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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 42  
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10864 times:



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART XLII

"Tribute to Lanica and Aeronica"

Lineas Aereas de Nicaragua [Lanica] was the state owned airline from Nicaragua until it was grounded in 1979. The attachment posted below shows the airline flying to Panama City, Guatemala, San Salvador, Miami and Mexico City in 1977.
Lanica was set up as an affiliate of Pan Am in 1944 being Miami added in 1957 as a regular destination. The airline operated several types of aircrafts: Boeing 247, DC-3, DC-6, Viscounts, CV-880, C-46, BAC 1-11 and Boeing 727 for their domestic and international routes.
A new airline was founded in 1980 known as Aeronica. The carrier flew C-212, C-46, DC-3, DC-6 for cargo and domestic operations. As part of the legacy from the Soviet Union, the AN-32 and TU-154 also integrated the fleet. Finally, the Boeing 727 and Boeing 720 were also part of their equipments serving destinations from abroad.
The continuing economic problems seriously affected Aeronica “La línea del arcoris” and the airline was finally privatized and renamed again by the early 90s.





Regards.


"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10886 times:

Coming from the old thread:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 199):
CM can´t market a LIR top product if it flies passengers to SJO and offrers land transportation to/from SJO. So no need to tie CM owners investment in a resort in Costa Rica with CM @ LIR, plain and simple as that.


I don't get that point very clear.
It's like the situation for Copa Airlines in Santo Domingo and Punta Cana, Dominican Republic where Copa Airlines offers independent flights. Coincidentally, the driving time between these cities is like the same four hours between San Jose and Liberia.
American Airlines, Continental and Delta are getting separate flights to both San Jose and Liberia on a daily basis at least.
Back to the situation of Copa Airlines, we discussed before in the forum how the airline promoted beach resorts in Saint Maarten when their services were about to commence there.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 10844 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 1):
Coincidentally, the driving time between these cities is like the same four hours between San Jose and Liberia. American Airlines, Continental and Delta are getting separate flights to both San Jose and Liberia

Even the beaten-up cartel understood they needed mainline flights to Liberia (although 46-seater turboprops 4x weekly was the best they could do) or risk being left with the crumbs of the Guanacaste market.. and it's not just the four-hour drive but also the fact that we may arguably have the worst roads in CentAm.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10761 times:

As previously stated, If CM starts LIR it won't be because CM owners might have investments in that area resorts.
There's a need to fly passengers direcly to LIR from PTY hub as it's the case rightnow with PUJ (and somewhat STI for POP resorts).
Eventually passenger demand will make CM fly directly to MBJ, not sure about VRA too, so to fly leisure passengers right there to where the resorts are located.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6309 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10731 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 2):
and it's not just the four-hour drive but also the fact that we may arguably have the worst roads in CentAm.

I dunno about that. Have you seen some of the roads here.....why you think PM does so well shuttling people around the country



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10619 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
it's the case rightnow with PUJ (and somewhat STI for POP resorts).


Copa is doing excellent in Dominican Republic. CM PTY-STI will operate on a daily basis from December 15th whereas CM PTY-PUJ goes surprisingly to 3x daily in the same date.
These leisure destinations are running separate from the dedicated CM PTY-SDQ 5x daily service.
I envisage a similar behavior if Copa Airlines would initiate flights to Liberia in the future.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
If CM starts LIR it won't be because CM owners might have investments in that area resorts.


Point taken. CM is running successfully in some of their leisure destinations and as far as I know, they don't manage investments into the resorts from Punta Cana, Cancun or Orlando.
Here's another point: Copa Airlines tends to couple their Central American stations: CM PTY-MGA-SAL, CM PTY-SJO-TGU, CM PTY-MGA-GUA, CM PTY-SJO-SAP, CM PTY-SJO-MGA and CM PTY-SJO-GUA. If CM would start services to LIR, I highly doubt how can it be related with another regional station.




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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 2):
Even the beaten-up cartel understood they needed mainline flights to Liberia (although 46-seater turboprops 4x weekly was the best they could do) or risk being left with the crumbs of the Guanacaste market..


TACA REGIONAL [SAL-LIR] 4x weekly is likely utilized to cater passengers from North America through San Salvador.
Perhaps any response for the possible entrance of Copa Airlines in Liberia might consist on TA LIR-LIM or TA LIM-BOG.
Furthermore, the airline doesn't seem to be interested to serve the healthy [LIR-MIA] route and American Airlines is taking advantage increasing their frequencies in such route to 13x weekly in November.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
why you think PM does so well shuttling people around the country


PM drives some destinations where the ground transportation is not possible: San Pedro and Caye Caulker.

Regards,



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10530 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
why you think PM does so well shuttling people around the country

Some of the most beautiful beaches here in Guanacaste have the worst roads leading up to them.. locals came up with a game years ago called "miss the pothole" which consists of snaking through the often-imaginary left and right lanes, then returning to the right when oncoming traffic approaches. 5C and RZ shuttles those who are either unfit or unwilling to play.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 5):
response for the possible entrance of Copa Airlines in Liberia might consist on TA LIR-LIM

TACA currently uses —through its T0 and LR subsidiaries— all frequencies negotiated by both countries (7x weekly for each side) during the I y II Reuniones de Consulta entre las Autoridades Aeronáuticas de Perú y Costa Rica back in 1997 and 2003 respectively.

[Edited 2011-08-25 15:40:30]


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6309 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10504 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 5):
PM drives some destinations where the ground transportation is not possible: San Pedro and Caye Caulker.

water taxis carry the bulk of the traffic at 1/10 the price.



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10415 times:

from La Prensa Panama: http://www.prensa.com/impreso/klm-volara-todos-los-dias-panama/20479
Desde el próximo 5 de noviembre la aerolínea europea KLM volará toda la semana desde la ciudad de Ámsterdam a Panamá.

Los directivos de la compañía franco-holandesa señalan que la decisión de aumentar a de seis a siete sus frecuencias semanales se debe al crecimiento económico que ha experimentado el país, en especial por la llegada de más capital extranjero, además de su atractivo como destino turístico.

La aerolínea, que vuela de domingo a viernes a Panamá, registra una ocupación de 88% en su avión MD-11 que tiene una capacidad para 285 pasajeros.

Registros de la empresa indican que los pasajeros que más utilizan la frecuencia entre Panamá y Ámsterdan son españoles, franceses, italianos, ingleses, asiáticos y centroamericanos.

Para el último trimestre del año también se espera que la compañía española Iberia incremente de cuatro a cinco sus vuelos semanales a Panamá


So basically, KL will increase from 6W to 7W while keeping the MD11   . Also they are expecting IB to increase from 4W to 5W .very good news indeed !!!   



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10390 times:

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 8):
Desde el próximo 5 de noviembre la aerolínea europea KLM volará toda la semana desde la ciudad de Ámsterdam a Panamá.

It was previously commented the intended plans for KLM in order to replace the MD-11 for the 772 next year.
KL AMS-PTY 7x weekly with 772 would be amazing taking into account the 88% of load facor in such route.
Once it will happen, the possibility to see Air France in Central America would be larger.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10380 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 9):
Once it will happen, the possibility to see Air France in Central America would be larger.

AF could well start trying PTY with a twice weekly ORY-FDF-PTY
  



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10338 times:

CM146 PTY0906 – 1103MBJ E90 27
CM147 MBJ1239 – 1430PTY E90 27

effective 11DEC2011 —Source: Copa San José CTO



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6309 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10317 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 11):
CM146 PTY0906 – 1103MBJ E90 27
CM147 MBJ1239 – 1430PTY E90 27

effective 11DEC2011 —Source: Copa San José CTO

Surprised those guys in the Jamaican forum haven't picked up on it yet....they too busy talking about Usain Bolt!



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10282 times:
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How many frequencies?


avi8
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10238 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 13):
How many frequencies?

Twice weekly: the 27 in that schedule means Tuesdays (2) and Sundays (7) only — when preceded by an X (as in X27) then it means EXCEPT — and a D all by itself means DAILY.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10222 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 11):
CM146 PTY0906 – 1103MBJ E90 27
CM147 MBJ1239 – 1430PTY E90 27


Montego Bay: another leisure station within the network of Copa Airlines and one more airport from the Caribbean meaning a strong coverage in that geographical region.
CM served that destination during the 90s as the triangular system: PTY-KIN-MBJ-PTY.
The airline is being cautious based on their limited frequencies and following the pattern of CM PTY-SXM 2x weekly which started in December 2010.
Here's one fresh press release related to the new service in Jamaica:

http://www.travelupdate.com.pe/inter...elo-desde-panama-hacia-montego-bay

Regards.



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10191 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 12):
Surprised those guys in the Jamaican forum haven't picked up on it yet

We haven't picked up on it due to the fact that nothing was mentioned in the news regarding this service. It was expected, but the official start announcement has not yet been released. CM's re entry into MBJ is not really news per say. It was only a matter of time before they would be back , even if it means offering them a revenue guarantee for the service.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 12):
they too busy talking about Usain Bolt!

Well naturally we would have to make mention of him in the thread as apart from being an iconic Jamaican figure on the tracks, he is also an integral part of brand Jamaica which is directly linked to our tourism industry, which inturn is directly linked to our aviation industry as well.



greenheart
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10160 times:

Assuming CM is not bluffing about their plans to add 25 new destinations in the next seven years, methinks some (5–10) of those could possibly be in CentAm and the Caribbean..

CentAm: BZE — DAV — FRS? — LIRRTB?
Caribbean: ANUAZSBGICUR — FPO — GCM — GND — SCUSKBTABUVFVRA?

There are obviously numerous options elsewhere.. MTY — GEO — PZO among others in Venezuela — plenty of possibilities in Brazil alone.. whatever.. although perhaps we are somewhat more familiar with those two subregions above.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10145 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 16):
apart from being an iconic Jamaican figure on the tracks, he is also an integral part of brand Jamaica which is directly linked to our tourism industry

Who came up with that idea anyway? New York public relations firm Ruder Finn?



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10093 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 18):
Who came up with that idea anyway? New York public relations firm Ruder Finn?

Actually it is not an '' idea ''. Just a fact. There is a direct link between Bolt, brand Jamaica and our tourism industry. It is that simple.



greenheart
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9993 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 19):
Actually it is not an '' idea ''. Just a fact. There is a direct link between Bolt, brand Jamaica and our tourism industry. It is that simple.

I get your point. Really, I do. Spain could learn a lesson or two from the Jamaica tourism authority when it comes to branding.. Iniesta and his national soccer team buddies could be a huge boost for the Spanish tourism industry.



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User currently offlineCM767 From Panama, joined Dec 2004, 655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9988 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 17):
Assuming CM is not bluffing about their plans to add 25 new destinations in the next seven years, methinks some (5–10) of those could possibly be in CentAm and the Caribbean..




Well this year CM has proved that is not bluffing.  , I would not call it bluff if plans slow down due to economies later down the decade.

What do you see as posiblñe destinations on North America?

I would bet on LAS, DEN, PHL, BOS, SFO



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9972 times:

Quoting CM767 (Reply 21):
Well this year CM has proved that is not bluffing. , I would not call it bluff if plans slow down due to economies later down the decade


I have the magazine "The Hub of the Americas Expands. July 2011" handy.
It states their intended plans to grow from 57 destinations in 2011 up to 83 new stations in 2018, meaning around four new airports every year.




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Quoting CM767 (Reply 21):
What do you see as possible destinations on North America?


What about FLL as back-up for Miami ?  
This idea may also apply for TACA as AVIANCA already flies the BOG-FLL sector.

Regards.



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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9933 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 20):
I get your point. Really, I do. Spain could learn a lesson or two from the Jamaica tourism authority when it comes to branding.. Iniesta and his national soccer team buddies could be a huge boost for the Spanish tourism industry.

        

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 15):
Montego Bay: another leisure station within the network of Copa Airlines and one more airport from the Caribbean meaning a strong coverage in that geographical region.
CM served that destination during the 90s as the triangular system: PTY-KIN-MBJ-PTY.
The airline is being cautious based on their limited frequencies and following the pattern of CM PTY-SXM 2x weekly which started in December 2010.

Hopefully the MBJ route will work out well ( both for CM and Jamaica ) as efforts are being made to tap deeper into the South American markets where tourism here is concerned. Also I like the fact that the flights will be operating to the '' second '' city non stop and not via KIN. Though they are being cautious with their expansion in the region, over all I think they have quite an impressive coverage.



greenheart
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2139 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9901 times:

I wonder how cartel subisidiary Aeroperlas is doing with their ATR shuttles from the new terminal domestica in Tocumen out to BOC and DAV via PAC? — btw have they finally managed to put years of passenger complaints behind?

Also would like to know whether there has been any progress as of late with the relocated aeródromo in Pedasí.

Quoting CM767 (Reply 21):
I would bet on LAS, DEN, PHL, BOS, SFO

2travel2know2 has suggested LAS numerous times. I agree with all the above.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 22):
What about FLL

Absolutely.



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25 viaggiare : 58 by year's end counting MBJ.. speaking of their extensive route network and considering daily nonstop flights to/from GUA, MGA, SAP and TGU, can SJ
26 copa330200 : agree !!! I think CM might frequency increase to YYZ, not idea if YVR might work ( note I'm not sure if this can be done with a 737) I would like to
27 SJOtoLIR : The focus city status is not well defined nowadays and perhaps it's only a designation from the airlines. Copa Airlines certainly offers flights to G
28 bjorn14 : Any chance LIO or PCZ ever gets North American service?
29 avi8 : Realistically I don't see TACA expanding service at GUA any time soon although they could get some money out of it.
30 2travel2know2 : My bet is LAS, BOS and SFO maybe next year. Wild guess: E190 to TPA and MSY. UA showed no interest for ORD-PTY so I don't see UA flying SFO-PTY or DE
31 aer : I think you mean even if they could get some money out of it. Only all of the US cities and MEX. An American friend recently visited CUN and wanted t
32 viaggiare : So is BZE–FRS (PM) the only scheduled international route out of Santa Elena since FRS–CUN was run to the ground? I wonder if the route's demise
33 aer : Well as soon as SAL-CUN came to be, it was logical that they would axe FRS-CUN, would've wished that they instead started a SAL-FRS that connected .
34 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-ORD 7x weekly is due to start on December 15th. The interest may rather consist to add the UA designator in those flights later. . NK FLL-PTY
35 2travel2know2 : NK PTY flight sells because of price not because schedule or PTY origin passengers going onboard cruises out of FLL. CM most likely will add a 5th MI
36 yellowtail : TA GUA-FRS has come under some pressure from TAG, but it should be a nice little profit center for them. FRS-RTB would also be an interesting idea fo
37 aer : Well it's not like they're undercutting them since the price is the same and TAG has only 1 flight a day and not posted on the OAG (never known if th
38 yellowtail : actually 2. They have another morning one for PM in partnership with PM and it is doing really well. So I thik they have GUA-FRS departures at 06:30
39 juanchito : Taken from their facebook page, posted on August 9. ITINERARIOS DE LUNES A VIERNES RUTA SALIDA LLEGADA FRECUENCIA TAG AIRLINES GUA-FRS 06:30 a.m. 07:
40 avi8 : I wonder if Continental express will ever return to flores. Maybe 1x week?
41 juanchito : Could be 1 weekly with E170, maybe even twice weekly with E145. Juanchito
42 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Monterrey is probably the next station for Copa Airlines in Mexico. The airline already has the rights to operate Puerto Vallarta and San Jose del Cab
43 viaggiare : I doubt CM will exercise those rights anytime soon, if ever.. both places are simply too far from their hub (1652nm and 1937nm away) to be of interes
44 Post contains links viaggiare : There was an article in yesterday's New York Times about environmental concerns regarding the proposed Aeropuerto Internacional de la Zona Sur. Not su
45 yellowtail : I suspect the MTWTF flight will become daily....Tropic & TAG have kept it at MTWTF during the off season. Station costs would be too high for a o
46 2travel2know2 : Those destinatons in CM network really don't make any sense. If CM wanted Mexican leisure destinations, then because of distance from PTY, Huatulco w
47 aer : Well the original schedule was 1x with a E145, as for station costs... no idea what they are for GUA let alone FRS.
48 yellowtail : Wasn't it 4Xweekly?. Lfs were not good.
49 Post contains images aer : I really have problems with the 1x, 2x, et. al. any one know where I can get a dummies version? Well what i meant was that in the end they only had a
50 yellowtail : someone in the loop in CO told me that the ERJ was absolutely the wrong aircraft for that route and that FRS as a community was not ready. CO was look
51 avi8 : So there is no way they could actually combine the route? For example make it IAH-FRS-CUN-FRS-IAH. Or maybe IAH-FRS-CUN-IAH. Another one could be IAH-
52 SJOtoLIR : The E145 jet into IAH-FRS could make a resemblance with (DL-9E) ATL-BZE deployed with CR9, in terms of operational costs and level of service. . One
53 viaggiare : More like lousy marketing and limited imagination.. however there is no shortage of archaeological sites and plenty of lush tropical rainforest teemi
54 yellowtail : Mexicans would probably never allow it or at least make it very difficult. Maybe they should talk to DL Trust me, as someone who is tasked with marke
55 Post contains images aer : I can imagine that marketing to Indiana Jones is hard as heck. True, I think it would be great to pair with a flight to AAZ [Xela] (if the airport wa
56 SJOtoLIR : The Lima - Antofagasta service on TACA will be cancelled. Effective: September 19th. H2 SCL-ANF-LIM 5x weekly with 320 is the winner in such segment.
57 SCL767 : Not surprised since Sky Airline was on the route before TACA launched LIM-ANF and Sky had already captured the O&D traffic between ANF and LIM. A
58 RAGAZZO777 : Sky is definitely NOT the winner in that segment. Actually, they're now operating such flights 4 times/week. They've already suspended their SCL-LIM-
59 bjorn14 : Right. I was thinking IAH-CUN-FRS-CUN-IAH. Get those premium CUN pax off, maybe pickup some wannabe Indiana Joneses and go.
60 avi8 : I agree with you, this is something that could actually work.
61 yellowtail : you mean those really really really cheap folks? LOL. CUN and premium do not belong in the same sentence ..at least with USA traffic anyway.
62 yellowtail : Its official: Tropic Air will commence service BZE-RTB (3 times weekly) and BZE-SAP (5 times weekly) effective Dec 12 BZE 17:45 SAP 16:40 MTWTF SAP 06
63 aer : good to hear, best of luck to Tropic Air! point taken lol
64 viaggiare : Excellent.. that's three international destinations.. how long before this burgeoning competition makes the usual suspects feel uneasy enough to step
65 yellowtail : Four dest: RTB, SAP, GUA and FRS. Next one will be a domestic..then probably another 2 int'l in late 2012.
66 aer : Considering Tropic Air is well managed and might make it work... guess not long. Now it would be great if Tropic and TAG updated their web pages.
67 SJOtoLIR : TACA inaugurated four international destinations out of Peru since December 2010: LIM-MDZ, LIM-ANF, LIM-MIA and LIM-BSB. Only Miami and Brasilia will
68 viaggiare : But as I understand it GUA is codeshared thus not actually PM metal past FRS. Anyone else get the impression that AV/TA is nowhere close to running a
69 bjorn14 : I guess not everyone will be taking a dive tank. Albeit I know most divers don't travel with their tanks.
70 Post contains images RAGAZZO777 : We have to remember that the MDZ route was dropped because of the Argentine ANAC. ANF is a whole different thing, at 3 flights per week they were nev
71 Post contains links and images viaggiare : This morning local daily La Nación reports the Comptroller General has given Aviación Civil (DGAC) and its technical council (CETAC) until December
72 yellowtail : PM has a new website ready to launch, booking engine is being tested as we speak. Should be up in the next few weeks. The TAG aircraft is wet leased
73 2travel2know2 : As shown in the photograph, COOPESA will be relocated within SJO not moved to LIR, IMHO, a much wiser choice.
74 Post contains links viaggiare : Is this done for purely technical reasons or is it a way to get around some other issue (political or otherwise) which prevents PM from flying all th
75 Post contains links viaggiare : I agree but COOPESA officials keep making preposterous claims such as: "Liberia is possible for expansion, but not relocation. How are you going to m
76 yellowtail : Technical. 208s are not the best aircraft to go over the 10K feet needed to do GUA in all conditions.
77 2travel2know2 : Well if SYQ had the space and a runway long enough for those jets served by that M.R.O. would that relocation bother them too?
78 viaggiare : Even if those limitations were dealt with, there would still be obstacles on approach, densely-populated areas all around, nasty crosswinds and const
79 avi8 : Copa is adding another frequency on PTY-GUA flying everyday except Saturdays and Sundays.
80 copa330200 : cool !!! do you have the details ? thanks
81 avi8 : I do. CM712 PTY-GUA 07:46-09:01 E90 x67 CM713 GUA-PTY 16:29-19:44 E90 x67 I dont understand the Schedule though. Could this bean another leg? GUA-BZE
82 Post contains images aer : If it were so, I think that many people just squeeded But I do think that those are to many flights by CM that ends up overlapping with the flights f
83 avi8 : Well my guess is that since they went from4 to six banks they want to give the benefit of frequency and schedule aswell.
84 2travel2know2 : Leave COOPESA where it's, use much less of those USD25M to build a nice connector - behind COOPESA - between SJO terminal and a remote gates concours
85 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : San Jose Pavas has no possibilities to expand its runway in order to allow main jet-line operations, taking also into account the facts listed above.
86 SHAQ : Remember CM have some hangars in GUA. Maybe that's the reason, but I hope CM opens a focus city in GUA.
87 Post contains links viaggiare : CETAC is DGAC's technical advisory body (see article 10 of Law 5150) charged with regulating aircraft maintenance shops and overseeing all aviation a
88 yellowtail : so with CM adding this flight....what does their full sued to GUA look like now?
89 avi8 : What exactlty do u mean?
90 viaggiare : He probably meant sked (schedule) but after six cold Belikins that keyboard starts playing tricks.
91 avi8 : Hahaha, you're probably right. Right now it is as follows: CM PTY-GUA 28x weekly + 5 weekly starting december 15th with a total of 33x weekly CM GUA-M
92 copa330200 : not sure if CM will be able to fly out of GUA to US or Mexico, is that possible ???
93 viaggiare : CM320 PTY1136 – 1251GUA E90 D CM319 GUA1417 – 1732PTY E90 D CM406 PTY1542 – 1702GUA E90 D CM497 GUA0515 – 0830PTY E90 D CM390 PTY1840 – 200
94 avi8 : From where will passengers connect to at 7 in the morning?
95 juanchito : I was checking Copa page and this flight will be only on Thurdays and Fridays. I will have to check some schedule but could be Juanchito
96 SJOtoLIR : Copa Airlines on Panama City - Guatemala City service: CM PTY-GUA 26x weekly CM PTY-SJO-GUA 7x weekly CM PTY-MGA-SJO 14x weekly CM/P5 BOG-PTY-SJO-GUA
97 2travel2know2 : Panama and Guatemala have open skies, Panama and the States have an open skies bilateral too, so in paper, CM could fly to a U.S. airport via GUA. Ho
98 yellowtail : And they were cold. THanks for looking after my spelling mistake!
99 yellowtail : That is quite an impressive schedule for CM in GUA now.
100 avi8 : It is a 5x weekly flight. It has been confirmed. There was a confusion.
101 aer : Can they circumvent the bilateral registering an a/c in Guatemala, or it doesn't matter? Also any idea on how the Guatemala - Canada bilateral goes?
102 avi8 : Unfourtanetly no canadian airline has shown interest in that route. Let's hope one of them does.
103 yellowtail : I wish they would.....Anything western Canada (esp Calgary) to GUA would work and AC and WS know it.
104 Post contains images viaggiare : You might have been looking at its debut week, in which it will only operate on the 15th and 16th. I see plenty of room for a daily BZE tag-on using i
105 yellowtail : You forget the clout of "el loro" I would guess you would probably see CM on PTY-BZE n/s first.
106 aer : In 1997 (the last revision of the Guatemalan civil aviation code) pretty much opened most freedoms of the skies with the exception of the national ro
107 Post contains links viaggiare : Well then as the popular Tico adage states, ¡que Dios lo haga profeta y no mentiroso! (may God make you a prophet and not a liar!) but regardless of
108 Post contains links aer : Not really it goes Pretty much says, according to article 66 of the Civil Aviation Law currently in force in Guatemala, ... grants all countries ...
109 viaggiare : Now that's what I call open skies.. all countries.. no restrictions.. submit the paperwork and you are good to go.. beautiful!
110 aer : Well, with a very underused air sector, you do what you must, right?
111 viaggiare : Absolutely.. do what u gotta do.. bring in more tourists and capture foreign investment.. put people to work and get the economy moving.. smart.
112 bjorn14 : Does Guatemala have open skies with the USA?.... that would complete the chain.
113 juanchito : Yes they have. Juanchito
114 SJOtoLIR : Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica are being regulated upon the Open Skies agreement with the USA. As far as I know, Belize h
115 yellowtail : Soon.
116 viaggiare : Wouldn't it be something if a good-humored Salvadoran legislator did a copy/paste of that Artículo 66 de la Ley de Aviación Civil de Guatemala and b
117 2travel2know2 : As El Salvador gets pressure to become more globalized, If that article is modified adding: "en rutas no operadas por la aerolinea nacional" (in rout
118 viaggiare : I wonder how much TACA actually means to Salvadoran society, not in terms of that elusive sense of national pride, but with regard to its contributio
119 HR001 : Maybe with the talk of TACA's main ofiices moving to Bogota things in SAL start changing.
120 SJOtoLIR : Copa Airlines has again adjusted their intended plans for 2011 IATA Winter time. Effective: December 15th. CM PTY-AUA: 4x to 7x weekly. E90/73G mix CM
121 avi8 : How many daily flights does PTY have?
122 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : The next source reflects how many flights operate at PTY every day. Select the proper filters: "By airport", "date" and "time period." http://www.fli
123 viaggiare : I hope so.. and that one day all of CentAm will be open skies, its governments entirely removed from the business of allocating capacity, thus allowi
124 2travel2know2 : True, but not that I'd like to see Guatermalan TAG flying one day a couple of Centralamerican routes and to MEX (or TLC), MIA (or FLL) and to LAX (or
125 yellowtail : After struggling a bit at first...seems to have found some legs.
126 SJOtoLIR : It might be since CM PTY-AUA is becoming their services on a daily basis soon. I just checked the GDS sources and I didn't find 9H PTY-CUR anymore. .
127 RAGAZZO777 : Copa has officially requested its Air Operating Permit in Peru to be modified to operate up to 35 flights per week on the Boeing 737-700/800 and the E
128 2travel2know2 : That's CM Panamá and only to LIM or to LIM plus any other Peruvian airport (thinking AQP or IQT)? Could CM Colombia P5 could request additional flig
129 Post contains links viaggiare : Here is the current sked for the Tocumen shuttle by Aeroperlas.. WL155 PAC1010 – 1020PTY ATR D (timed for connections from BOC and DAV) WL154 PTY105
130 SJOtoLIR : Isn't cheaper any ground transportation between Tocumen - Albrook ? Perhaps there is not enough time for connecting to both Bocas del Toro and David.
131 MSYtristar : I've been hearing more rumblings about TA going back to MSY as of late. Anyone else heard anything?
132 avi8 : Out of all the cities in the USA that are not served by TACA? I don't think so.
133 2travel2know2 : The day CM decides to fly PTY-DAV-XXX, PTY-DAV-PTY international so passengers just connect @ PTY to/from DAV flights, there'll be the end for those
134 RAGAZZO777 : Sorry for the late reply. It's a request made by CM as a Panamanian carrier. Further, their request to operate up to 35 flight frequencies is for the
135 2travel2know2 : I was under the impression that Panama and Peru do have open skies. Frequencies are there for Panamanian and Peruvian airlines to operate, it's just
136 SJOtoLIR : For those who watched the Costa Rican movie "El Regreso," I think the plane shown briefly on the film corresponds to JetBlue landing at SJO by runway
137 RAGAZZO777 : Yes, Panama and Peru signed an Open Skies Agreement this year, though I'm not sure if the Panamanian Parliament ever ratified it. But yeah, normally,
138 yellowtail : I haven't been to PTY in some years....and what a change the airport is. Yes it is bustling, yes it is a bit congested, but it is very efficient and t
139 avi8 : I think they could do with some modernization. The airport is efficient but a bit crappy in the interior. The new wing is looking great though!
140 2travel2know2 : Airport access, parking, rental area and crew + tour-passengers pick-up/drop area are all beyond crappy. Foodcourt doesn't even have electric stars t
141 SJOtoLIR : COPA Airlines will fly to Monterrey, Mexico: CM 148.................PTY 18:52...................MTY 22:23..............Mo, We,Fr, Su................73
142 aer : Looks like AM is downgrading it's flights to GUA to a E90. Guess Interjet is ahead now.
143 Post contains links and images juanchito : I took this picture recently looks they will downgrade it to E190 but keep twice daily and interjet will go to 1 daily reducing capacity from 13 week
144 Post contains links juanchito : New airline startup in Honduras call EasySky and they have started operation between La Ceiba and Roatan with a single Boeing 737-200 I think it is th
145 avi8 : When was this announced? When will AM officially begin E190 operations?
146 juanchito : They didn't announced it, if you try to book on ther website all operation are on E90. Juanchito
147 Post contains links viaggiare : Great news! btw their website does not appear to be accessible yet but there is plenty of interaction going on via their fb profile for now. As with
148 avi8 : Too bad Tikal Jets never worked. They would've been an excelent airline if it wasn't for TACA's protection.
149 Post contains images viaggiare :
150 CM767 : I have to agree 100% on all of the above, the increased passenger loads can kill PTY overnight success, and the lines at restrooms are embarrassing.
151 SJOtoLIR : The GUA-MEX sector suddenly experienced a lot of capacity. Before July 2011, TA GUA-MEX was the sole player in such route and offering exorbitant far
152 yellowtail : Having been thru there twice this week, it is not that bad....and it is far cry from what was there 10 years ago.
153 HR001 : Yes its HR-AVR ex rollins plus JS-31 HR-AWG ex Central American Airways, they are annoucing FLL routes via wet lease. and SAP-TGU starting in novembe
154 yellowtail : Seriously their b/e on LCE-RTB is going to be very high.....and TA et al will not take this lying down....this route is more suited for the 208s or A
155 HR001 : The parrot cartel lowered their fares 20 % i also don´t understand the logic behind a 737 for such a short flight but time will tell.
156 avi8 : I don't understand why they're using such old aircraft when there are some newer ex-mexicana ones coming.
157 Post contains links and images mt99 : I wonder what the EasyJet People think about their livery.. View Large View MediumPhoto © Benn George They are saving money on having a personalized
158 yellowtail : well AA didn't do much about Atlantic Airlines.....
159 Post contains images viaggiare : In better days they would have driven the little guy (those that were even allowed to get airborne) out of business with ruinous fares.. then undersu
160 aer : I do miss it though
161 Post contains links viaggiare : LIR has a new facebook fan page with pictures and renders of its new terminal building.
162 Post contains links avi8 : http://prensalibre.com/economia/KLM-...mina-regreso-pais_0_557944204.html interesting.
163 viaggiare : INGUAT came up with three or four themed tourism routes for the occassion, which sounds good on paper so hopefully this will be properly marketed and
164 yellowtail : my spanish sucks...does this say that they are returning or thinking of?
165 avi8 : The article is basically saying that KLM is considering launching GUA again. Final decision will come in October. They are also in talks with beginnin
166 viaggiare : Also seems to imply it could be temporary, stating KL anticipates strong passenger demand from Europe associated with the 2012 event, while conceding
167 avi8 : Also true. Although I think that if the leg extends to SJO ut could be permanent, meaning: AMS-GUA-SJO-AMS.
168 HR001 : What I don't get is if KLM is interested what are they negotiating? lower airport fees?? or they are "trying" to get KLM interested in coming back to
169 SJOtoLIR : TACA REGIONAL dropped GUA-FRS-CUN 7x weekly in the past, being this route rather oriented on the O&D traffic. 40 flew the GUA-CUN sector around [
170 yellowtail : The issue is not that there isn't any traffic on GUA/BZE-CUN...it is the fact that the mexicans make it very difficult operationally to do transit pa
171 juanchito : How about KLM starting AMS-SDQ-GUA-SDQ-GUA. Dominican Republic and Guatemala have opensky agreement, both members of SICA and have TLC (tratado de lib
172 2travel2know2 : That's an interesting route. Another interesting route could be AMS-CUR/AUA-GUA, in this one, KL could use its crews staying over on AUA/CUR for the
173 Post contains images viaggiare : Problem is, KL doesn't fly to SDQ.. however PUJ starts next month.
174 aer : A service that none of us have mentioned was MX try at GUA-CUN using its CRJ. But no idea how that worked.
175 SJOtoLIR : True; how could I ever forget it... I think the service was dropped before Mexicana collapsed around mid-2010. MX CUN-SJO 3x weekly was also active i
176 aer : It was a short service due to the collapse, but sucks that we'll never know how that was doing.
177 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : In some CM related financial news CM holdings (NYSE:CPA) has the best relative performance in the airline industry According to market researchers CM
178 SJOtoLIR : Mexicana Link into CUN-SAL was also taking into account, but the flight didn´t operate as far as I know. TA SAL-CUN and CM PTY-CUN are progressing si
179 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : AC LH UA for development of PTY Hub of The Americas From www.prensa.com in Spanish Today's La Prensa brings us the news that LH, AC and UA will contro
180 Post contains links viaggiare : I wouldn't hold my breath.. there was a similar event in San José last year involving those same parties and nothing significant ever came of it.
181 SHAQ : Viggiare , I think you can't compare the situations here. CM can provide them tons of connections to feed their flights. You can see how KLM and Skyt
182 yellowtail : I think you will see LH sooner than later. That may been the end of the KL codeshare for CM and might be a real blow to KL at PTY. Shame because it wa
183 2travel2know2 : Current Panama-Canada bilateral doesn't allow any more CM scheduled frequencies to Canada, no matter where to in Canada. Scheduled frequencies for Ca
184 SJOtoLIR : Only Copa Airlines is benefiting with the future expansion at PTY. CM will inaugurate Monterrey, Chicago, Cucuta [Copa Airlines Colombia] and Montego
185 Post contains images copa330200 : CM & KL have developed a very good partnership on the PTY route so they are not going to drop it from one day to another. Now, there are some plac
186 Post contains images 2travel2know2 : But PTY-MAD could be flown by CM B737-700ER so CM doesn't really need B767/777/787 to fly to MAD (and LIS) very soon.
187 viaggiare : I am fully aware of the differences.. just saying they already gave us a sip of that same kool-aid. I agree.. how about NH? Interesting.. what is you
188 2travel2know2 : NH, OZ, CA, TK...
189 yellowtail : AV/TA won't last long in *A. They just can't exist with CM and I think CM has the power due to the advantages of its PTY hub over SAL and BOG. If AV/
190 Post contains images 2travel2know2 : SAL, SJO, BOG and LIM are 4 hubs, when it comes to infrastructure, location, O/D market... each one has its ups and downs, but as it has been stated
191 viaggiare : With regard to CA methinks diplomatic ties with Taiwan would stand in the way.. as for TK no offense but at what point does wishful thinking take on
192 copa330200 : I've always though about LIS because of TP / Star Alliance... but right now it seems more possible that LH will get in PTY before CM gets a widebody
193 2travel2know2 : Just after seeing TK numbers in GRU. Bear in mind a link between Star Alliance hubs IST and PTY may prove to be a bit interesting. PTY does have some
194 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Panama negotiating new and improved biliaterals From www.prensa.com - In Spanish Panama is negotiating improved bilaterals with Ecuador, Brazil and Ar
195 SCL767 : That's great, maybe CM will finally be able to fly PTY-ROS after the Argentine ANAC denied the route. The code-share between TAME and CM is not surpr
196 Post contains images viaggiare : I bet you're excited about the possibility of EK passenger service linking the two Dubais at some point.
197 2travel2know2 : I'd be excited if EK is to open PTY via LON, not for the non-stop, since PTY is crying for a LON non-stop. IMHO, DXB-PTY non-stop would be such a pre
198 Post contains images copa330200 : that's a very looong trip !!! i like better the LON option thought those are very expensive slots
199 SJOtoLIR : Let’s analyze the facts in 2011: The equation [AV-TA] is now stronger with Star Alliance, since AV applied with authorities a code-share service wit
200 SCL767 : The Argentine ANAC tends to act in a protectionist manner; which deters business travel and tourism. ROS does well with pax connecting to LAX. TUC de
201 2travel2know2 : Not LGW slots.
202 yellowtail : And all can be undone with one phone call. nothing is ever permanent in the aviation industry .. except of course that it is a horrible investment
203 Post contains images copa330200 : that's right !!! unfortunately, that's not what CM management thinks
204 2travel2know2 : Beggars can't be choosers, PTY wants a LON non-stop period, it's about England O/D - PTY (O/D+hub) traffic; the issue if it's to LHR because connecti
205 viaggiare : So true. That sounds like a certain CentAm country. You think CM would do well in all three markets? Lots of Colombians —and South Americans in gen
206 2travel2know2 : ROS may be able to support 4-5 frequencies per week, TUC and SLA flights to PTY may be a bit more risqué, but while the ideal scenario would be to f
207 RCS763AV : I'm sorry but you can't compare GRU to PTY or Brazil to Panamá, it's just so disproportionate. And EK? Please. I know PTY has potential and will pro
208 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Please, continue the discussions here: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 43 (by SJOtoLIR Sep 24 2011 in Civil Aviation) Mods, lock this thread as
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