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UA To Buy 11K IPads For Flight Crew  
User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3426 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13158 times:

UA announced today that they will buy 11,000 iPads for the flight crew.

http://www.planetalkinglive.com/2011...es-ipad-for-paperless-flight-deck/

They claim it will save 326,000 gallons of fuel and a bunch of trees.

Is this the trend going forward...paperless cockpits?


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13047 posts, RR: 100
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12809 times:
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Wow.
I personally think paperless cockpits are the way to go. I have questions (link website blocked by my firewall):
1. How does UA put their software on the iPad?
2. Will a bluetooth keyboard be allowed/utilized?

I agree with the choice of tablets. It is just too convienient with the long battery life. 'Instant on,' and ease of use. My concern is the software for the data with Apple's notoriously tight lockdown on the consumer iPads. But I'm asking...

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
Is this the trend going forward...paperless cockpits?

Definately.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12742 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
I agree with the choice of tablets. It is just too convienient with the long battery life. 'Instant on,' and ease of use. My concern is the software for the data with Apple's notoriously tight lockdown on the consumer iPads. But I'm asking...

These are not consumer iPads. There are corporate deployment capabilities for iPad. Also medical app deployments, etc. You can also create your own apps w the sdk and deploy them locally.



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User currently offlineOOSLC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12726 times:

I've always wondered what happens if the battery dies? Or if UA will install USB ports or plugs in the cockpits so you can charge the Ipad inflight... But awesome for a huge airline to do this! It'll save a lot for the environment: trees/pollution  

User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12706 times:

There is a Jeppesen iPad app:

http://ww1.jeppesen.com/main/corporate/microsites/jeppesen-mobile-tc/

My former employer has private jets and the flight department were getting iPads for the same reason.


User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12706 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
1. How does UA put their software on the iPad?

Apple allows companies to set up protected sites that only their employees can access for app distribution.
Lots of info here if you're interested: http://developer.apple.com/library/i...ion/Introduction/Introduction.html

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
2. Will a bluetooth keyboard be allowed/utilized?

There are keyboards for sale that work with the iPad. That'll be UA's decision.


User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1659 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12620 times:

Nice to see some investment in the employees! Hopefully we can see similar advances for the other work groups! Something like this that makes everybody happier is a win-win for the company.

User currently offlinesnn2003 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12337 times:

Quoting OOSLC (Reply 3):
I've always wondered what happens if the battery dies? Or if UA will install USB ports or plugs in the cockpits so you can charge the Ipad inflight... But awesome for a huge airline to do this! It'll save a lot for the environment: trees/pollution  

Most of the CO planes have electric plugs in the FD. I have given my phone to the pilots before to charge for me on long flights.

SNN



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12292 times:

Wonder if they'll install some custom docking stations that put the screens in an out if the way but easy to access location. Possibly with a locking clamp to prevent it from becoming a projectile.


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlinecalpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 998 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12225 times:

I'm just glad to reduce my weight!

My bag is 43lbs. lol


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3426 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12196 times:

Quoting rdh3e (Reply 6):
Hopefully we can see similar advances for the other work groups!

I could definitely see FAs using these for their manuals and BOB programs. What could other groups use them for?



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User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12157 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 8):
Wonder if they'll install some custom docking stations that put the screens in an out if the way but easy to access location. Possibly with a locking clamp to prevent it from becoming a projectile.

Hehe: http://www.flightdisplay.com/products_ipad_cockpit.php


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13561 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 11807 times:
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Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 10):
I could definitely see FAs using these for their manuals and BOB programs. What could other groups use them for?

Things like line-bidding/vacation-bidding apps, schedule planners, etc.



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User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1659 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 11771 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 10):
I could definitely see FAs using these for their manuals and BOB programs. What could other groups use them for?

Doesn't necessarily need to be hardware driven things, but as the other poster said, soft products and more efficient processes for all of the ancillary things we do every day would be nice, and could further reduce paperwork etc. I for one would really like to see the SA travel process (at the gate) be automated further to relieve the strain on the gate agents to allow for better customer service and helping to drive on-time departures!

We've already seen the success of a few tech tools at the airports, but we need to implement more that actually HELP our people instead of trying to REPLACE our people.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 11748 times:

Quoting delimit (Reply 11):
Hehe: http://www.flightdisplay.com/products_ipad_cockpit.php

Cool, but doubt the FAA would allow this in a commercial cockpit. Also not sure it would stand up to the rigors of 18 hour a day aircraft utilization. But this is the kind of company you would contract to design the unit for UA, assuming they can get it certified and produced quickly enough.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11558 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 14):
Cool, but doubt the FAA would allow this in a commercial cockpit. Also not sure it would stand up to the rigors of 18 hour a day aircraft utilization. But this is the kind of company you would contract to design the unit for UA, assuming they can get it certified and produced quickly enough.

Yeah, that was a link to show what's possible. There are also docks that involve arms. You could probably have a custom solution that also had power,

Obviously in commercial service you'd need something that would pass FAA muster. The market for this, though would actually be pretty large. I think when UA does this others will follow and you will see a solution offered very quickly.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11188 times:

Quoting delimit (Reply 15):
Obviously in commercial service you'd need something that would pass FAA muster. The market for this, though would actually be pretty large. I think when UA does this others will follow and you will see a solution offered very quickly.

No doubt.

But UA could get a huge number of HP TouchPads for less...  



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11169 times:

Haha. Are you kidding?! After that price drop they all just vanished. I was sort of sad. WebOS had a lot of promise.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13561 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9976 times:
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Quoting delimit (Reply 17):

Haha. Are you kidding?! After that price drop they all just vanished. I was sort of sad. WebOS had a lot of promise.

HP is now saying the quick sell-off of TouchPad inventory seems to validate the viability of WebOS - so stay tuned!



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User currently offlineUA191 From Canada, joined Apr 2010, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9280 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
UA announced today that they will buy 11,000 iPads for the flight crew.

http://www.planetalkinglive.com/2011...es-ipad-for-paperless-flight-deck/

They claim it will save 326,000 gallons of fuel and a bunch of trees.

Is this the trend going forward...paperless cockpits?

May be a silly question, but are they able to add/play personal games on the iPads?
I'm sure the last thing UA needs is pilots overshooting an airport (NW) because of their company-provided iPads.



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User currently offlinetozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8751 times:

Quoting rdh3e (Reply 6):
Nice to see some investment in the employees! Hopefully we can see similar advances for the other work groups! Something like this that makes everybody happier is a win-win for the company.

This is most definitely NOT an investment in the employees and it is not something that makes me happier. Now I have to carry around another device when before I had all of the company manuals on the aircraft. They didn't ask me if I wanted it and quite frankly I don't. Will the company install an app that allows the unit to be tracked? I certainly wouldn't put it past them.
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Quoting UA191 (Reply 19):
May be a silly question, but are they able to add/play personal games on the iPads?

If any pilot would be dumb enough to put personal apps on a company supplied device, then he/she would deserve to get fired. Any and all usage can and will be tracked.



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User currently offlineB6JFKSEA From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7475 times:

Alaska Airlines has been using the IPAD in the FD since June.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...echnology/2015164721_alaska28.html


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3426 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5736 times:

Quoting tozairport (Reply 20):
If any pilot would be dumb enough to put personal apps on a company supplied device, then he/she would deserve to get fired. Any and all usage can and will be tracked.

Maybe UA will preinstall Angry Birds   



"I want to know the voice of God the rest is just details" --A. Einstein
User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8326 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 14):
Cool, but doubt the FAA would allow this in a commercial cockpit.

Why not? Don't yokes have a mounted clip board for nav charts? What's the difference here?

Quoting UA191 (Reply 19):
May be a silly question, but are they able to add/play personal games on the iPads?

That is for the each corporation to decide. At my company everyone gets Blackberries but they are completely locked up. No user other than the administrators are allowed to install or uninstall apps, web sites allowed thru the filters are very limited, and no personal email at all is accessible. Even the camera is blocked from use. To top is all off, the company policy states that if anyone even attempts to break in (i.e. somehow get around these restrictions), they'll be fired immediately.


User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 14):

Quoting delimit (Reply 11):
Hehe: http://www.flightdisplay.com/products_ipad_cockpit.php

Cool, but doubt the FAA would allow this in a commercial cockpit. Also not sure it would stand up to the rigors of 18 hour a day aircraft utilization. But this is the kind of company you would contract to design the unit for UA, assuming they can get it certified and produced quickly enough.


The company already has a ton of STCs for various products, including older Boeing models, so I don't see why it would be any more difficult to get this thing approved.

http://www.flightdisplay.com/files/STC.pdf

Personally, I would like to have a yoke mount for our company iPads. It's hard to have to look at the thing in your lap on an approach.



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25 Starlionblue : It has been the trend for quite a few years now. iPad is just the latest step.
26 rdh3e : Of course they CAN track you. But they don't. Apparently the exact reason for the device is what angers you? Or maybe you just don't understand. You
27 Post contains links FlyPIJets : Ha Ha. no they can't. http://www.sdentertainer.com/news/hp-touchpad-tablet-discontinued/
28 victortango : CX was also considering a paperless cockpit a couple of years ago. Apparently, still working on it.
29 tozairport : So you admit I'm right but then say not to worry because the company won't do it? You must not work for United. Ipads have nothing to do with CVR's,
30 rdh3e : Correct. How many super's at the airport get in trouble for personal texting on their company blackberry? Or people at HQ fired for their internet br
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