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Flybe Nordic Announce New Routes  
User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1810 posts, RR: 9
Posted (3 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10703 times:

Released today, 24 August 2011:

"HELSINKI: Flybe, Europe’s largest regional airline, now Finland’s newest airline following the completion of its joint acquisition with Finnair of Finnish Commuter Airlines (Finncomm) on August 18th, is today announcing its new route network. It features a total of 24 regional routes offering a choice of up to 416 flights a week. This includes ALL existing routes previously operated by Finncomm together with the addition of nine brand new routes."

The nine new routes are as follows:

Helsinki -- Mariehamn, Aland (2xdaily)
Helsinki – Tartu, Estonia (6 per week)
Helsinki – Trondheim, Norway (4 per week)
Helsinki – Umea, Sweden (4 per week)
Tampere – Tallinn, Estonia (3xdaily)
Turku – Tallinn* (2x daily)
Vaasa – Tallinn* (6 per week)
Oulu – Tallinn* (6 per week)
Tallinn – Stockholm Bromma, Sweden (3xdaily)

*Flights start November 14th

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Fleet Status:

This winter the Flybe fleet is expected to look like this, accounting for the aircraft being sold to Rand Merchant Bank of Johannesburg for immediate lease to South African Express.

Q400: x51
E75: x4
E95: x14

ATR 42: x4
ATR 72: x9
E70: x2 (lsf Finnair)

The new routes mean that the airline will operate an additional 96 flights each week, with this in mind, can we see any fleet additions to the Flybe Nordic fleet. Maybe the introduction of the Bombardier Dash 8 Q400, transferred/operated by Flybe UK? I had also expected that we'd start to see some linking of the two operations, maybe a Manchester-Helsinki service or similar. Either way, it's great news the airline is expanding and that we've finally had some more news regarding the Flybe Nordic operation. Hopefully re-branding will commence soon.

Sources:
Flybe.com
Planespotters.net


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User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10508 times:

Great to see Trondheim there and so many new routes to Estonia. The new connections to Sweden feed AY nicely. Hopefully they will open new routes to Denmark soon, as planned.

From AY press release:

"The deal by which Flybe Nordic acquired Finnish Commuter Airlines was finalised earlier in August. Flybe owns 60% of Flybe Nordic and Finnair 40%.

The new routes, which will also be included in Finnair’s flight schedules, will be flown as code-share flights. Finnair Plus customers can accumulate frequent-flyer points on the Flybe Nordic flights."

The new routes will also complement feeder traffic to Finnair’s international connections."

http://www.finnairgroup.com/en/index.html

[Edited 2011-08-24 04:08:00]

User currently offlineLucce From Finland, joined Jun 2011, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10185 times:

Great news indeed. Finland has been oddly disconnected from Scandinavia until now.

I Hope they will expand their fleet soon, maybe more E170's? Also the CEO of the new company, Mike Rutter, said in Kauppalehti that they will hire 100-125 new employees in Finland and also said that they'll get decent contracts as opposed to the kinds FR and DY do.

But the news isn't all good, it seems the have streamlined their on board service to match the mother company meaning it's BOB now. This also means that their flights will have dedicated seats and economy plus class. But as the flights will be so short it won't matter IMO. I kind of like their current livery but if it has to go so be it. Just hope they won't put the awful red uniforms on their crew.


User currently offlineilari From Finland, joined Jul 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9814 times:

I'm excited but a bit worried with TMP-TLL 3 x daily. Will they have the passengers? They won't have much connections at either end and gotta remember that BT started TMP-RIX 2 x daily and they do have good connections from Riga. I'm not usually right but I could see also FR starting TMP-TLL.

User currently offlinejamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 544 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9477 times:

Meanwhile, good to see that flyBe.fi is now open for business:

http://fi.flybe.com/

EDIT: and, as a quick PS, the first chance to see a (model) of the ATR in FlyBe colours, around 0:29 into today's report on YLE News:

http://areena.yle.fi/video/1314209085906

[Edited 2011-08-24 14:12:47]

User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8379 times:

Pretty good stuff. How long until FlyBE has to re-brand to reflect their more euro/Scandinavian presence? The ATR looks great in the FlyBE colours IMHO.


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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2630 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7462 times:

Quoting bmibaby737 (Thread starter):
Q400: x51
E75: x4
E95: x14

ATR 42: x4
ATR 72: x9
E70: x2 (lsf Finnair)

Have there been any announcements as far as fleet planning is concerned? What will happen to the ATR's, which have now become the "odd" aircraft in the fleet?


User currently offlineLucce From Finland, joined Jun 2011, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7334 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 6):
Have there been any announcements as far as fleet planning is concerned? What will happen to the ATR's, which have now become the "odd" aircraft in the fleet?

Their CEO said in an interview that four additional would be brought in to Finland. To "brought in"-part would imply that they already exist and perhaps would be transferred from Flybe UK. To answer your question, I think ATR's will stay because Finnair has bought them from Finncomm and said it would lease them to the new company.


User currently offlinetraveler_7 From Estonia, joined May 2000, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7086 times:

Quoting ilari (Reply 3):

I'm excited but a bit worried with TMP-TLL 3 x daily. Will they have the passengers? They won't have much connections at either end and gotta remember that BT started TMP-RIX 2 x daily and they do have good connections from Riga. I'm not usually right but I could see also FR starting TMP-TLL.

Well Tallinn-Turku 2x daily is a bit surprise as well, especially taking into account that no connections like TMP-TLL-BMA
or TKU-TLL-BMA are possible. Most probably they target point to point market. Looks like some aircrafts will be based in TLL?

Even if FR will start TMP-TLL how low price may be including all taxes and charges?

It is nice that Tartu got 6x weekly flights. But I was expecting at least one or two morning flights.

Regards,
Sven


User currently offlineilari From Finland, joined Jul 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

Quoting traveler_7 (Reply 8):
Looks like some aircrafts will be based in TLL?

Yeah, at least at TMP and OUL they only seem to have a 20 min turn over.


User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6731 times:

Quoting traveler_7 (Reply 8):
Looks like some aircrafts will be based in TLL?

According to the FlightForum.fi two ATR-72's will be based in TLL.


User currently offlinetraveler_7 From Estonia, joined May 2000, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6663 times:

Quoting HELyes (Reply 10):
According to the FlightForum.fi two ATR-72's will be based in TLL.

It means that they expect quite a lot of pax on TLL-TAM and TLL-TKU routs.


User currently offlinejamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 544 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

Quoting AvroArrow (Reply 5):
Pretty good stuff. How long until FlyBE has to re-brand to reflect their more euro/Scandinavian presence?

Well, given that BE has rebranded three times, from Jersey European to British European, FlyBe British European and finally just FlyBe, I'd guess that their current identity is intended to be strong enough across most countries and languages.

Quoting bmibaby737 (Thread starter):
I had also expected that we'd start to see some linking of the two operations, maybe a Manchester-Helsinki service or similar.

Since posting earlier, this thought has stuck with me as well. To all intents and purposes, FlyBe Nordic is isolated from its sister operation in the UK. While Finnair are unlikely to want any competition between their mainline operations and their new joint investment, perhaps one day BE will link it's regional hubs with HEL? Perhaps BHX, MAN or EDI, although I'm guessing that those would be pretty long flights for the Q400 (2-3hrs?)


User currently offlinetraveler_7 From Estonia, joined May 2000, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6037 times:

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 12):
Since posting earlier, this thought has stuck with me as well. To all intents and purposes, FlyBe Nordic is isolated from its sister operation in the UK. While Finnair are unlikely to want any competition between their mainline operations and their new joint investment, perhaps one day BE will link it's regional hubs with HEL? Perhaps BHX, MAN or EDI, although I'm guessing that those would be pretty long flights for the Q400 (2-3hrs?)

Taking into account that FlyBe Nordic is registered in Sweden, who knows how it will develop, also flight TLL-BMA is slightly out of scheme of connecting Helsinki with other destinations.
As to long flights on Q400, some companies do not afraid to use turboprops on longer routs. For example recently UTair started Moscow Vnukovo - Tallinn with ATR-72 flight time is more that 2hrs. But FlyBe has many Embraers which can be used to connect new market with their hubs... .

Regards,
Sven


User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6004 times:

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 12):
Quoting bmibaby737 (Thread starter):
I had also expected that we'd start to see some linking of the two operations, maybe a Manchester-Helsinki service or similar.
Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 12):
perhaps one day BE will link it's regional hubs with HEL? Perhaps BHX, MAN or EDI, although I'm guessing that those would be pretty long flights for the Q400 (2-3hrs?)

BHX, MAN, EDI would sound cool, though Mike Rutter from BE said in Finnish media that they have no plans to open UK-Finland routes. I think the aircraft wouldn't necessarily be the problem, FlyBe Nordic have Embraer-170's, ex-AY inherited from FinnComm and probably more available from AY if needed.

Mike Rutter said they will open more routes next year, also St Petersburg in Russia was mentioned.


User currently offlineilari From Finland, joined Jul 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5739 times:

Quoting HELyes (Reply 14):
also St Petersburg in Russia was mentioned.

From TMP, if I remember correctly. And TMP-OUL is also being planned.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5730 times:

Don't forget AY serve MAN-HEL themselves


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User currently offlinetraveler_7 From Estonia, joined May 2000, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5672 times:

What about MAN, BHX or EDI -BMA
I think that it would not compete directly to AY own traffic?


User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 16):
Don't forget AY serve MAN-HEL themselves

AY have been willing to find feeders for their thinner routes especially, though the unions are not too happy for that.

Quoting traveler_7 (Reply 17):
What about MAN, BHX or EDI -BMA
I think that it would not compete directly to AY own traffic?

Expanding in BMA and in Sweden generally sounds like a natural step, curious to see what will happen there... Probably they will stay inside the Nordic/Baltic region for a while though.


User currently onlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5251 times:
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Quoting HELyes (Reply 18):
AY have been willing to find feeders for their thinner routes

Don't forget it's 2 daily? I wouldn't normally expect that to be in place for a thin route.


User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5166 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 19):
Don't forget it's 2 daily? I wouldn't normally expect that to be in place for a thin route.

I ment their Embraer-routes generally, AY already moved a couple of their E-170's to ex-FinnComm to cut the costs but the pilots were very much against the idea.


User currently offlineLucce From Finland, joined Jun 2011, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4946 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 19):
Don't forget it's 2 daily? I wouldn't normally expect that to be in place for a thin route.
AY needs to have two daily return flights to feed both "waves" to Asia. The morning one from HEL transports passengers arriving from their southeastern destinations to Europe and feeds the more northern Asian destinations with the return flight. The evening flight takes the passengers arriving from the Northern flights to Europe and feeds the southern ones with the return. It's pure nescesity and no indication of how "thin" the route actually is I'm afraid.

Having said this, I think it's no longer viable to have an aircraft based in the European city to operate those feeds since AY introduced the midnight "southern wave". Previously they trialed with Meridiana that they could replace those four flight with two (departing Europe for HEL to arrive at roughly 15.00 and take the passengers from the Asian flight arriving at that time to Europe) but this is obviously no longer possible.

[Edited 2011-08-29 06:37:22]

User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

The first ATR-72-500 in Flybe livery, will be based in TLL it seems:

http://www.flyfinland.fi/index.php?page=viewphoto&photoid=3470


User currently offlinetraveler_7 From Estonia, joined May 2000, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4714 times:

Quoting HELyes (Reply 22):
The first ATR-72-500 in Flybe livery, will be based in TLL it seems:

http://www.flyfinland.fi/index.php?p...=3470

Waw! "www.flybe.ee" they are serious about Estonian market! This is nice.

Took a look on timetable for TLL-BMA flights.
It looks like one ATR-72 will be based in Bromma, or at least will spend night there. Anyway I do not get to morning flights from BMA to TLL first at 7:00 second 9:50 and then one evening flight. Why no afternoon flight? Also TLL is the only distention from BMA for FlyBe Nordic... .


User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Quoting traveler_7 (Reply 23):
Also TLL is the only distention from BMA for FlyBe Nordic... .

AY probably is tempeted to leave the HEL-BMA route for Flybe Nordic... Anyway, we will see more new routes next spring they say.


25 F28 : Well...They have to sell the FlyBe Nordic to the swedish public. Finnair is very popular and well known brand in Sweden. FlyBe is unknown... I also w
26 HELyes : Same in Finland, FlyBe is unknown and the big public don't know the link to AY. FlyBe Nordic advertise a lot in Finland already though. Sweden is ver
27 F28 : Fore sure there has to come a lot of advertising in both Sweden and Finland. But still....I will be very suprised if FlyBe starts more routes out of
28 HELyes : Yes feeding HEL but also to provide point-to-point connections. They have said they want to become a significant regional player in the Nordic/Baltic
29 virginson937 : Im guessing that the E195 in the video G-FBEM, was bringing the FlyBe officials up to Finland for the conference? Or was it more for the media? Will
30 traveler_7 : As for now they will fly single point to point route out of Sweden and this is Tallinn. What is the reason then for registration company in Sweden? I
31 bmibaby737 : Both.
32 spud757 : no need to rebrand.... flybe is the rebrand from British European. Wonder if we'll see BE codeshare on AY operated UK-HEL services from LHR and MAN.
33 airevents : This is all excellent news and the fares on their website are really low. I am tempted to book a flight just for the sake of it. Anybody has any idea
34 HELyes : I really hope cute Air Aland Saab-340 keeps flying... On the MHQ-HEL route they will compete with FlyBe ATR-42 now but MHQ-ARN is all theirs still. T
35 Post contains links and images HELyes : The first ex-FinnComm ATR-72 in Flybe colors, looks good: View Large View MediumPhoto © Helmut Schnichels
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