An Juneyao 320 ignored the instructions of ATC to abort the approach to make way for a QR 773 which had declared emergency due to low fuel while diverting to Shanghai's Hongqiao airport.
I am sure there is more behind it than written on avherald, but ignoring such instructions is strange.
The 320 was rather short on fuel as well. 2.9 tons remaining will give you more than one hour of endurance, while the 5 tons of the 773 will give you less than an hour...
rowan1mck From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 26 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 17861 times:
Maybe a little off topic, but... it always makes me wonder, when an aircraft diverts to a 'secondary' airport for the same city as its intended destination, why do they position the aircraft to the intended destination? Wouldn't it be more sensible to bus the passengers between airports and just fly home from the diversion field?
moose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2009 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17783 times:
Quoting rowan1mck (Reply 4): Wouldn't it be more sensible to bus the passengers between airports and just fly home from the diversion field?
Well, first you would need to find enough transport to move perhaps several hundred people, their baggage, and any freight between the two airports, and the aircraft would need to be repositioned to the original airport anyway for the return flight, or you would need to move pax, bags, and freight to the divert airport, so why not just send them all to the destination field together?
nyc2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 653 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17532 times:
Quoting moose135 (Reply 5): Well, first you would need to find enough transport to move perhaps several hundred people, their baggage, and any freight between the two airports, and the aircraft would need to be repositioned to the original airport anyway for the return flight, or you would need to move pax, bags, and freight to the divert airport, so why not just send them all to the destination field together?
Not to mention arranging catering for the return flight along with fuel.
Always wonderers if this "last and final boarding call" is in fact THE last and final boarding call.
Tsveto4nik From Azerbaijan, joined Nov 2010, 37 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17393 times:
Quoting mffoda (Reply 1): Can they be shot for that in China?
Sure, absolutely... it's common practice for Chinese pilots, it's written in the concracts... happens almost every day...
Oh, and if it happens in Russia, pilots are being eated by special airport bears immediately after the landing...
In recent days, there have various rumors on "Qatar Airways' alternate landing" spreading on the Internet, which involves Juneyao Airlines to some extent. In this regard, Juneyao Airlines makes the following statement:
1. The event concerned in the various rumors are currently being investigated by civil aviation authorities with no official findings and conclusions have yet been released as of now. Juneyao Airlines is actively cooperating with the investigation by civil aviation authorities and the involved flight crew have been suspended from duty pending on the investigation.
2. The contents of some online discussions are altered from the reality and the true situations of the actual event. In accordance to the relevant rules set by civil aviation authorities, and based on a responsible attitude to the fact, the company will thereby temporarily not be releasing any details during the official investigation.
3. Upon the release of official investigation findings by civil aviation authorities, the company will then release our internal investigation findings as well as the follow-up actions to be taken in addressing the issue.
InsideMan From Vatican City, joined Aug 2011, 193 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16790 times:
Quoting carpethead (Reply 3): Perhaps the Tower spoke to the Juneyao plane in English and the Juneyao pilots didn't understand (or make it look like they didn't understand).
I've met my share of pilots for chinese (startup) airlines and their English proficiency is always scary!
I wouldn't be surprised if this was exactly what happened.....
RubberJungle From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2010, 287 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16618 times:
Much of the so-called "news" about this appears to have been taken as "fact" despite being gathered from Internet forums and rumours, rather than the old-fashioned practice of journalism and verifying information before posting it.
CXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2183 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16514 times:
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Quoting RubberJungle (Reply 11): Much of the so-called "news" about this appears to have been taken as "fact" despite being gathered from Internet forums and rumours, rather than the old-fashioned practice of journalism and verifying information before posting it.
I would think that avherald.com is one of the most reliable souces in aviation news. The report is pretty self explanatory, there is very little chance of misinterpreting what was said.
sw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6072 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12890 times:
Quoting mffoda (Reply 1): Can they be shot for that in China?
Can you see my eyes rolling from here?
Quoting InsideMan (Reply 10): I've met my share of pilots for chinese (startup) airlines and their English proficiency is always scary!
I wouldn't be surprised if this was exactly what happened.....
If the pilot is Korean, like WCARN says may be the case, his English may be better than his Chinese!
hz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11492 times:
Quoting sw733 (Reply 14):
If the pilot is Korean, like WCARN says may be the case, his English may be better than his Chinese!
If that is true, this is true. Though if the pilot was Chinese and with English being taught everywhere in China nowadays, I would believe that younger Chinese pilots have better command of English than the old wise sages. Certainly, that's my experience, and I blame the internet for the youths having better spoken English, but terrible written English.
I would trust avherald, but it seems to soon to know for sure. Were there any other pilots in the area that have posted, ie, a United pilot listening in posting on PPRUNE? I suppose I don't want to believe that Juneyao just ignored the order...
varig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1575 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9261 times:
Quoting InsideMan (Reply 10): I've met my share of pilots for chinese (startup) airlines and their English proficiency is always scary!
I wouldn't be surprised if this was exactly what happened.....
you mean to say that from Chinese to Chinese, English language is mandatory?
boy, I am happy French is still accepted at CDG between tower and pilots.....
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tommytoyz From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1103 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8715 times:
I read an account in German, and that article says the pilot refused to go around because he said he had waited long enough for his turn to land. It also states the pilot had been put on leave pending the investigation. If true, pilots like that have no business flying, not even gliders. Their minds are not working properly.
carnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7699 times:
It appears that Qatar Airways believes its pilot-on-duty acted correctly since http://bit.ly/qhwvAO reports that the airline told a Chinese media that it actually permits its pilots to declare MAYDAY if the aircraft has only 5 tons of usable jet fuel left during a flight and "the MAYDAY declaration was primarily done due to the safety consideration for all passengers and crew members aboard".
It would be really interesting to see how the findings of official investigation will come up with, hopefully it will be released soon...
sw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6072 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7518 times:
Quoting kaitak (Reply 19): What would be the normal alternate be for PVG?
I have to imagine it will always be SHA first, much as it was here. The city is so large that, as proven in this case, one can be open whilst the other is closed. However, if both are closed, my guess would be Hangzhou, Ningbo, and Nanjing first, followed by places like Qingdao, Wuhan, and Nanchang.
carnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7519 times:
Quoting carnoc (Reply 20): How did the QR aircraft come to be flying on low fuel; was it holding for too long?
It was probably holding for too long at PVG before finally decided to land at SHA, there are mixed information as some Chinese reports say the aircraft had been holding around PVG for 2+ hours, some say only about 1.5-hour etc.
Grid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7412 times:
Quoting tommytoyz (Reply 18): I read an account in German, and that article says the pilot refused to go around because he said he had waited long enough for his turn to land. It also states the pilot had been put on leave pending the investigation. If true, pilots like that have no business flying, not even gliders. Their minds are not working properly.
Unfortunately, impatience is big supply worldwide and China is not immune. It is unfortunate that this attitude might be creeping to aviators.
jetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2984 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4908 times:
Quoting rowan1mck (Reply 4): Wouldn't it be more sensible to bus the passengers between airports and just fly home from the diversion field?
Sometimes the diversion field is 500 miles (or more) from the destination.
buses just aren't fesible.
Worked for too many airlines to list. Banktupcy after bankruptcy after bankruptcy.
25 redhair: hahahahahahahaha, you really made my day with this comment
26 carnoc: One of the regional bureaues of Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) has announced the findings and decisions into the incident, and it seems
27 kaitak: They don't do half-measures when it comes to errors! Here's a further report from the Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...p
28 WCARN: Quoting "Note the reference to an error by the QR crew; the Chinese punishment may have been quite harsh, but I can't think that QR will look too kind
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