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Are All The New 787's Stored In Everett?  
User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1552 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12486 times:
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Are all the newly built and "waiting for delivery" 787's stored in and around Everett? One unnamed source said that some were stored in Texas.....I know that 35 frames does take a lot of room---but Texas as a storage area?

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User currently offlinemdword1959 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12450 times:

Two aircraft are currently at SAT for change incorporation and rework:

ZA177 - Japan Airlines
ZA233 - Air India

See: http://nyc787.blogspot.com/2011/08/787-production-update.html#links


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31059 posts, RR: 87
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12426 times:
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Quoting n471wn (Thread starter):
One unnamed source said that some were stored in Texas.....I know that 35 frames does take a lot of room---but Texas as a storage area?

To build on mdword1959's reply, Boeing has always planned to have the 787 and 747-8 test frames sent to Port San Antonio to have their testing equipment removed and be brought up to customer delivery specification. With PAE so busy with customer re-work, additional production frames are being sent to Port San Antonio to be prepared for customer delivery.

[Edited 2011-08-23 11:45:47]

User currently offlineWestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 751 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12314 times:

Quoting mdword1959 (Reply 1):
Two aircraft are currently at SAT

Not to nitpick, but the link you provided (thanks for that, BTW) lists the two aircraft as being at Lackland AFB in San Antonio and not SAT (San Antonio International). Is that accurate? If so I'm a bit surprised; I'd have expected the 2 787 frames to be at SAT for there's a lot of MRO work done there.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31059 posts, RR: 87
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12204 times:
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Quoting Western727 (Reply 3):
Not to nitpick, but the link you provided (thanks for that, BTW) lists the two aircraft as being at Lackland AFB in San Antonio and not SAT (San Antonio International). Is that accurate?

Boeing facility is at Port San Antonio at Kelly Field (SKF). So it's in San Antonio, Texas, but not at San Antonio International (SAT).

http://www.portsanantonio.us/Webpages.asp?wpid=309

[Edited 2011-08-23 11:47:28]

User currently offlinedlednicer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 544 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11552 times:
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Most of the 787s that have left the factory have not flown and thus are stored at KPAE.

Some are stored just south of the Future of Flight Center, some are stored on taxiway A, some on the south ramp, some by the control tower, some in the ATS "pit" and some on the Boeing ramp. (see: http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/PAE/APD/AIRPORT+DIAGRAM/pdf)

I have pictures of three in the ATS pit in the db and one more in the queue:

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I have shots of two at the FoF Center in the db and one more in the queue:

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On Thursday afternoon I finally snagged one (Royal Air Maroc) by the control tower and on Sunday morning, I shot three on taxiway A, which are all in the queue.

There are also a lot of 747-8Fs and a few 747-8is on taxiway A, by the control tower and on the Boeing ramp. I got good shots of several -8Fs on taxiway A on Sunday morning.


User currently offlinesimpilot459 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11243 times:

Do you mean RWY 11/29? TWY A parallels Rwy 34L/16R and is the main taxiway for aircraft using that runway.

There are 32 787s around PAE, and about 20 747-8s

They shuffle around quite a bit, but there are usually 10 or so aircraft on RWY11/29, 6 at Kilo North (By Future of Flight), 3-4 on the ramp by the tower, 3-4 outside ATS Hangar 3 and 4-5 in ATS Hangar 3. The rest are on the Boeing ramp, in the factory/paint hangars, in San Antonio for work (2 787s and 3 or 4 747s) or flight testing out of BFI.



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User currently offlinedlednicer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 544 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11184 times:
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My mistake - they are on runway 11/29, not taxiway A.

User currently offlinemdword1959 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11094 times:

Thanx to Stich for correcting my earlier mistake about the IATA code for Kelly/Lackland (Port of San Antonio).

Quoting simpilot459 (Reply 6):
They shuffle around quite a bit...at Kilo North (By Future of Flight)

See: http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1017483

Quoting simpilot459 (Reply 6):
3-4 on the ramp by the tower

See: http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1041875

Quoting simpilot459 (Reply 6):
The rest are on the Boeing ramp, in the factory/paint hangars

See: http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1045239

Quoting simpilot459 (Reply 6):
or flight testing out of BFI

See: http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1015972


User currently offlinejbguller From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10017 times:

Just out of curiousity, why is the JAL 787 painted in their old scheme???

User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9627 times:

Quoting jbguller (Reply 9):
Just out of curiousity, why is the JAL 787 painted in their old scheme???

It was painted well before their switch to the new color scheme. They will be repainted into the current JAL scheme before delivery.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9627 times:

Quoting jbguller (Reply 9):
Just out of curiousity, why is the JAL 787 painted in their old scheme???

Back when it was painted, this was the current livery.


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1246 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9153 times:

Quoting jbguller (Reply 9):
Just out of curiousity, why is the JAL 787 painted in their old scheme???

Because God smiled down upon the aviation enthusiasts of the world, and said, "You deserve to see at least one of the beautiful 787s in the proper, attractive livery of JAL before all of their aircraft get transformed into the ugly color scheme that looks like a temporary wet lease. Enjoy, my children."

  



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User currently offlinecaetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 909 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8352 times:

Just a quick add on question. When are we going to start seeing frames roll out at the Charleston facility? I'm guessing we'll see some "stored" there too once they start rolling off the line.


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User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6271 times:
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Quoting caetravlr (Reply 13):
Just a quick add on question. When are we going to start seeing frames roll out at the Charleston facility? I'm guessing we'll see some "stored" there too once they start rolling off the line.

Funny you should ask - this from today's Seattle Times.
I would think that once the type certificate comes through - and since Charleston is just coming on line - there will not be too much storage. Just the typical needs of an active line.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...scboeingplant.html?syndication=rss


User currently offlinebonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6195 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 11):
Quoting jbguller (Reply 9):
Just out of curiousity, why is the JAL 787 painted in their old scheme???

Back when it was painted, this was the current livery.

In situations like this, will the a/c be delivered in that livery, or is Boeing obligated to repaint it?


User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5699 times:

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 15):
In situations like this, will the a/c be delivered in that livery, or is Boeing obligated to repaint it?

It's totally up to the customer; I'm sure Boeing will do whatever JAL requests.

Tom.


User currently offlinenotaxonrotax From Ecuador, joined Mar 2011, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5624 times:
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Quoting mdword1959 (Reply 8):


Quoting simpilot459 (Reply 6):
They shuffle around quite a bit...at Kilo North (By Future of Flight)


What's up with that apron?
Is that all muddy?
Is Boeing building something over there?

They could store a few more planes if they would finish off that apron, couldn't they?

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User currently offlinealevik From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 1037 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5517 times:
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Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 17):
What's up with that apron?
Is that all muddy?
Is Boeing building something over there?

They could store a few more planes if they would finish off that apron, couldn't they?

One of the locals could probably update, but based on the Feb 15, 2011 photo date, maybe they held off pouring concrete over the winter, and perhaps it is complete now.

With concrete installation total installed cost at $2,000 or so per cubic meter if it was me, I'd only pour the sections where the wheels sat, not where the wings overlapped.

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User currently offlinesimpilot459 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5304 times:

Quoting alevik (Reply 18):

One of the locals could probably update, but based on the Feb 15, 2011 photo date, maybe they held off pouring concrete over the winter, and perhaps it is complete now.

It is still a rather new expansion of the airport. I believe Boeing is only leasing it temporarily. I think the county wants to expand the airport in that area. It hasn't changed any since that photo, except I there is grass growing now.



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User currently offlinemdword1959 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5034 times:

Quoting simpilot459 (Reply 19):
I believe Boeing is only leasing it temporarily.

If assembly and deliveries of the 748 & 787 proceeed as planned over the next year, it's likely only the main Boeing Ramp area will be necessary to amply accommodate the normal tempo of production at Boeing-Everett.

See: http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1027726


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