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Singapore Air A380 Fleet Utilization  
User currently onlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2367 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15569 times:

This is a operation analysis of Singapore Airlines' A380 fleet.

They currently have 12 aircraft, that operate the following:
2x daily LHR, 2x daily SYD, daily MEL, daily ZRH, daily CDG, daily HKG, and daily NRT-LAX-NRT.

There are 2 proposed routes to my knowledge. (the 3rd LHR flight, and possibly the FRA-JFK-FRA flight)
Illustrated here are the schedules.


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Illustrated here are the allocation of the aircraft.



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To do the 3rd LHR flight and the FRA-JFK-FRA flight they will need 4 more A380s. The JFK route by itself would take up 2.5 A380s.

The way the allocation is illustrated is by aircraft "lanes." Specific aircraft can switch lanes when they are both at SIN for a period of time. So, this is NOT the specific aircraft allocation. The CDG or ZRH routes could both fit in the HKG flight in between them. Singapore Air could ideally fit in another local route here, but I guess they left that space there for fleet maintenance.

If they go forth with bringing the A380 to the FRA-JFK-FRA route, they will only have 2 more planes left for new A380 routes (basically 1 long-haul route).

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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15451 times:

I am sure they will order more A380s. Maybe up to 30 at the very end?

Any news regarding SIN-HKG-SFO going A380?


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15427 times:

The MEL flight is returning to a 744 early next year, so there could be another route out of that...

User currently offlineTCASAlert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15398 times:

Surely they will also need extra frames to give some capacity in the even that one goes tech - as it is here they would have to sub the A380 with a 744, and shift the remaining pax across to other flights.

User currently onlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15339 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 2):
The MEL flight is returning to a 744 early next year, so there could be another route out of that...
Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 3):
Surely they will also need extra frames to give some capacity in the even that one goes tech - as it is here they would have to sub the A380 with a 744, and shift the remaining pax across to other flights.

All 747-400s will be gone by the beginning of next year.


User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15211 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 2):
The MEL flight is returning to a 744 early next year, so there could be another route out of that...

they're only gone for 9-10 weeks. Mid Jan- end Feb: replaced by 744, Mar: replaced by 77W, back in April.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14979 times:

Quoting tayser (Reply 5):
they're only gone for 9-10 weeks. Mid Jan- end Feb: replaced by 744, Mar: replaced by 77W, back in April.

Cheers for that - I remembered reading it but couldn't remember all the details... What was the reason in the end? Maintenance or something else?


User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14524 times:

thanks for sharing !!! any idea about the loads on current routes ?


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14209 times:
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IF JFK an A380 worthy market for Singapore Air ? Wouldn't a 777-300ER be a better plane for the route. Anyone needing J class Singapore - New York flights would be better with thte A340-500 nonstop.

User currently onlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8287 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14034 times:

I don't see FRA-JFK-FRA going to A380 any time soon, if at all. In my opinion, the only way we'll seen a SQ A380 at JFK is when Airbus can deliver one that could fly JFK-SIN non-stop at a profit.
If SFO can't sustain an A380, then JFK sure as hell can't either.


User currently onlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12566 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 8):
Anyone needing J class Singapore - New York flights would be better with thte A340-500 nonstop.

LAX had an all J A340-500, as well as the A380. They surely make it work.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):
If SFO can't sustain an A380, then JFK sure as hell can't either.

SFO does have double daily 777-300ER. upguaging that to 777-300ER and A380 may be a bit excessive.

The JFK route (and another LHR distanced route to go with it) requires 4 aircraft as you can see above. Question is, do they have 4 free 777-300ERs? I guess they could take the ones from the SIN-HKG-SFO route, but that would still not be enough.

They should have ordered extra 777-300ERs much earlier.


User currently offlinebonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11659 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):
I don't see FRA-JFK-FRA going to A380 any time soon, if at all. In my opinion, the only way we'll seen a SQ A380 at JFK is when Airbus can deliver one that could fly JFK-SIN non-stop at a profit.

The SIN-FRA-JFK route is already a 744. I think an upgauge to an A380 is pretty logical for a 1-stop route. I don't think they could fill a nonstop A380, even if it had the legs for the route. That market is handeled pretty well by the all J-configured A345 from SIN-EWR.


User currently offlinemaxfly From Austria, joined Oct 2003, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11349 times:

well, they could also go A380 on SQ 326/325 SIN-FRA-SIN and replace the 744 on SQ 26/25 SIN-FRA-JFK-FRA-SIN by a 77W, the proposed 3rd LHR and FRA flights served by A380s would require 3 units, two of which are in the cabin test flight phase in XFW and the third one being pulled from the MEL route. The three required 77Ws coming from the turnaround flights to LHR and FRA being replaced by A380s. Just a theory of course but maybe possible...... any comments from people who have more insight in SQ's strategies and thinking?

User currently offlinetenthfreedom From New Zealand, joined Aug 2011, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 6666 times:

Well done on putting this together. The format you have used is particularly clear, and easy to udnerstand I think.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (2 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 6595 times:

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 10):
Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):
If SFO can't sustain an A380, then JFK sure as hell can't either.

SFO does have double daily 777-300ER. upguaging that to 777-300ER and A380 may be a bit excessive.

They have different routes. SIN-HKG-SFO and SIN-ICN-SFO.

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 11):
The SIN-FRA-JFK route is already a 744. I think an upgauge to an A380 is pretty logical for a 1-stop route.

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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Quoting maxfly (Reply 12):
well, they could also go A380 on SQ 326/325 SIN-FRA-SIN and replace the 744 on SQ 26/25 SIN-FRA-JFK-FRA-SIN by a 77W

The only problem with this is that SQ 26/25 SIN-FRA-SIN could use an upgrade capacity-wise and SQ 26/25 FRA-JFK-FRA could use a downgrade.

SQ 326/325 is not as popular as its counterpart due to the daytime flight between SIN and FRA. It is also hard to catch it coming from Australia, since it leaves too early. It should probably stay a B77W.

I think the timing of these flights is bound to change once the B744 leave the route.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

Quoting LH422 (Reply 15):
SQ 326/325 is not as popular as its counterpart due to the daytime flight between SIN and FRA. It is also hard to catch it coming from Australia, since it leaves too early. It should probably stay a B77W.

I don't know much about the route -- could the flights be switched? Ie SQ326/325 extended to JFK with a 77W and SQ26/25 moved to an A380, but terminating in FRA??


User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 16):
SQ326/325 extended to JFK with a 77W and SQ26/25 moved to an A380, but terminating in FRA

That would be a departure from FRA to JFK at approximately 10:30 pm with an arrival in New York around 1 am. The return flight would leave JFK at 6 am for an arrival into FRA at 8 pm to match the current SQ325/326 schedules with arrival in FRA at 8:40 pm and a departure back to SIN at 10:00 pm. Very inconvenient flight times for the Atlantic crossing...



WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 17):
Very inconvenient flight times for the Atlantic crossing...

It seems they are - thanks for answering the question!!


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