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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3106 posts, RR: 8
Posted (3 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 13675 times:

OK, we know that Parker is just itching to get another airline to merge with US and we can pretty much agree that this will be inevitable if UA/CO, and to a certain extent SW/FL, bring in a lot of cash as a single entity (like DL has done). But what to do until that times comes?

Every time I look at the US wiki article, I'm a bit frustrated. Noting the improvements US has made over the past decade, I believe that US could expand. So why hasn't it? I don't think that with 10 767s (which I think will be retired when the A350 fleet arrives), 24 A330s, 15 757s, and 22 A350s you'll get far, especially when you focus a lot of service to Europe only.

We know US had authority to fly to China and for whatever reason it was (most likely the lack of equipment) never launched the service. I'm pretty sure the A332 can reach an Asian city from PHL (someone correct me if I'm wrong) or at least from PHX (which can be turned into an Asian gateway).

I'm aware that until the crew issue is not resolved, any growth plans may be hampered, but in the meantime, what can US do right now to solidify its position and grow? Is there any benefit to add more international destinations? More widebodies?

I don't expect for it to become a giant, but maybe reach a size similar to AA (minus the money loss). I think US has potential to become a big player once again, but is this the peak for the airline or is there still room for more growth?


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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 13642 times:

Hmm....PHX as a gateway to Asia.....It could happen but for some reason US does not to have wide bodies in PHX. In fact all of US's widebody equipment is used by servisair for BA and HA operations. The airport has a nice international terminal and US makes use of it for mexico and canada flights along with BA, AeroMexico, Air Canada, and West Jet. I think it would work..Espically with cargo


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 13565 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter):
OK, we know that Parker is just itching to get another airline to merge with US and we can pretty much agree that this will be inevitable if UA/CO, and to a certain extent SW/FL, bring in a lot of cash as a single entity (like DL has done). But what to do until that times comes?

I think if US ever merges with anyone, it will certainly not be with WN, and I don't think UA is likely either.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter):
We know US had authority to fly to China and for whatever reason it was (most likely the lack of equipment) never launched the service. I'm pretty sure the A332 can reach an Asian city from PHL (someone correct me if I'm wrong) or at least from PHX (which can be turned into an Asian gateway).

PHX is subpar for long-haul routes due to the high temperatures. NRT would probably be in range, but once you start looking at major China markets or anything further, those become problematic.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter):
I'm aware that until the crew issue is not resolved, any growth plans may be hampered, but in the meantime, what can US do right now to solidify its position and grow? Is there any benefit to add more international destinations? More widebodies?

US is busy consolidating its operations into strong markets and pulling out of those where they see no long-term benefit or growth potential. Cutting down LGA and building up DCA via the slot swap with DL is one example of this as was pulling down the LAS hub and BOS focus (which are even now still underway). There is no incentive for US to do anything drastic right now. They can afford to wait for some other airline to come knocking or even liquidate, as they are in a fairly strong position as things stand.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter):
I don't expect for it to become a giant, but maybe reach a size similar to AA (minus the money loss). I think US has potential to become a big player once again, but is this the peak for the airline or is there still room for more growth?

There isn't really any room for growth domestically, and you can't expand internationally unless you have the domestic feed. Domestic travel is diluted as it is. US will never be the giant that UA or DL are barring a merger or the liquidation of another, major carrier.


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 13529 times:

PHX is a poor gateway to Asia in geographic terms, socio-economic terms, and weather terms. PHX is too far south which causes significant backtracking for most transit pax, PHX lacks a large base of business passengers to fill the premium seats, and PHX's hot weather compromises the performance of the A332 on long routes such as PHX-TYO (unless it left late at night)

US will maintain its current position as a north america-focused legacy/lcc hybrid with a niche TATL network.


User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2104 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 13504 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter):
We know US had authority to fly to China and for whatever reason it was (most likely the lack of equipment) never launched the service. I'm pretty sure the A332 can reach an Asian city from PHL (someone correct me if I'm wrong) or at least from PHX (which can be turned into an Asian gateway).

US expected to get some A340s on the used market when the 787s rolled out. With all of the delays to the 787 program, those aircraft did not become available. To use A332s or to fly from PHX would have required them to re-apply for approval as the plan submitted was for A342s out of PHL.

PHX will not be the asian gateway for US. Very little local demand in addition to the temperature issues mentioned earlier.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 13303 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 3):
PHX is a poor gateway to Asia in geographic terms, socio-economic terms, and weather terms. PHX is too far south which causes significant backtracking for most transit pax, PHX lacks a large base of business passengers to fill the premium seats, and PHX's hot weather compromises the performance of the A332 on long routes such as PHX-TYO (unless it left late at night)

As long as US has a good domestic network with which to feed a transpac, business traffic from PHX itself is only icing. And as the vast majority of US feed would be from the east coast and southeast, PHX is not too far south by any means and there is a minimum of backtracking. This of course is directed specifically at US which has no other western hub. In other airline networks, PHX would be in a much worse position.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 13273 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter):
I'm aware that until the crew issue is not resolved, any growth plans may be hampered, but in the meantime, what can US do right now to solidify its position and grow? Is there any benefit to add more international destinations? More widebodies?

My vision for US would be different than the US vision for US to some degree. However, I don't have any inside knowledge on their financial and other reasons for doing what they do. Anyhoo.

1. I feel that reducing LGA and BOS reflects the squandering of their assets. They should be the go-to carrier in the northeast: BOS, LGA, PHL, DCA. They should own these markets, or in the case of BOS, compete effectively on second-tier routes. How they got to be just PHL and DCA is (to me) sad.

2. They really need a better western anchor than PHX. It isn't a "bad" hub, but it's poorly positioned. DEN really is the sweet spot, but WN has changed that game forever. Had US purchased F9 prior to WN entering the market, it might have given them time to develop themselves appropriately there. The one thing I don't know is how their Star Alliance membership alongside UA affects such dynamics.

3. They could use a better western presence. That might just never happen, though.

4. I've said it before - new-build 767-300ER's with winglets and all the latest and greatest would seem to be a great replacement for the 762's and offer more flexibility than range-limited 757's and somewhat larger A330's. The price might be right as well.

5. Simplify their multitude of express partners and enhance their sub-100 seat offerings. That will take time.

6. A premium economy product akin to Economy Plus. Simply call is PLUS.

7. I don't know if UA/CO is good for them or not, but if 2015 rolls around and they are feeling surrounded, it might be time to jump ship. Could Oneworld accommodate AA, B6, and US? If so, maybe that's the way to go. If not, then B6 might be the better candidate for AA.

Not sure what else to suggest. Frankly, instead of larger, I think they might almost benefit from a slight slimdown, particularly on the express side. Replace 2 50-seat flights with one E190 or (gasp!) CS100/300 in an F/Y+/Y configuration and let them loose on key business routes.

Oh well, not expecting much. We'll see what happens.

-Dave



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5648 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 13171 times:

Quoting silentbob (Reply 4):
Very little local demand
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 6):
2. They really need a better western anchor than PHX.

I really never understood the notion that PHX is a weak market. While O&D overall isn't enormous compared to, say, DEN or DFW, it's very much holding it's own. Even with the connections, US makes a killing off of the Canadian, Mexican, and Hawaiian markets.

That being said, I also believe that you can't run a single widebody route out of a hub like PHX profitably. Then again, the Hawaiian routes could easily be upgraded to support such an operation.


Also, this summer, mainline departures out of PHX exceeded those of PHL.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 6):


5. Simplify their multitude of express partners

Highly unlikely, as they just signed on OO to take over the 50-seat PHX flying. That makes, what, 7 or 8 express carriers now?



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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 13138 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 5):
And as the vast majority of US feed would be from the east coast and southeast, PHX is not too far south by any means and there is a minimum of backtracking.

To get to Asia from the USA one must go NW. PHX is SW (in most cases significantly) of most cities that would provide transfer traffic. For example, PHL-NRT is about 17% longer if one routes via PHX.

LAX has a similar geographic deficiency but makes up for it by having bountiful O/D (something PHX does not have).


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month ago) and read 13073 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 7):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 6):
2. They really need a better western anchor than PHX.

I really never understood the notion that PHX is a weak market.

Well, I didn't say it was weak, but rather that it was poorly positioned. SEA-XXX-east, I'd rather route over DEN than PHX. As others have mentioned, looking to the future of transpacific operations, PHX doesn't appear to have as desirable of a location as some other western hubs.

Were US to hook up with (eek) AS, then the SEA/PDX/PHX/LAX combo might make things better, but short of that, PHX just seems less-well-positioned then other western connecting hubs.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 7):
5. Simplify their multitude of express partners

Highly unlikely, as they just signed on OO to take over the 50-seat PHX flying. That makes, what, 7 or 8 express carriers now?

I agree. But it's what I'd want to do. Again, I think simplifying things would really be a good thing. One prop and two RJ feeders would seem adequate for a carrier their size. Add the CSeries and lose the 737's and I think they'd have a pretty good fleet.

-Dave



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User currently offlineDelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12588 times:

I still say US should ditch Star and join oneworld.


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User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8568 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12508 times:
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Quoting Delta2ual (Reply 10):

I still say US should ditch Star and join oneworld.

Do you have any reasons? Or is it just something that you like to say?

I imagine that shifting alliances is a very expensive proposition, there is a severance fee to be paid, and a lot of arrangements to be unwound, potential alienation of frequent flyers as they have to change their flying patterns due to the change of partners, so I assume that you feel there are some very compelling reasons for them to change - perhaps you would like to share them?



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3798 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12459 times:
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Quoting Delta2ual (Reply 10):
I still say US should ditch Star and join oneworld.

I couldn't agree more. That's exactly what they should do. I'm not saying AA and US should merge now like DL did with NW and UA did with CO, maybe it will eventually happen in the far distant future (2020s) but US should at least discuss with AA and BA to see if a switch to OW is possible. A few years ago (mid 2000s) nobody thought that CO who was then in Sky Team would ever jump ship and go to Star, it was announced in 2008. I do remember at at one time back in the 1990s US codeshared with BA on TATL routes and AA on the NorthEast Shuttle (LGA to BOS and DCA).

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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12371 times:

Quoting Delta2ual (Reply 10):
I still say US should ditch Star and join oneworld.

I disagree  

To be honest US being in * has given the alliance quite a large addition to the Alliance network - the Caribbean and lots of niche East coast towns which other * carriers don't serve.

I am for one glad that US is in * Alliance, and I hope they stay.



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User currently offlinebonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12194 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9):
Were US to hook up with (eek) AS, then the SEA/PDX/PHX/LAX combo might make things better, but short of that, PHX just seems less-well-positioned then other western connecting hubs.

I think SEA would be ideal for US's Asia traffic. There really isn't any big international competitor there, so US would stand a good chance for competing better against airliners like UA and DL who are offering flights that connect in LAX or SFO. I don't know much about the airport though. Does it have room for expansion?


User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8568 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12172 times:
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Quoting American 767 (Reply 12):
A few years ago (mid 2000s) nobody thought that CO who was then in Sky Team would ever jump ship and go to Star,

Are you serious? For CO at the time it was Skyteam or nothing because of the NW "golden share" which would have blocked them from any other move. CO joined with NW and KL on 15/09/2004, one day shy of a year later NW and DL both filed chapter 11 within minutes of each other, from that moment the writing was on the wall for CO and Skyteam. I don't think anyone ever believed that CO was an enthusiastic and willing member of Skyteam. CO announced their decision to jump ship at the first realistic opportunity, ie, when the golden share died.

In contrast, US took an active decision to join *A, and have built up strong relationships with a number of *A players. Although to some extent they are now in the shadow of the new UA the situation is quite different from CO's situation in Skyteam as there is no direct conflict between the networks of UA/CO and US, whereas the DL JFK/ CO EWR situation really wasn't tenable post DL/NW merger. US have had a previous, unsuccessful flirtation with key OW player BA. I am not saying that they couldn't take a decision to switch alliances, I just don't see what OW currently has to offer them over *A to justify all the costs associated with switching alliances.

On the other hand, if AA were to belly up ( not likely, but not totally outside the realms of possibility given their performance over the last few years) things would be very different, US would have the opportunity to be the lead American player in the alliance, and the other OW members would probably reimburse them the severance fee from *A. In that case I would see them leaping at the opportunity.



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User currently offlinejfritz From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12087 times:

Does anyone think that PHX to FRA would work for US? BA is the only European flight out of this city and its been running well for a while from what I hear...It would be nice to see US, whos based here in PHX jump in and compete fror a virtually untouched European market. Would we be looking at an equipment issue as far as what aircraft could make that flight? Any thoughts on other European cities not just FRA?

User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11981 times:

How would PHX work as an int'l hub? It seems to me that the PHX population is rather small compared to other traditional int'l hubs, and lacks the connecting traffic to make it work in the way DL does with DTW.

Traffic from California isnt going to flow east to PHX to catch an Asian flight, and the same goes for Europe traffic when it is served well from LAX/SFO already.

Also the economy in the PHX area is still struggling, not to mention the housing market.

I think US has a good base of FF business travellers on the East Coast (BOS, NYC, DCA) and should focus on that. If they really want to grow the Europe/Asia markets they should do it from PHL.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1038 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11319 times:

Quoting jfritz (Reply 16):
Does anyone think that PHX to FRA would work for US? BA is the only European flight out of this city and its been running well for a while from what I hear...It would be nice to see US, whos based here in PHX jump in and compete fror a virtually untouched European market. Would we be looking at an equipment issue as far as what aircraft could make that flight? Any thoughts on other European cities not just FRA?

PHX-FRA has a weak local market which is one of the reasons why I think US has not attempted that route yet. They would probably try PHX-LON before anything else.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10884 times:

What airline would be dumb enough to want to merge with US? Not, DL, UA, or WN. US has the lowest customer satisfaction rate of any North American airline. They are financially weak, their stock value has dropped by more than 50% in just the last 3 months (when airlines typically hold their value due to the summer flying). They are forever stuck with Airbus, leaving no room to buy someone else's airplanes in the medium and long haul airliner group.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 6):
4. I've said it before - new-build 767-300ER's with winglets and all the latest and greatest would seem to be a great replacement for the 762's and offer more flexibility than range-limited 757's and somewhat larger A330's. The price might be right as well.

Nope, they can't do it. They can only buy Airbus.

They have labor union problems, which doesn't help their customer service image. They were the airline with the huge baggage problems over Christmas a few years ago.

They couldn't compete with DL, AA, CO/UA, WN, B6, and others in the North East US and are lowering their opeations in BOS, LGA, and PIT. Is PHL next?

US is an airline that deserves to just go out of business.


User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1098 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10776 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
US is an airline that deserves to just go out of business.

I'm sure the 35,000 plus employees of US Airways wish you all the best as well.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3083 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10732 times:

You have to get your facts straight...

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
US has the lowest customer satisfaction rate of any North American airline

Not even close. US was awarded the top customer satisfaction rate in 2010 for any US airline.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
They are financially weak

Financially week? US is financially stronger than AA to say the least, and god forbid there is another recession, US would fare it better than most US airlines.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
They have labor union problems, which doesn't help their customer service image. They were the airline with the huge baggage problems over Christmas a few years ago.

Yes, they have labor union problems, but they aren't the only one. The average joe doesn't pick airline a over airline b because of labor union problems. Most people probably don't even know they have union problems.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
They couldn't compete with DL, AA, CO/UA, WN, B6, and others in the North East US and are lowering their opeations in BOS, LGA, and PIT. Is PHL next?

AA can't seem to compete in BOS either, and US still serves more destinations from BOS than AA and UA/CO combined. They were having problems in BOS/LGA long before WN and B6 came around.

And PIT? Competition doesn't have anything to do with their problems at PIT! It was operating fees.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
US is an airline that deserves to just go out of business.

Hahaha



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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10672 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
What airline would be dumb enough to want to merge with US? Not, DL, UA, or WN.

You might be surprised.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
US has the lowest customer satisfaction rate of any North American airline.

Not true.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
They are financially weak, their stock value has dropped by more than 50% in just the last 3 months (when airlines typically hold their value due to the summer flying).

They are fine financially and most airline stocks have not been doing well, mostly due to the fuel price spikes.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
They are forever stuck with Airbus, leaving no room to buy someone else's airplanes in the medium and long haul airliner group.

I don't know where you are getting this from. US can purchase any plane they want to.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
They have labor union problems, which doesn't help their customer service image. They were the airline with the huge baggage problems over Christmas a few years ago.

They need to resolve their labour problems but it really has not affected their customer service. They just have a different customer service philosophy than many other carriers. Not worse just different.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
They were the airline with the huge baggage problems over Christmas a few years ago.

That was 7 years ago! US has been GREAT strides operationally since the arrival of Robert Isom several years ago. People really need to get over it.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
They couldn't compete with DL, AA, CO/UA, WN, B6, and others in the North East US and are lowering their opeations in BOS, LGA, and PIT. Is PHL next?

US is kicking WN's but in PHL so dont expect any downsizing there. PIT was oversized and unsustainable due its costs. US had has difficulty competing in NYC and BOS sue to their lack of long-haul service and B6's lower costs so they have streamlined down to their four "cornerstones".

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
US is an airline that deserves to just go out of business.

No they don't...they have their niche in the marketplace and they exploit it well. YOu don't have to fly them if you don't like the service they provide. Many people enjoy US and for their sake and the sake of US' employees I suggest that you stop sipping on the haterade and give US a chance.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3083 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10611 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 22):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
US is an airline that deserves to just go out of business.

No they don't...they have their niche in the marketplace and they exploit it well. YOu don't have to fly them if you don't like the service they provide. Many people enjoy US and for their sake and the sake of US' employees I suggest that you stop sipping on the haterade and give US a chance.

He probably had a bad experience on them 13 years ago, and refuses to go back. I know people that are like that. No big deal.



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User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2104 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10535 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 6):
3. They could use a better western presence. That might just never happen, though.

They have drawn down their western presence twice. Once following the PSA merger and once following the America West merger. If they can't keep what they have/get, there is next to no chance of them building it from the ground up.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 7):
I really never understood the notion that PHX is a weak market. While O&D overall isn't enormous compared to, say, DEN or DFW, it's very much holding it's own. Even with the connections, US makes a killing off of the Canadian, Mexican, and Hawaiian markets.

That being said, I also believe that you can't run a single widebody route out of a hub like PHX profitably. Then again, the Hawaiian routes could easily be upgraded to support such an operation.

It's a big market, but not an overly affluent one. It's not as dependent on connections as Charlotte is, but it still isn't as solid as Philly.


25 einsteinboricua : Are you pulling a gentleman's agreement argument like many did with CO/DL/AA and Boeing? Though Airbus helped finance US's bankruptcy exit (and merge
26 Post contains links Grid : Weird then, that US Airways is the second-most complained about airline in the U.S. Of course, all the people who did not complain may be really, rea
27 Maverick623 : While PHL definitely bets PHX in the TATL and O&D, it's not overshadowing PHX like people think it is. PHL still has operational issues (mostly w
28 Post contains links USAirALB : http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...-airways-soars-to-top-ranking.html
29 HPRamper : The first time (PSA) US was not the same airline, so that doesn't apply. Period. Post-HP merger, US pulled down LAS, and for good reason. Unless losi
30 AeroSafari : US does what they can with what they have. The economy is so-so (though its better then in 2008) its not necessarily a good time for expansion. US has
31 Maverick623 : Good point. Even Southwest is cutting some routes this winter. About $3bn unrestricted cash, which is enough. At least they're not bleeding money lik
32 USAirALB : The problem is the lack of power on these planes. All premerger US A319/320/321 series aircraft were equipped with Empower ports, in all classes. The
33 cslusarc : The problem with US is their costs. They have to many older workers and retirees on the books. B6 is without those legacy costs, so it is a winner in
34 maxpower1954 : They are more than happy to pay 2/3rds of the US pilots the lowest wages in the industry than raise them to the level of the West pilot group. They'l
35 Post contains images SurfandSnow : True, but the feeling is hardly mutual - nobody is really "itching" to merge with US. I'm not so sure any near-term merger involving US is "inevitabl
36 Grid : Good article, which covers only two months ... May and June (a year is 12 months) and does not compare those months to the previous year's months. Al
37 einsteinboricua : True. Still doesn't mean it can't expand more. Why not? Yeah...and AA is bleeding money while US continues to rake it in. When compared to the other
38 PlanesNTrains : DL is a prominent competitor, and I think they might put up a fight if US+AS were announced. They enjoy the AS feed at SEA and would be materialy aff
39 HPRamper : There is no need for US to be larger right now. There is already plenty of capacity to go around. They are somewhat financially stable right now, and
40 Delta2ual : No I just like to say it. Seriously, I feel like US would do well in OW. I'm not saying they're not doing well in Star. I just think Star almost has
41 STT757 : I think if US is marketing themselves for a merger they might want to consider spinning off part of their operation, specifically PHX. I think US sepa
42 kiwiandrew : It's funny you should say that, I have wondered about a sort of demerger to make US more attractive to a potential suitor. Two questions come to mind
43 silentbob : That has been a fantasy of the East pilots since America West saved them from liquidation. Not going to happen.
44 Maverick623 : Hmm... that's funny. Last I checked, it was USAPA refusing to accept binding arbitration that put US in the spot where they a) get sued if they don't
45 HPRamper : I don't think the presence of PHX in the network has anything to do with how attractive the airline would be to a suitor. I'm pretty sure yields at P
46 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : Did you look at the date of that year old story from Charlotte? #2 US Airways 1.73 complaints per 100,000 passengers Flight issues and customer servi
47 silentbob : That is true of every major airline, with the possible exception of WN, from what I recall. And cash does not equal worth. In fact, having too much c
48 Viscount724 : I doubt it, especially westbound. PHL-NRT at 5870 nm is over 200 nm further than the current longest A332 nonstop, QF LAX-AKL, 5652 nm. And winds are
49 Post contains links USAirALB : This article is from 2011: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....rticle_print&ID=1545783&highlight= http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....r
50 PlanesNTrains : Uh, not much different than most other carriers. AA just ordered a crapload of new planes. DL now, too. In fact, it seems like the worse shape that a
51 Post contains images Maverick623 : What year old story? I know of certain stations where customer service still needs work, but their on-time performance and baggage handling has consi
52 wn700driver : KCTopboom, Normally I like what you have to say about things. But seriously, where is all this coming from? If your comments were directed at US anyti
53 PITingres : US seems to have improved over the last few years, but I get the impression that they still can't figure out what they want to be when they grow up. O
54 HPRamper : I've been on other airlines that also did the credit card hawking. It's annoying, but not really a big deal and doesn't make me think one airline is
55 D L X : You say this every time in your frequent negative posts about US, and every time you say it, you misunderstand stocks and company valuations. A compa
56 maxpower1954 : For some reason, Topboom has a hatred of US Airways and I guess it's employees, since he wishes them out of a job. I learned years ago that when someo
57 WesternA318 : As a fairly frequent and loyal First Class flyer, and shareholder, I could care less if he flies on US again. We've got a ton of happy and satisfied
58 airlinespotter : I normally do not respond to posts in this forum but after I read this one, I have to put my 2cents in. I don't like fast food. Never did and never w
59 Post contains images WesternA318 : Its pretty asinine isnt it?
60 PlanesNTrains : That's a refreshing perspective. IINM, you are usually coming down on F9 pretty hard. Nice to see that you are coming around to a more reasonable poi
61 Grid : When you say cash, do you mean total cash on hand only? What's uneducated about the comment?
62 wn676 : It does save them money, yes, but I'm not so sure they are "happy" to be doing it. Combining the pilot groups resolves a major headache for all depar
63 WesternA318 : You are correct Planes, however, I had a much deeper problem with F9, not its employees, but its upper management, when I was a shareholder there. Th
64 dbo861 : How would they go about doing this? It's not like PHX is a slot controlled airport. And from what I can tell, there are gates available for an existi
65 Maverick623 : This brings up a good point: in the history of airline travel, an airline has never divided itself in order to be "gobbled" up. It's rather interesti
66 WesternA318 : Back in my TWA days, this way long after Icahn had left, my coworkers were always wondering what would of happened if Ichan had sold off the Domestic
67 Post contains images MSYPI7185 : What is so difficult to understand? The ENTIRE pilot issue is the fault of the US East Pilots and nobody else. US wanted this solved years ago. US ha
68 FutureUScapt : Neither of those is correct.
69 wn676 : At last check I believe PHX has surpassed PHL, but sits behind CLT (and DCA if you count that as well).
70 crownvic : Guess what airline had one of the largest additions of service at LAS in July vs. July '10? US Airways...Not one mention of this in any post. Perhaps
71 usflyer msp : I have extreme trouble believing that PHX is more profitable than PHL, CLT, or DCA. PHL is the main international gateway and both PHL and DCA have l
72 wn676 : I didn't say it was more profitable than CLT or DCA, just PHL. PHX has consistently had more mainline departures than PHL for quite some time now, an
73 AA767LOVER : I think they can stay as they are for now. Unless they shape up their customer service which I find to be way below par - even far below a LCC, who wo
74 AA767LOVER : What do you mean? CO/CO Express along with United Express in EWR/IAD respectively feed very well into niche East Coast cities, as well as more remote
75 SurfandSnow : NK. The Mexican LCCs, particularly Y4. WS. G4. HA. BA. VS. Several airlines have grown in the wake of US dehubbing and WN remaining stagnant (IIRC ev
76 Post contains images wn700driver : Not even a little. LFs are nearly identical there. Keep in mind that NK operates their DFW-LAS at a very undesirable time slot, and also at a time wh
77 D L X : That's a gold star post right there. People I think are way too hung up with PSA (what, 22 years ago) and any time they see US pulling down flights s
78 CoachClass : I can see AA selling its European routes to US and then AA concentrates on its international routes to Latin America and Asia. It's a cheaper way of "
79 Post contains images flyguy89 : I believe that would be slightly illegal. yeah sure, the one US airline with the most desirable slots at the highest demanding/highest yielding Europ
80 PlanesNTrains : Interesting that there is so much "knowledge" of which US hub is most/least profitable. How does this information get communicated? I've not seen thi
81 WesternA318 : Some carriers list it in ther annual reports, or at the annual stockholder meeting. Some carriers, not all. Last meeting at US I went to they stated
82 FutureUScapt : That's certainly not true. As for why the A319, the short runway at DCA necessitates the use of a plane with good performance - so basically, the cho
83 Noise : One thing I noticed: US has a big gab in the middle of the country with no hub/very little presence. Could they benefit from having a hub in a midwest
84 WesternA318 : I believe it was either 2008 or 2009....I've got to go back to my records and look.
85 MSYPI7185 : Asia WAS a hot market. It is better than other regions, but every US airline has either reduced service or deferred new service. Although some of it
86 HPRamper : The gap is covered at the moment by a pretty decent codeshare with UA. Nonetheless, if US were to try to establish a presence in the midsection of th
87 Post contains images FutureUScapt : In 2008 the company lost $800M and cut PHX capacity by 10%. In 2009, the company lost $500M, and while capacity at PHX was flat it certainly wasn't t
88 smoot4208 : PHX will continue to improve with US getting a new contract with YX (better rates), the retirement of the 733s, and the flex banks. That said, CLT is
89 PavlovsDog : As a Portland native I'd love to see it but I can't see them making any money at it. A hub at ANC would be something that could work for them as they
90 Maverick623 : Erm, no. A320s are routinely used for PHX, and I've seen a few A321s make the leg. Not sure if serious....
91 Nutsaboutplanes : PHX is stable right now....not losing money and not making money. What PHX does is make Western US connections possible which in itself strengthens t
92 WesternA318 : I think thats what they were talking about, not financially profitable...my bad!
93 Post contains images FutureUScapt : First off, that is PHX. LAS is another 100mi. Secondly, you'll notice that there's a reason why A321s are rarely used ever and why even A320s are sel
94 wn700driver : read 17 times: If I may... I'll have to look up the specs at work later, but IIRC, there is a difference between the V2500 powered N6xxUW/AW us west b
95 D L X : Really? I don't think I've ever seen a 321 at DCA. (Much as I'd like to.)
96 etops1 : If we ever merge with any of the 3 AA,DL,or UA I can guarantee you that PHX will be gone .
97 HPRamper : Gone has a crucial hub, yes, but it would still be a focus city. There's no way the airline would walk away from such a huge presence in one of the m
98 wn676 : They've been there in the past. One PHX-DCA frequency was flown with an East 321 back in late '07 or early '08, though the return aircraft routed DCA
99 Delta2ual : DL tried just that-and it failed.
100 PlanesNTrains : Other than an AS merger, I don't see any US hub opening in the west. They'll stick with PHX unless and until they strike a deal with someone else. IM
101 wn676 : Guess which airline just axed all point-to-point routes from LAS? US Airways. FAT, SFO, LAX, BOS, and DFW will all be gone by January. The inevitable
102 Post contains images crownvic : wn676..Well, I guess I cannot be right all the time! Just reporting in my last post what the stats from LAS were and not my findings. It's easy to be
103 HPRamper : Things were a lot different at PDX back then, things which made it not very suitable as an international gateway. Now, the airport is in much better
104 wn676 : Haha, well, I suppose that was the wrong tone to send across...but I do think we all saw it coming.
105 Maverick623 : 100 miles is peanuts. What might affect LAS during the summer months is the higher elevation: it sits about 1000 feet higher than PHX, and sees simil
106 wn700driver : It also has a 14,500ft runway! I think you're right though. Capacity is it.
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