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UA Flight Returns To Gate Because Of Plane Book  
User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3077 posts, RR: 36
Posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 29522 times:
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Looks like UA did it again, and this time it's possibly concerning for all of us:

http://vancegilbert.com/?page=blog

Returned to the gate because a passenger was reading a book about airplanes?!


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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 29421 times:

I know someone always says this in one of these threads, but "I truly don't think we're getting the entire story here". I mean I feel terrible for anyone who is yanked off a plane after a return-to-gate, then allowed back on only to have in the back of their mind that everyone on that plane has bad thoughts about you. At the same time, I cannot imagine an F/A getting razzled over a fanny pack that needed to get moved and a book about aviation history. Something is fishy here   


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User currently offlineblueflyer From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jan 2006, 4190 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 29299 times:
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I sincerely hope there's more to the story than what we've read so far, because if there isn't, we have reached new depths of stupidity/paranoia I wouldn't think possible even in my worst nightmare.

Getting kicked off a plane for reading a book?!? Please tell me we're missing the part where the book title looked at first glance to be "blowing up planes for dummies."



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10674 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 29295 times:

Well, I don't think he needed to play the race card, but you wonder what got the F/A so worked up about the book? What could have been more harmless? Why didn't she ask him what he was reading, first and maybe take a look it at, herself?

Paranoia, paranoia............................................



Having said that, it would be interesting to hear another viewpoint on this incident, wouldn't it? Either one that corroborates his story or otherwise.



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User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1685 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 29179 times:
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I often read aviation books while flying. I recently read "Tiger on a Leash", about the Northeast DC-6A that crashed onto Rikers Island, and "The Left Seat", by Robert Serling, which was about a DC-7B crash. I guess I need to be more careful about what I read on a plane in the future.

Bob Bradley



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User currently offlineflyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 998 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 29118 times:

Quoting L1011 (Reply 4):
I often read aviation books while flying. I recently read "Tiger on a Leash", about the Northeast DC-6A that crashed onto Rikers Island, and "The Left Seat", by Robert Serling, which was about a DC-7B crash. I guess I need to be more careful about what I read on a plane in the future

Its just so sad that we could even get to the point that we need to worry about what we read. I feel for this guy, I would hate to be singled out and asked such questions especially based on a book.



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 29113 times:

Definitely a case for an eBook reader  

Nimish



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User currently offlinerobsaw From Canada, joined exactly 6 years ago today! , 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 29073 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):
Something is fishy here

Or nothing is fishy at all (about the person taken off the plane) and we've just moved one step closer to airline hell.


User currently offlinevegas005 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 28915 times:

The USA has done over the cliff...whining wimps everywhere. Don't flame me folks, I'm American and I am sick and tired of this bs!

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15841 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 28861 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):
I know someone always says this in one of these threads, but "I truly don't think we're getting the entire story here".

I'd say this is probably the case.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 6):
Definitely a case for an eBook reader

Then he could be kicked off for using an electronic device.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2507 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 28663 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 3):
Well, I don't think he needed to play the race card,

Agreed- I don't think race had anything to do with this incident- could have easily happened to a Caucasian as well. I would like to hear the other side of the story, as I suspect there may be more to it.



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User currently offlinephxIAHszxJNU From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 28575 times:

I wish there was more to the story than this, but with the current environment permitting paranoia, I am apt to take his word sadly.


James
User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1159 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 28552 times:

I thought the name was familar...Vance Gilbert.

Although I've never met him, he is very well-known in the scale rubber-powered model airplane world and has been for over 30 years. He has a knack for finding obscure modeling subjects and making them fly, winning many major national awards. I would be suprised if there is more to this story than meets the eye based upon his reputation with fellow modelers.

Russ Farris


User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 28429 times:

I think the "warning light" went off because of the way the man was dressed as described in the third paragraph.
If wearing a sport shirt and jacket, no one would have given the fellow a second look.
Appearance is important in life.....it IS judging a book by the cover i.e. first impression.
safe



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User currently offlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 28362 times:

Having a fanny pack is crime enough if you ask me, and a Hawaiian shirt - that I would have to judge on a case-by-case basis but I would generally look upon such a thing unfavorable. But honestly (and seriously), WHY did this guy have to throw race into the mix? That seems like such a leap and makes me question whether the rest of the story is believable as told or whether he embellished any details or jumped to any other illogical conclusions.


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User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 772 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 28030 times:
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I really feel sorry for the guy and hope for UAs sake that there is more to the story, than what is being told here. If not I guess he will have a field day claiming racial discrimination in court.
Since he was let onto the plane again, after police questioning, UA sure does not seem to have a good case...

Quoting robsaw (Reply 7):
Or nothing is fishy at all (about the person taken off the plane) and we've just moved one step closer to airline hell.

Hopefully not, but I am afraid that you might be right...

I will be very careful when selecting my reading material for my next flight in the US, that's for sure!



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User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 27858 times:

I think he had to throw race because... it is hard to understand how a 50+ years old bespectacled man reading about planes and wearing a Hawaiian shirt can be a threat. I am not surprised it could have played a part.

This crew is a shame for United.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21590 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 27794 times:

For someone who flys a lot like he obviously does, he KNOWS you can't put anything behind your feet.

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 10):
Agreed- I don't think race had anything to do with this incident- could have easily happened to a Caucasian as well. I would like to hear the other side of the story, as I suspect there may be more to it.

Agreed. It's gender profiling maybe, but hardly racial profiling. I mean, if he were Arab and 25? Maybe I could see his point. But he's an older black man. He's not the profile anyone is looking for here.

Now, drive a nice car in Beverly Hills? Then he might get pulled over and he'd have a valid argument...



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User currently offlinerdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1828 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 27488 times:

"I silently wept the whole flight to DC. I've never been so frightened or humiliated. I'm shaking even writing this."

Melodrama much? This guy is clearly exaggerating and it honestly sounds like although they should NOT have gone back to the gate, that the police and TSA handled the matter very professionally.


User currently offlinedalalways From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 27312 times:

Everyone has failed to point out this was a regional carrier.....not UA. He said he was on an Embraer, which is not part of the mainline fleet. It seems regional carriers make their own rules, a few months ago I was on a UA Regional flt and the FA took my Starbucks and put it in the overhead compartment, she said I couldn't hold it for take off.   

User currently offline2a674 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 27150 times:

Hmmm. Something I have noticed the last 10 years. I'm sure that more than a few of us read Airways or Airliners. I can remember usually finding the magazines at airports. Now, Good luck! The only place I have found them was SEA.

Connection perhaps?


User currently offlinedalalways From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 27032 times:

Quoting 2a674 (Reply 20):
Hmmm. Something I have noticed the last 10 years. I'm sure that more than a few of us read Airways or Airliners. I can remember usually finding the magazines at airports. Now, Good luck! The only place I have found them was SEA.

Connection perhaps?


I purchase that in ATL, SDQ, AUS, SAT.....there are plenty of airports that I still find it in.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3461 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 26756 times:

Are you kidding me? This has to stop. We are in America, freedom for all. This is ridiculous, had the book been how to fly an Embraer, I'd see some concern. There is being alert, and then there is absurd. Bad PR for the carrier. Seems a shame it's gotten to this kinda stuff. Hope the paranoia pendulum swings back the other way again, at least a bit.


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User currently offline01pewterz28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 26753 times:

Btw this was NOT a United Airlines mainline flight but a UNITED Express flight operation ( Trans States Airlines) under a UAL Flight # so let's not all get upset with United for the lack ok knowledge foe the Flightcrew of this flight. This is sad to see and if this is the whole story what a mess they caused.

User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5856 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26607 times:

This is Boston (where I lived for several years). The same city whose residents shut the entire city down over some guerrilla advertising pieces that included a circuit board, which most of the locals seemed to think was justified. The place is far more paranoid than New York or DC despite not actually having fallen victim to any terrorist attacks.

My guess is that the deadheading pilot who started the whole ruckus was a commuting Bostonian.


25 EPCOT : Yes, there is always more to the story. This isn't even a news article, it is a writeup on his personal blog. Was it racial profiling? I seriously dou
26 rdh3e : Should probably get your carriers straight before you start smearing them. Trans States does not fly E170's for UA. Only S5 does.[Edited 2011-08-24 1
27 mcdu : Doing investigations for many years this story is not complete without BOTH sides of the story. Quite often what the investigations I have done have r
28 BCEaglesCO757 : Is this Inside Edition.com or Airliners.net ? I was expecting a link to ABC,NBC,etc. Possibly a Newspaper link. But the guys personal blog ? Thats mak
29 flyorski : Based on your response I take it you have no life experience with being profiled.
30 NathanH : Oh, I get it. Real victims know to just shut up and take it.
31 rdh3e : Not on race, but other factors I sure have. But you can hardly say he was profiled based on this description. Do you have any idea of how many Africa
32 varigb707 : Dang.... The terrorists have won. I'm not just saying it. Not making fun of this whole situation. This is exactly what they wanted. That's a shame. T
33 type-rated : What if he had been a private pilot student and was reading his ground school textbook? OMG, that could have been worth a jail sentence! The day is co
34 Argonaut : Maybe you're right, but I wish I could be really certain. Oh, absolutely. A Hawaiian shirt always means trouble. Especially with planes on it. rj
35 planereality : Like I just said on twitter (the story is all over) Can ANYONE corroborate this story? Or everyone just take him for his word because its a touchy sub
36 01pewterz28 : Sorry Shuttle America still again A UAX flight.
37 mcdu : Real victims work with the offending company and lawyers to settle a wrong. Those that contributed to their own problems usually take to the mass med
38 ozark1 : Vance, I am just thinking that it had to be something else. Near the anniversary of 9/11 i don't blame any crew member for any actions that they find
39 Post contains images SonomaFlyer : This makes me wish I practiced in Civil Rights Litigation... I'm sure if UAX/UAL etc has a different take on it with a legitimate security concern, th
40 SouthernDC9 : Is air-based racial profiling seriously an issue? I'd say I've been on a total of 30 flights this year (a tiny number compared to many on here, I know
41 Maverick623 : Um... hate to burst your bubble, but 2 of the 4 airplanes hijacked on 9/11 departed from BOS. Also, most of you in this thread should be ashamed of y
42 seabosdca : And were actually used to attack New York City. I would not have criticized Boston for absolutely over-the-top paranoia if I had not experienced it p
43 IndyWA : There's more to this story than what is being told..and before anyone goes off on "racial profiling", maybe you should find out the ethnicity of the F
44 Post contains images KELPkid : When I read the thread title, and took the title at face value, I thought it was because someone left an important maintenance log for the plane behin
45 Post contains images TransIsland : Agreed. A brother wearing a Jimmy Buffett shirt is most definitely suspicious.
46 Post contains images sw733 : I imagine all 8 members in that world are very well known Seriously, does that world make the US Supreme Court look like a packed dance club? {ROTFL}
47 soon7x7 : Tell that to Janet Nepolitano, Mr. Obama and Eric Halder. Now let me finish "the Downing of TWA800" in pieces please!
48 ThirtyEcho : What is next, people arrested for reading the safety card?
49 falstaff : They better stop selling aviation magazines at the airport! Next time I won't bring Airways when I fly and bring Trains Magazine instead. Be careful
50 aviateur : This is an annoying story all the way around, but especially in the way it depicts this as a UNITED flight. It was NOT a United flight; it was a Unite
51 Post contains images sw733 : Sweet, glad I apparently know the codes on a.net... I know it's a joke, but lets at least try to be realistic on this thread The rest of that stateme
52 beeweel15 : Just to much easy panic happening and people fanning the flames to incite others to panic. Example although not aviation but it did effect it . Yeste
53 DC8FriendShip : Not if they don't mind paying the fine if caught...
54 dalalways : I pointed that out several posts before yours.....so it has been brought to the attention of this thread
55 dalalways : My first F/A base was BOS with United.....we were a very security/safety conscious base....it was a small base that really felt the losses from 9/11
56 Post contains images dalalways : Amen and thank you!
57 aviateur : Yes, thank you for bringing that up. The "Lite Brite scare." What an embarrassment. It's true that BOS was the boarding point for the 9/11 hijackers,
58 bearste : Mr. Gilbert needs to man-up.
59 aviateur : Or how about, a couple of years ago, the MIT student who showed up at Logan with an electric sign around her neck. She was greeting somebody at bagga
60 ordpark : Perhaps an overzealous - junior F/A for Shuttle America...I'm surprised that the F/O didn't come back and check it out before returning the trip to th
61 einsteinboricua : He's brought a bomb. Wouldn't surprise me. Trying to remember the details of the aircraft for your next plot. Honestly, the story is just biased. I,
62 AvroArrow : I don't know about the rest of you, but the guy who got singled out for wearing gaudy aviation related clothing while reading plane porn sounds like t
63 lightsaber : That was actually my first thought. Sigh... there is probably more, but when is making us safe making us sterile? Lightsaber
64 tu154 : Just a note. This is NOT UA...... t's United Express. So we didn't do it again as the author speculates. As noted in a previous thread....another bott
65 USAIRWAYS321 : The major carriers don't want the media and passengers to figure that out until the regional carrier does something wrong. The major carriers can't h
66 cschleic : You shouldn't have to (other than some obvious choices in any public situation). But if that's the attitude we take after such an incident, we're onl
67 SEA : I guess I probably should stop reading psychological thrillers when I fly; I don't want to be labeled a mentalist by the TSA!
68 Maverick623 : So because Boston wasn't a "target" means we shouldn't care about what goes on there? I get that Boston might be a paranoid city, but at least they h
69 airport1970 : And similar replies.. What is really annoying to me is I can use the United website to book a ticket, check in with United at the airport, board an a
70 burj : Gee wonder why? Maybe because the plane says "UNITED" on it...they bought the ticket from "UNITED" and it has a "UNITED" flight number? Putting the w
71 BN747DFWHNL : A couple of things occurred to me when I read this blog and several of the replies to it in this forum: 1) When I read Mr. Gilbert's account of the in
72 n729pa : I always remember years ago (circa 1988) being told off by a Pan Am stewardess for taking pictures shortly after take off from Seattle for London. No
73 BMI727 : ...and this is why people need to be careful who they let use their brand. It might have been a subcontractor, but United is on the hook for this, in
74 Post contains images ACDC8 : Let this be a lesson to all of you working on your PPL ... leave your copy of "From The Ground Up" at home And to all those going on about it wasn't U
75 wn700driver : Agreed. I am so sick and tired of hearing majors use that tired excuse. When they authorize a company to paint their colors (or some facsimile thereo
76 AF1624 : I wonder what would happen if I got on a 737NG and started reading the FCOM for that plane, going through the QRH, and referring to the FTCM from time
77 Post contains images TCASAlert : I drew some interested looks from the cabin crew on my last Ryanair flight - I was sat in an aisle seat with my laptop on watching "Air Crash Investig
78 Post contains images nclmedic : This is the problem with telling flight attendants that they're part of the fight against terrorism! Maybe a question of too little service offering t
79 PI767 : Hey....I have a question. Was this an actual United flight or a United Express flight operated by a regional carrier? Hey...I have another question.
80 GullAirACK : To be fair, it is not the management of the Majors that make this distinction. It is generally hard working employees on the affected major airline t
81 airport1970 : I think you are trying to make some sort of point. What is it? There was never any question here that this was not a 'United' flight. Re-read MY earl
82 EDICHC : You can hardly blame Joe Public for this. For all the major carriers that 'franchise' out their identity in this fashion it is a commercial decision
83 EBGflyer : I suppose it's just an example of pure ignorance and a result of fear mongering in the media and politics. What happened to the land of the free? It'
84 planesmith : I do so hope that United didn't break his guitar as well...
85 AWACSooner : You're good bro...I do it all the time.
86 Post contains links redtag501 : I have to agree with those who feel there is something more to this story that is wanting, particularly in light of Mr. Gilbert having played the race
87 ridgid727 : While those of us in the industry know it wasn't UNITED, United is selling tickets on their Express Carriers and passing them off as United. Then wit
88 MNMncrcnwjr : Don't worry ... The Rush Limbaugh show's guest host Mark Belling did three hours on this topic yesterday (8/24/2011) He and the callers were in agree
89 Bennett123 : When is UA going to give it's take on the situation.
90 Grid : Same here. I was seated in front a Boeing employee once and a pilot for the U.S. Army who were discussing plane crashes while we were taxiing to the
91 machnumber : When is this paranoia going to end? I can't forget the day when I was questioned by a TSA guy about why I had airshow dvd's in my luggage. I had a rea
92 milesrich : Have you ever noticed, or is my imagination, but these incidents usually happen on Regional Aircraft, not mainline aircraft. Remember the UA Regional
93 01pewterz28 : Nope they have both UA flight numbers and the LH Flight number if it's flown with a LH flight crew/LH equipment is a LH flight, if it's a UAL flight
94 Grid : Perhaps never. I don't know that it will end - it might get worse but probably won't end. Fear is big business and a lot of people now have an intere
95 maxpower1954 : Nowhere does your quote "difficulty being American" appear in Mr. Gilberts blog, and I read it six times to be sure. I didn't get the impression at a
96 falstaff : I do it all the time and nobody has ever said anything to me. because they sell them.... It is no different than watching DVDs of car/motorcycle raci
97 dalalways : Yup I read all the posts above mine.....hence why I was the first one to point out it was not a UA Mainline flight.
98 dalalways : Not irrelevant...the policies are not United's Flight Crews and Flight Attendants are trained on their carrier's policies, not United's. The third pa
99 mcdu : The articulation of the blogger does not dismiss him culpability. Very articulate and business savvy people have made public gaffs. Need we bring up
100 StuckInCA : Only people who work in the airline industry would possibly think this way and, basically, you're out of your mind. United essentially outsourced thi
101 D L X : But you have to admit: being black is a much more common reason to be mistreated than reading a book about airplanes. I mean, honestly, if someone sa
102 Grid : Irrelevant because If the facts as stated are true and the guy vigorously purses a claim and wins, he could collect from United. Irrelevant because i
103 thrufru : News flash... Boston suffered significantly from the terrorist attacks, too. And regarding the guerilla advertising, Bostonians had nothing to do wit
104 mcdu : How do you know UA will do anything? How do you know United is guilty of anything? You are basing your judgement on a blog. This is not a news source
105 Bennett123 : Has there been any reaction from UA yet.
106 Grid : I don't know that UA will do anything, and I did not say United was guilty of anything. I said I was guessing. What part of "guessing" do you not und
107 DALelite : How arrogant to make such an comment. Why not just take it for real how this man expirienced the situation? Such incidents have happened to me severa
108 Post contains images Maverick623 : I suggest you go back and read the posts that say "Shame on UA", "Shame on Americans" and "Shame on the industry for being paranoid"... all comments
109 tu154 : The minute the author of the letter stated he was African American sends a red flag in itself. I would never include in a complaint letter or other th
110 loggat : Same company. That one was a US Express ERj-145 LGA-SDF operated by Chautauqua (same company as Shuttle America), diverted to PHL. Tefellin was an un
111 D L X : You would if you got tossed out of a diner in the hood! Your belief that it is automatically not about race is just as bad if not worse than someone'
112 Grid : I was wondering where you got the number of two billion people. Yes, I just read the entire act last night. So what? It's still the freest county in
113 planereality : Ok- 112 posts later... Who has corroborated this man's story?
114 Maverick623 : Implying that the aviation system in the western world has collapsed. I disagree... let's agree to that.
115 flyorski : I am not implying any such thing. I am saying its sad that I will now think about what I bring to read on an aircraft. I do not have to, however in t
116 Alasizon : Since I'm someone who for the past couple of trips has read books such as Emergency in the Cockpit, I think this is just another odd case where detail
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