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OAG Changes 8/26/2011: AA/AS/DL/FL/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7718 posts, RR: 15
Posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12621 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".



9E DVL-JMS DEC 0.7>0.4 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0
9E ESC-IMT JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.8 MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7

9V MIA-BLA SEP 0.9>0.6

AA DFW-GRR DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 3>4 MAR 2>3 APR 2>3
AA DFW-GSP DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
AA DFW-HOU DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8 MAR 7>8 APR 7>8
AA DFW-SAV DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 3>4 MAR 2>3 APR 2>3

AC SEA-YYC OCT 1.9>1.5

AD XJF-VCP SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>0.9

*AM BRO-MTY SEP 0.2>0.4 OCT 0>0.4 NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.5 MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.4
AM JFK-MEX DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
AM MCO-MEX OCT 1.5>1.6 DEC 1.6>1.8 FEB 1.6>1.3
AM ORD-MTY OCT 0.9>0.6

AS LAS-STS JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7
Christmas flights I bet
*AS LAX-ANC DEC 0>0.3
AS LAX-PVR DEC 1.0>1.2 JAN 1.0>1.1 FEB 1.0>1.2
AS LAX-SJD NOV 1.9>1.7 DEC 2>1.9 JAN 2>1.7 FEB 3>1.8
AS LAX-YVR FEB 5>4
AS PDX-LAX FEB 6>5
AS PDX-SFO FEB 6>5
AS PDX-SJC JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
AS PDX-SNA JAN 4>3 FEB 5>3
AS PDX-YVR NOV 2>1.9
AS SEA-ANC DEC 12>13 JAN 12>13
AS SEA-DFW FEB 4>3
AS SEA-FAI FEB 4>3
*AS SEA-FAT JAN 2>0.9 FEB 3>0.8
AS SEA-LAS NOV 8>7 DEC 8>7 JAN 8>7 FEB 9>8
AS SEA-LAX NOV 11>10 DEC 11>10 JAN 11>9 FEB 12>10
AS SEA-LGB NOV 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
*AS SEA-MCO JAN 1.0>1.9 FEB 1.0>3
*AS SEA-MSP JAN 2>1.1 FEB 3>1.0
AS SEA-PDX NOV 22>20
AS SEA-SJC JAN 5>4 FEB 6>4
AS SEA-YLW FEB 3>4
AS SEA-YYC FEB 4>3

BR SFO-TPE SEP 1.5>1.3

Interesting
*BW MCO-KIN SEP 0>0.2 OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3

CA LAX-PEK NOV 2>1.6 DEC 2>1.6 JAN 2>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 2>1.7

CI LAX-TPE MAR 1.9>1.8

CO EWR-HKG JAN 1.0>0.7
CO EWR-PEK JAN 1.0>0.9
CO EWR-PVG JAN 1.0>0.9
CO GUM-CNS JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3
CO IAH-MZT NOV 1.1>0.8
CO SEA-ANC NOV 2.0>3

This is a code share tag I suspect that is mis-coded in OAG
CX DFW-SFO NOV 0.9>0.4 DEC 1.8>0.8 JAN 1.9>0.9 FEB 0.5>0.3

Note that most of these changes are DEC only and probably are caused by Christmas adjustments.
DL ATL-AEX DEC 5>4
DL ATL-BHM NOV 11>10 DEC 11>9
DL ATL-BNA DEC 11>10
DL ATL-CAE DEC 10>9
DL ATL-CHA DEC 10>9
DL ATL-CHS DEC 11>10
DL ATL-CSG DEC 5>4
DL ATL-ECP DEC 8>7
DL ATL-EWR DEC 11>10
DL ATL-GPT DEC 6>5
DL ATL-GSP DEC 10>9
DL ATL-HPN DEC 7>6
DL ATL-HSV NOV 10>9 DEC 10>8
DL ATL-ILM DEC 7>6
DL ATL-LEX DEC 8>7
DL ATL-LIT DEC 9>8
DL ATL-MGM NOV 10>9 DEC 10>9
DL ATL-MHT DEC 2>1.4
DL ATL-MKE DEC 7>6
DL ATL-MYR DEC 4>5
DL ATL-ORD DEC 11>10
DL ATL-PLS MAR 0.8>1.0
DL ATL-PWM DEC 2>1.5
DL ATL-RDU DEC 12>11
DL ATL-RTB MAR 0.2>0.3
DL ATL-SAV DEC 10>9
DL ATL-SDF DEC 8>7
DL ATL-STT APR 1.2>3
*DL ATL-STX FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.5>0.2
DL ATL-TRI DEC 9>8
DL ATL-XNA DEC 6>5
DL ATW-MSP DEC 5>4
DL AZO-MSP NOV 2.0>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 APR 1.8>1.0
DL BDL-MCO DEC 2>1.5
DL BOS-LHR OCT 1.9>1.7
Pittsburgh is not doing well lately.
*DL BOS-PIT NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0
DL CMH-RDU DEC 1.5>0.7
DL CVG-ATL DEC 7>6 JAN 7>6 FEB 8>7 MAR 7>6 APR 7>6
DL CVG-BWI DEC 4>3
DL CVG-CLE DEC 1.9>1.4
*DL CVG-CUN DEC 0.2>0 JAN 0.1>0
DL CVG-EWR DEC 4>3
DL CVG-MDT DEC 1.9>1.4
DL CVG-ORD DEC 6>5
*DL CVG-SAN NOV 0.9>0.6 DEC 0.9>0.4 JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 0.9>0.4
DL CVG-TPA DEC 2>1.4
DL CVG-XNA DEC 1.9>0.9
DL DCA-ATL NOV 15>14
DL DCA-CHS DEC 1.8>1.3
DL DCA-GRR DEC 0.8>0.5
DL DTW-ABE DEC 4>3
DL DTW-AVL DEC 2>1.0
DL DTW-AZO DEC 7>6
DL DTW-BGM DEC 3>1.8
DL DTW-BGR DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 3>1.5
DL DTW-BNA DEC 7>6
DL DTW-BTV DEC 4>3
DL DTW-BUF DEC 8>7
DL DTW-BWI DEC 6>5
DL DTW-CMH DEC 7>6
DL DTW-CVG DEC 7>6 JAN 7>5 FEB 7>6 MAR 6>5 APR 7>6
DL DTW-DAY DEC 4>3
DL DTW-DFW DEC 6>5
DL DTW-ERI DEC 4>3
DL DTW-FNT DEC 4>3
DL DTW-GSO DEC 4>3
DL DTW-GSP DEC 4>3
DL DTW-HPN DEC 4>3
DL DTW-ITH DEC 3>1.8
DL DTW-LEX DEC 6>5
DL DTW-LIT DEC 1.8>1.4
DL DTW-LSE DEC 2>0.5
DL DTW-MBS DEC 7>6
DL DTW-MDT DEC 5>4
DL DTW-MSN DEC 8>7
DL DTW-MSY DEC 1.9>1.4
DL DTW-OKC DEC 3>1.8
DL DTW-OMA DEC 4>3
DL DTW-ORD DEC 8>7
DL DTW-PVD DEC 6>5
DL DTW-RST DEC 1.3>0.9
DL DTW-STL DEC 6>5
DL DTW-TVC DEC 6>5
DL DTW-TYS DEC 4>3
DL DTW-YQB NOV 1.9>1.8
DL DTW-YYZ DEC 8>7
DL FLL-TLH DEC 0.9>0.4
DL FNT-MSP DEC 2>1.4
DL IAD-MSP DEC 4>3
DL JAX-MSP JAN 1.1>2
*DL JFK-BDL NOV 1.0>0.2 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
DL JFK-BUF DEC 5>4
DL JFK-PIT DEC 5>4
DL JFK-RIC DEC 5>4
DL JFK-ROC DEC 4>3
DL JFK-YYZ DEC 4>3
DL LAX-CMH DEC 0.5>0.2
DL LAX-IND DEC 0.6>0.3
DL LAX-MSY DEC 1.8>1.3
DL LAX-RDU DEC 0.5>0.2
Wow, big temporary cut!
*DL LAX-SFO DEC 11>7 JAN 11>7 FEB 12>10
DL LGA-AVL DEC 1.0>0.5
Again, note these are likely Holiday cuts that averaged over the month seem large
DL LGA-BOS DEC 13>10
DL LGA-DCA DEC 13>10
DL LGA-ORD DEC 11>10
DL MBS-MSP NOV 2.0>1.1 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0
DL MEM-BOS DEC 3>1.9
DL MEM-BWI DEC 3>1.9
DL MEM-COU DEC 3>2
DL MKE-MSP NOV 7>6
DL MLI-MSP DEC 3>1.9
DL MSP-ANC NOV 1.2>1.0
DL MSP-OMA DEC 7>6
DL MSP-RIC DEC 1.0>0.5
*DL MSP-TVC NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
*DL MSP-TYS NOV 0.9>0.0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
DL MSP-YQR NOV 2>1.9
DL MSP-YUL NOV 2.0>1.7 DEC 2>1.0
DL MSP-YWG DEC 6>5
DL MSP-YXE NOV 2>1.9
DL SLC-BNA DEC 1.0>0.5
DL SLC-BOI NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5 FEB 7>6 MAR 6>5 APR 7>5
DL SLC-EWR DEC 1.9>1.3
DL SLC-RAP DEC 2>1.4
DL SLC-YVR NOV 2.0>1.8

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12677 times:

Weird??? Mistake?
**FL ATL-ACY JAN 0.4>2 FEB 0>3
*FL BWI-AUA DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3

HA LAX-HNL DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3
*HA SEA-HNL DEC 1.5>1.3 JAN 1.5>1.0 FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 1.4>1.0 APR 1.4>1.0

JQ HNL-SYD NOV 0.6>0.7 DEC 0.6>0.8 JAN 0.6>1.0 FEB 0.6>0.8

OZ LAS-SFO NOV 0.2>0.0
OZ LAX-SAN NOV 0.8>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0

SV IAD-RUH NOV 0.2>0.3 DEC 0.1>0.3 JAN 0.1>0.3 FEB 0.2>0.3 MAR 0.1>0.3
SV JFK-JED NOV 0.4>0.6 DEC 0.4>0.6 FEB 0.4>0.6

UA DEN-CUN JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.8
Response to F9
*UA DEN-PSP DEC 3>4 JAN 2>4 FEB 3>5 MAR 2>4
UA DEN-PVR DEC 0.6>0.3
UA IAD-CUN JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.8
UA LAS-PSP OCT 2>3
UA ORD-CUN JAN 3>1.1 FEB 3>1.6
UA ORD-HKG JAN 1.0>0.9
UA ORD-PEK JAN 1.0>0.8
UA ORD-PVG JAN 1.0>0.8
UA SFO-BOS SEP 6>5

UN JFK-DME OCT 0.7>0.5 NOV 0.7>0.4 DEC 0.7>0.4 FEB 0.3>0.5

US CLT-CDG APR 1.0>0.7
US PHL-AUA FEB 1.0>0.9 MAR 1.0>0.9 APR 1.0>0.9
*US PHL-FPO JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>0.1
US PHL-FRA APR 2>1.9
US PHL-GCM JAN 0.8>0.5 FEB 0.9>0.6 MAR 0.9>0.6 APR 0.9>0.6
US PHL-PLS JAN 0.9>0.5 FEB 1.1>0.7 MAR 1.2>0.7 APR 1.1>0.6
US PHL-PUJ DEC 1.2>1.6
US PHL-SJU JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4 APR 5>4
US PHL-STT JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0.7
US PHL-SXM JAN 0.9>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.8 MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0.7
US PHX-GDL FEB 4>3 MAR 3>2 APR 3>2

V2 FLL-FPO NOV 0.8>0.7 DEC 0.9>0.7 JAN 0.8>0.7 FEB 0.9>0.8 MAR 0.9>0.7 APR 0.9>0.7
V2 LIT-VPS NOV 0.4>0.0
V2 PIE-VPS SEP 0.6>0.4 OCT 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.6>0.4 JAN 0.6>0.4 MAR 0.6>0.4 APR 0.6>0.4
V2 SDF-VPS NOV 0.6>0.0
V2 SFB-VPS SEP 0.6>0.3 OCT 0.6>0.3 NOV 0.6>0.3 DEC 0.6>0.3 JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
V2 UTM-VPS SEP 0.4>0.3
VS JFK-LHR FEB 4>3

W2 BOS-KEF SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3

Y4 FAT-GDL NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0.3 JAN 1.0>0.3 FEB 1.0>0.3 MAR 1.0>0.3 APR 1.0>0.3
Y4 LAS-GDL SEP 1.1>1.3 OCT 1.0>1.3 NOV 1.0>0.4 DEC 1.0>0.4 JAN 1.0>0.5 FEB 1.0>0.4 MAR 1.0>0.4 APR 1.0>0.5
*Y4 LAS-MEX SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3
Y4 LAX-AGU NOV 0.3>0.1 DEC 0.3>0.1 JAN 0.3>0.2 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.3>0.2
*Y4 LAX-GDL SEP 4>2 OCT 4>2 NOV 4>0.5 DEC 4>0.5 JAN 4>0.6 FEB 5>0.6 MAR 4>0.5 APR 4>0.7
*Y4 LAX-MEX SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3
Y4 LAX-MLM NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0.3 JAN 1.0>0.3 FEB 1.0>0.3 MAR 1.0>0.3 APR 1.0>0.3
*Y4 LAX-TLC SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.6>0 NOV 0.5>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.5>0 FEB 0.6>0 MAR 0.6>0 APR 0.6>0
Y4 LAX-ZCL NOV 0.7>0.1 DEC 0.7>0.1 JAN 0.7>0.2 FEB 0.8>0.1 MAR 0.7>0.1 APR 0.7>0.2
Y4 MDW-GDL NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0.3 JAN 1.0>0.3 FEB 1.0>0.3 MAR 1.0>0.3 APR 1.0>0.3
*Y4 OAK-GDL SEP 2>1.7 OCT 2>1.6 NOV 2>0.5 DEC 2>0.5 JAN 2>0.6 FEB 3>0.6 MAR 2>0.5 APR 2>0.7
Y4 OAK-MEX NOV 0.5>0.3 DEC 0.6>0.3 JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
Y4 SAN-GDL SEP 1.0>0.8 OCT 0.5>0.7 NOV 0.6>0.3 DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
Y4 SAN-MEX NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0.3 JAN 1.0>0.3 FEB 1.0>0.3 MAR 1.0>0.3 APR 1.0>0.3
Y4 SJC-GDL NOV 1.4>0.5 DEC 1.4>0.5 JAN 1.5>0.6 FEB 1.5>0.6 MAR 1.4>0.5 APR 1.5>0.7

ZK CNY-DEN MAR 0.6>1.3 APR 0>1.0
ZK CNY-PGA OCT 1.8>0.8 NOV 1.9>0.9 DEC 1.8>0.8 JAN 1.9>0.9 FEB 1.9>0.9 MAR 0.6>0.3
ZK DEN-LBL OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.8 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7
*ZK LAS-PGA OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
*ZK LBL-PUB OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0


User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 2019 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12424 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL CVG-SAN NOV 0.9>0.6 DEC 0.9>0.4 JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 0.9>0.4

Interesting that they're not seasonally suspending the flight like they did last year despite the cut in flights.


User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2706 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12266 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
**FL ATL-ACY JAN 0.4>2 FEB 0>3

Most likely a mistake, especially since ACY has never had 3x daily to ATL.... it is possible that subsidy money bacame available somehow, but I doubt it!!



I have no association with Spirit Airlines
User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 611 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12227 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO EWR-HKG JAN 1.0>0.7

Interesting considering CX's wishes to continue their expansion on JFK-HKG



ET In NYC
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12140 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 2):
Interesting that they're not seasonally suspending the flight like they did last year despite the cut in flights.

I did not realize that. Then it is still good news.

Quoting nkops (Reply 3):
Most likely a mistake, especially since ACY has never had 3x daily to ATL.... it is possible that subsidy money bacame available somehow, but I doubt it!!

The service is still cancelled for March so it is odd. I suppose it is a filing error.

Quoting AA787 (Reply 4):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO EWR-HKG JAN 1.0>0.7

Interesting considering CX's wishes to continue their expansion on JFK-HKG

JAN is probably not the best month to judge the route's success.


User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12081 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
W2 BOS-KEF SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3

Who is W2?


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12069 times:

With all due respect to the time spent doing this each week, I question how accurate the AS stuff is.

Going to three SEA-MCO flights daily? Going to less than one daily SEA-FAT all of a sudden?


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6733 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12057 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL BOS-PIT NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0

This was a dumb route DL should never have launched. It was doomed to fail.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12014 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 7):
With all due respect to the time spent doing this each week, I question how accurate the AS stuff is.

Going to three SEA-MCO flights daily? Going to less than one daily SEA-FAT all of a sudden?

If it isn't accurate, you should take it up with AS. I only show their submitted changes. I can see a second flight added in February on as.com, but not a 3rd. Also, note there is rounding involved, so they may have 2.5 flights or something like that.

[Edited 2011-08-24 12:55:11]

[Edited 2011-08-24 12:55:38]

User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11997 times:

*AS SEA-FAT JAN 2>0.9 FEB 3>0.8

Historically, AS runs 1X NS FAT-SEA and 1X FAT-PDX during this period by dropping the morning NS to SEA. WIth OO now in the mix and the need to route the CRJ 700 into FAT each night and back into rotation through SEA, the morning NS to SEA remains during the Jan/Feb 2012 period and the FAT-PDX now continues to SEA. The actual seats in the market are essentially status-quo.


User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6372 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11999 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-SAV DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 3>4 MAR 2>3 APR 2>3

  

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-GRR DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 3>4 MAR 2>3 APR 2>3

  

Nice to see a couple increases on these!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-OKC DEC 3>1.8

Surprises me. Seems like a big cut for a city of that size

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
SV IAD-RUH NOV 0.2>0.3 DEC 0.1>0.3 JAN 0.1>0.3 FEB 0.2>0.3 MAR 0.1>0.3
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
SV JFK-JED NOV 0.4>0.6 DEC 0.4>0.6 FEB 0.4>0.6

Very interesting and some nice increases there!

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*ZK LBL-PUB OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0

Your asterisk is agreed upon by me...very odd route!


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11931 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 11):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-GRR DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 3>4 MAR 2>3 APR 2>3
Nice to see a couple increases on these!

Seasonality seems odd for expansion, however.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 11):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-OKC DEC 3>1.8

Surprises me. Seems like a big cut for a city of that size

I'm guessing they are only running 1 rt during Christmas week and that is how it happens. Surprising it is that weak.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 11):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*ZK LBL-PUB OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0

Your asterisk is agreed upon by me...very odd route!

Your tax dollars at work I'm sure.  


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6826 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11925 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
ZK DEN-LBL OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.8 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7
...
*ZK LBL-PUB OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0

I would presume that they're just going to do one of the LBL flights as a tag-on from PUB. The O&D on that airport pair has got to be approaching one per decade.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Pittsburgh is not doing well lately.
*DL BOS-PIT NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0

That's a tough market with US holding the long-time frequent flyer loyalty and B6 keeping yields down. It might have made sense in summer to feed LHR/CDG/AMS/FCO at BOS.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11860 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
The O&D on that airport pair has got to be approaching one per decade.

To repeat again with anguish...

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):
Your tax dollars at work I'm sure.  
Quoting ScottB (Reply 13):
That's a tough market with US holding the long-time frequent flyer loyalty and B6 keeping yields down. It might have made sense in summer to feed LHR/CDG/AMS/FCO at BOS.

True, but they really added it for LHR based upon when it was announced. Lets hope that BOS-LHR is doing well enough that it no longer needs this unprofitable crutch. I suspect the reverse is true, however.


User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11830 times:

Y4 FAT-GDL NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0.3 JAN 1.0>0.3 FEB 1.0>0.3 MAR 1.0>0.3 APR 1.0>0.3
*Y4 OAK-GDL SEP 2>1.7 OCT 2>1.6 NOV 2>0.5 DEC 2>0.5 JAN 2>0.6 FEB 3>0.6 MAR 2>0.5 APR 2>0.7

Too much capacity into Northern California? Y4 is going to their original plan for FAT, which was less than daily service. AM and Y4 have done well this summer side by side at FAT since April, generating about 13,500 pax in July, but that's not going to continue this winter. The right move for Y4.

But, what's behind the dramatic drop at OAK? OAK-MEX is being cut back as well. Y4 seems to be cutting back in most California markets...


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6826 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11802 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Lets hope that BOS-LHR is doing well enough that it no longer needs this unprofitable crutch. I suspect the reverse is true, however.

The issue with a route like BOS-LHR is that it was never likely to do well right out of the gate, particularly with the AA/BA oligopoly already in the city pair. They'd have to be willing to nurse it for years and commit to a BOS focus operation for feed and frequent flyer loyalty. And as I've said in another thread, AA is having difficulty filling BOS-LHR itself, what with BOS-LHR having shown up several times in the NetSAAvers this summer.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11300 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 16):
And as I've said in another thread, AA is having difficulty filling BOS-LHR itself, what with BOS-LHR having shown up several times in the NetSAAvers this summer.

AA is not having difficulty filling BOSLHR. It was a frequent NetSAAver, just like MIALHR, because it is protecting it's market share against Delta. The MIALHR, BOSLHR and MCOLHR markets were bloodbaths this summer. Cheap fares all around.



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User currently offlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11133 times:

Have the Delta cuts of all the EAS cities shown up here yet? I haven't been able to find any news about if DL backed off of that at all or came to terms with some cities. GLH still seems to be showing service but with CRJs.


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User currently offlinebreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10724 times:

The growing number of sub-daily domestic frequencies for DL seem almost counter-intuitive, and are certainly growing especially at CVG. As a business traveler, I would find that pretty difficult to work with. I can easily understand the logic on international routes, but do we think this strategy really works for domestic service?


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10656 times:

Quoting breaker1011 (Reply 19):
The growing number of sub-daily domestic frequencies for DL seem almost counter-intuitive, and are certainly growing especially at CVG. As a business traveler, I would find that pretty difficult to work with. I can easily understand the logic on international routes, but do we think this strategy really works for domestic service?



Travel falls off the cliff around X-Mas time. With the way this is computed, you won't know for sure what the actual schedule is unless you go into their PDF and look at each route separately over the course of 30 days.

I wouldn't read too much into it.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineFURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 808 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10642 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL BOS-LHR OCT 1.9>1.7
Pittsburgh is not doing well lately.
*DL BOS-PIT NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0

I've heard we're going to see another couple changes in the next few weeks with Boston. A new route, perhaps? Seasonal adjustments? Hopefully something exciting!


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7771 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9915 times:

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 18):
Have the Delta cuts of all the EAS cities shown up here yet? I haven't been able to find any news about if DL backed off of that at all or came to terms with some cities. GLH still seems to be showing service but with CRJs.

No, DL has not cut and of the EAS service yet. Essentially what they did was give the DOT the 90-day notice last month in July. What that means is that DL gave the DOT notice that they could solicit bids for a new carrier to begin service within a 90 day period. DL cannot drop the service under its own decision. DL can only end service if the DOT selects another carrier (or DL again) through the bidding process.

In the event no bids are received, the DOT doesn't select another carrier, or the new carrier doesn't start service in that period, DL will continue to receive payment for the service based on this:

"The EAS program was created to ensure small communities continue to have access to passenger air service. In some cases, airline service in EAS markets is subsidized by the government. The Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 provides that if a carrier is held in beyond the 90-day notice period, it is entitled to receive compensation "to pay for the fully allocated actual cost to the carrier of performing the ...service ... plus a reasonable return on investment that is at least 5 percent of operating costs; and to provide the carrier an additional return that recognizes the demonstrated additional lost profits from opportunities foregone [by continuing to be held in and providing service]."
http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1408

So, DL will continue to operate until the DOT selects a new carrier. The EAS routes fell into 4 categories:

1) Markets where DL is requesting a subsidy where service is currently unsubsidized but is being requested to now support CRJ service
2) Markets where DL is currently subsidized and plans to re-bid requesting a higher subsidy to cover the cost of CRJ service
3) Markets that DL is not going to submit a bid (plans to drop), where Great Lakes is planning to submit a bid (and will have some type of codeshare arrangement with DL)
4) Markets that DL is not going to submit a bid (plans to drop)

Until the bids are submitted and selected, DL is going to be operating status-quo.

Now what and how the government plans to run the EAS program is other matter.

Quoting breaker1011 (Reply 19):
The growing number of sub-daily domestic frequencies for DL seem almost counter-intuitive, and are certainly growing especially at CVG. As a business traveler, I would find that pretty difficult to work with. I can easily understand the logic on international routes, but do we think this strategy really works for domestic service?
Quoting breaker1011 (Reply 19):
Travel falls off the cliff around X-Mas time. With the way this is computed, you won't know for sure what the actual schedule is unless you go into their PDF and look at each route separately over the course of 30 days.

I wouldn't read too much into it.

Based on the way Enilria creates this report, you can't easily determine frequencies per day, particularly during the holiday months. DL has become quite aggressive on adjusting frequencies and capacity based on the day of the week. DL and CO do a lot of this, AA to a lesser extent. What you see with the decimal places often is where they run less frequencies on the weekend, typically on Saturday afternoon/evening & Sunday morning.

DL now is quite aggresive at adjusting capacity during the holiday season. Taking a page from NW, they essentially shut down the airline on 1) Thanksgiving afternoon/evening - Friday morning 2) Christmas Eve afternoon - Christmas morning 3) New Years eve evening - New Years morning. During these times DL only operates a skeleton schedule - primarily only the primary mainline domestic & international routes. Demand during these short periods abruptly falls off a cliff. In addition, during Thanksgiving week and the two weeks around Christmas & New Years DL (like other airlines) operate a holiday schedule which generally decreases capacity and reduces frequency in traditional business markets, and in some cases adds capacity and frequency into leisure markets.

To the average business traveler that does DTW-LGA, ATL-ORD, CVG-BDL they may notice no difference on their weekly commute. What they don't see is the fewer flights on Saturdays or the day after Thanksgiving when they are comfortably at home.

[Edited 2011-08-24 19:54:17]

User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9624 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
OZ LAX-SAN

Do I read this correctly? Asiana doing LAX-SAN? Would someone else be operating this flight?


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9594 times:

Quoting C767P (Reply 23):
Do I read this correctly? Asiana doing LAX-SAN? Would someone else be operating this flight?

Many of these carriers seem to have difficulties or make filing errors when it comes to code-shares. 100% certain it is not actually their flight/metal.



What gets measured gets done.
25 enilria : You are one of the few people who understand that fire sales indicate a poorly performing route. So many people on here do not get that simple fact.
26 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yep. Not your problem, but that is just how it is now. They'll add and subtract flights for whatever they need to do. It seems like May, July, and ma
27 MAH4546 : Not when a a strong competitor enters one of your strong markets.
28 Post contains images SurfandSnow : One of the few upsides/opportunities from the drug war violence (for airlines), I suppose... Interesting... Has AS offered such flights before? Well,
29 nwaesc : Was there a reason why these 2 were broken out from the rest of the DL listings? Just curious... A great move on NW's part (for a lot of different re
30 austexflyer : Sigh. One week I'm going to open this post and see "AA MIA - AUS 0.0 > 2.0" Until then, it will remain AUS-CLT-Caribbean for me.
31 PSU.DTW.SCE : You cannot make that assumption from this data, particularly when looking at the month of December. Again, based on the way this report is aggregated
32 FURUREFA : Let me just say that while the loads on BOS-YYZ aren't great, the yields are absolutely fantastic. And DL knows that.
33 SouthernDC9 : Perfect, thanks for the info!
34 cubsrule : MDWGDL should be able to support a carrier with a sensible cost structure. TZ kept it around until the very end, IIRC.
35 jcarv : 5W is Iceland Express but it must be them. They were already flying through October but they go to 2 flights per week from 4 come September 5th
36 WhatUsaid : The evening Q was cut for the usual Jan/Feb period and returns in the spring as always. The morning CRJ700 is X3 and X6. As I'd noted earlier, the mi
37 FlyASAGuy2005 : This is not new for DL and STX. The service has been on today off the next day since the station re-opened around 2006? with Mon-Wed-Sat 738 service.
38 knope2001 : These are 9E and not DL. Here's what I suspect is the scoop on that. To keep their code “current”, code-share regionals often slap their own code
39 Post contains images enilria : Actually not even that, there is usually a pre and post Labor Day downward shift. I think we are saying the same thing. In that case, if there is no
40 flyguy89 : AFAIK CUN usually only ever was a Saturday route, but U5 is also on CVG-CUN, perhaps they're having an impact?
41 FlyASAGuy2005 : Some years ago, yes but not since the RWY in STT was extended to 7,000ft Before, they would fly direct to STT from Atlanta, carry local pax between S
42 cubsrule : Since when does HA serve ATL?
43 enilria : Referring to past Januarys...In 2009 and 2010 DL had 15 ops in January. They had 5 last year and 0 this year. Seems like a downward trend. Last March
44 Delta2ual : Nobody is blaming PIT. They have seen some service dropped by WN and now DL. And I'm not sure what you're referring to in the second part of your pos
45 enilria : I retrieved the data to prove my point that the days of just cancelling on the weekends are in the rearview mirror. For the week of September 12-18,
46 GullAirACK : Might be a better use of B6 as they grow a true BOS hub.
47 enilria : DL flying PIT-BOS was dumb to begin with, BUT I think the population of PIT deserves some blame for not supporting PIT-PHL on WN. The fares will now
49 knope2001 : Anybody know specifically which EAS markets Great Lakes is planning to submit a bid for? I would guess they are all around MSP. Delta has indicated t
50 steeler83 : Maybe if they would have used something other than a flying tuna can it would have had a chance. I was on a DL CR2 once (PHL-DTW), and that one time
51 ScottB : AA/BA are the clear incumbents in the market. I do understand that Delta has thrown a bunch of additional capacity into the market with the daily 767
52 PSU.DTW.SCE : Listed below are the affected service, with what is known so far: Thief River Falls, MN TVF EAS subsidized 12.0% load factor - no bidders Greenville,
53 Post contains images AVLAirlineFreq : ONCE??? Some of us have spent so much time on a DL CR2, we've established residency and could vote from there!
54 BD338 : A little surprising given that WN just abandoned this market and DL now have it to themselves. Though I guess it might be retracting the market capac
55 LAXintl : Yes kinda amazing they opted to try hourly service again. Deja-vu back to the 1990s when they tried and again failed using 737s. I can certainly see
56 MAH4546 : Which is an increase in capacity. It was 13 weekly 772s during the summer. It is now 21 weekly 75Ls. AA has gone from 3,211 seats a week, each way, t
57 PSU.DTW.SCE : While I appreciate these weekly updates since they hightlight schedule changes, I get very frustrated at the unbased assumptions and hypothesis that a
58 HPRamper : It still hasn't, and I hold out hope that US will exercise some restraint on the route. Looking well into the future, round trip fare PIT-PHL is stil
59 ScottB : If the planes are going out full, they don't need to run a NetSAAver to fill seats close-in.
60 flyguy89 : You're making a circular argument here that cannot be won. Unless you have exclusive, unrestricted access to AA's load factors, yields, and net profi
61 Delta2ual : Very well put. You're the first person on my respected users list. (I never knew how to do this before) LOL
62 Alasizon : I don't think SNA has ever dropped to 3x daily in Feb. Seems like another seasonal cut by AS that frees up some of the 738s to go operate other route
63 slcdeltarumd11 : Delta never seems to learn any lessons from its rounds of failures at LAX. IMHO it all goes back to Deltas problem of not being able to get LAX based
64 slcdeltarumd11 : I typed in a few random dates in November and December and no mainline when does/did delta switch to all RJs and ditch mainline totally on the LAX-SFO
65 OA412 : While these threads were initially interesting, your dramatics, and over-the-top statements have turned a lot of us off to them. You know that this i
66 cubsrule : Delta has had several rounds of abject failure at LAX, perhaps most obviously the dismantling of the small hub/large focus inherited from WA and the
67 Delta2ual : I don't think it has anything to do with that. I highly doubt there are THAT many people in Southern California (especially if they travel at all) th
68 cbphoto : Actually, it's not odd at all, its just going to be a tag on flight, most likely early in the morning. As to why you can book it, that's actually a l
69 cubsrule : I live in a market that's about as fragmented as LAX is, and I'm not sure this is correct. My experience here has been that everyone has a first choi
70 LAXintl : I don't know how many times I need to post it, however there is something called "mind share" in advertising - essentially consumer awareness of your
71 apodino : Wait a minute? Skywest still is a DL feeder out west. The UA contract was added later, but the DL contract never went away. I don't get what you are
72 usflyer msp : The California SkyWest operation was originally operated as DL*. After UA cancelled its affiliation with Mesa/WestAir in the early 90's, SkyWest swit
73 Post contains images enilria : Like MIA-JAX, it was a feed route to help out their struggling LHR service. Either BOS-LHR got better and didn't need the feed or BOS-PIT was losing
74 LAXintl : As usflyermsp mentions, Skywest used to be the California feeder for Delta which it inherited from Western. But during mid-1990s Skywest signed up wi
75 apodino : One would think Delta would have fought harder to keep OO. This was right about the start of the RJ boom, but it was still long before the regionals
76 ScottB : One would think that if one would think Delta would have fought harder to keep the LAX hub they inherited from WA. But if they weren't going to maint
77 enilria : I think a lot of the answer is geography. A big buzzword for airline planners is "overflying". Why are we overflying our hub in EWR/LGA/JFK/PHL/IAD/e
78 WA707atMSP : I took this flight last week, to log PGA. We flew about ten miles north of the Grand Canyon all the way from LAS to PGA. The view was incredible! I'm
79 OzarkD9S : Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall reading an ATW article on OO during the 90's. According to OO, it was DL who pared back LAX firs
80 Delta2ual : Well, thanks for posting it again-I hadn't seen/heard that. That's true. I guess that does make a huge difference. I remember PanAm being the most re
81 Delta2ual : Both resume 3/1/2012 December reduction only Sept 3rd sched isn't loaded, so it's still "proprietary and confidential" information-but nothing exciti
82 cbphoto : Yeah, it really is a gorgeous route! Once, PGA was closed due to an aircraft incident on the runway, so we did LAS-CNY non-stop and flew right over b
83 LAXintl : There certainly might have been behind the scenes issues between DL and OO which pushed them towards United, however I dont think the LAX flight sche
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