2011-08-22 08:54:28]

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User currently offlinepgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Had to be a charter. Plane came in from LAX just before 3 and then left for MSP at 5p.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 8 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Baltimore Orioles charter.

They were in town playing the Angels.



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User currently offlineArcrftlvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

I wonder why wouldn't they have flown into SNA?

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 2081 times:
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Quoting Arcrftlvr (Reply 3):
I wonder why wouldn't they have flown into SNA?

(1)-Couldn't get a pair of slots.

(2)-RON spaces at SNA all full up.

(3)-Keeping a low profile (the O's are not exactly having a winning year    )


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2492 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 4):
Quoting Arcrftlvr (Reply 3):
I wonder why wouldn't they have flown into SNA?

(1)-Couldn't get a pair of slots.

(2)-RON spaces at SNA all full up.

(3)-Keeping a low profile (the O's are not exactly having a winning year )

(4) Operational performance from SNA with lots of equipment.

If you look at a map SNA, isn't more than 3-4 miles shorter than LGB from the Big A. Both are under 15 miles from the Big A.


User currently offlineArcrftlvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 4):
(1)-Couldn't get a pair of slots.

Slots at LGB seem like it would be more difficult to come by then at SNA? No?

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 4):
(2)-RON spaces at SNA all full up.

Didn't it leave at 5pm for MSP? RON wouldn't be necessary.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 5):
If you look at a map SNA, isn't more than 3-4 miles shorter than LGB from the Big A. Both are under 15 miles from the Big A.

If I were a bus driver, I'd want avoid the 405 at all costs. Even on a Sunday afternoon. I'd much rather go to Anaheim from the Costa Mesa/Santa Ana area than Long Beach any day.


User currently offlinepgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Quoting Arcrftlvr (Reply 6):
Slots at LGB seem like it would be more difficult to come by then at SNA? No?

Slots are only for regularly scheduled commercial ops at LGB, so it's not an issue. There are charters all the time for a variety of reasons.

Quoting Arcrftlvr (Reply 6):
If I were a bus driver, I'd want avoid the 405 at all costs. Even on a Sunday afternoon. I'd much rather go to Anaheim from the Costa Mesa/Santa Ana area than Long Beach any day.

You don't need the 405. You can shoot straight down the 91 to the 5 from LGB. Regardless, on a Sunday afternoon none of those will be a problem.

It could very well be an issue of cost and service. LGB is a lower cost airport than SNA and I imagine that there are better facilities available for handling the charter.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 1901 times:
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Quoting Arcrftlvr (Reply 6):
Slots at LGB seem like it would be more difficult to come by then at SNA? No?

You got me.

I rarely fly into LGB -- I don't follow operations there.

Quoting Arcrftlvr (Reply 6):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 4) 2)-RON spaces at SNA all full up.
Didn't it leave at 5pm for MSP? RON wouldn't be necessary.

Left at 5pm?????

Oh.

Right you are. I missed that.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

As mentioned by pgtravel LGB sees a fair number of charters as such ops do-not require need slots. They only need to abide by the curfew, and follow the noise regulations.

Operations of charters at SNA is not possible as you'd need to free up a slot to do it. SNA slot regime considers air-carrier ops, scheduled or charter as one and the same.



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User currently offlineArcrftlvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Quoting pgtravel (Reply 7):
You don't need the 405. You can shoot straight down the 91 to the 5 from LGB. Regardless, on a Sunday afternoon none of those will be a problem.

On the contrary, you have to take the 405 at some point to get to another freeway (710 or 605 - although the 605 makes the most sense) to get to the 91. It's out of the way considering the 405 to the 22 to the 5 is the most direct. And even on a Sunday, the Orange Crush is terrible. I should know. I live in Long Beach and work in Anaheim. Unfortunately, I'm all too familiar with the horrific traffic patterns around that area.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1579 times:
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Quoting Arcrftlvr (Reply 10):
Quoting pgtravel (Reply 7):You don't need the 405. You can shoot straight down the 91 to the 5 from LGB. Regardless, on a Sunday afternoon none of those will be a problem.
On the contrary, you have to take the 405 at some point to get to another freeway (710 or 605 - although the 605 makes the most sense) to get to the 91. It's out of the way considering the 405 to the 22 to the 5 is the most direct. And even on a Sunday, the Orange Crush is terrible. I should know. I live in Long Beach and work in Anaheim. Unfortunately, I'm all too familiar with the horrific traffic patterns around that area.

Yeah, I sort of agree.

SNA is inside a square bordered by the 55, the 73, the 405, and MacArthur Boulevard. The north-end RON at SNA abuts the 405.

So how can you avoid the 405 ?


User currently offlinepgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1528 times:

Quoting Arcrftlvr (Reply 10):
On the contrary, you have to take the 405 at some point to get to another freeway (710 or 605 - although the 605 makes the most sense) to get to the 91. It's out of the way considering the 405 to the 22 to the 5 is the most direct.

Nope, you just shoot straight up Lakewood to the 91 from LGB.


User currently offlineArcrftlvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 11):
So how can you avoid the 405 ?

You can hop on the 55 without ever getting onto the 405. There's a ramp that puts you directly onto the 55N.

Quoting pgtravel (Reply 12):
Nope, you just shoot straight up Lakewood to the 91 from LGB.

That takes forever with all the lights. It would be faster to go 405S to 605N to the 91E.


User currently offlinepgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

Quoting Arcrftlvr (Reply 13):
That takes forever with all the lights. It would be faster to go 405S to 605N to the 91E.

I haven't found it to be at all, especially on a weekend.


User currently offlineArcrftlvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

Quoting pgtravel (Reply 14):
I haven't found it to be at all, especially on a weekend.

Really? Interesting. I think it gets too packed by the Lakewood mall.


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