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Who Gets The 787 After NH?  
User currently offlinealexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1155 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11644 times:

So NH will get the 1st 787, which airline gets the next and when?

Will UA be the first North American airline?


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31417 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11456 times:
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Quoting alexinwa (Thread starter):
So NH will get the 1st 787, which airline gets the next and when?

JL. Their first delivery is being prepared in San Antonio.

AI and CZ may also see their first deliveries in 2011.



Quoting alexinwa (Thread starter):
Will UA be the first North American airline?

Should be.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11013 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
JL. Their first delivery is being prepared in San Antonio.

Awesome! That's the plane that will fly to NRT from BOS! I can't wait to see it!



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User currently offlinedfwrevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11000 times:

Quoting alexinwa (Thread starter):
Will UA be the first North American airline?
Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Should be.

Sort of amazing how things come full circle. UA again gets to be the first U.S. operator of an all-new Boeing type.


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10975 times:

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 3):
UA again gets to be the first U.S. operator of an all-new Boeing type.

And, if plans stay as they are, they'll fly it to AKL - yahoo!

Cheerio
micha


User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10904 times:

Now that the date of the delivery is known, has Boeing given any indication of how many 787s it plans to deliver this year. I thought I read a figure of about 25, which seems a tad high, given that the first delivery is in late September.

User currently onlineyeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 890 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10667 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 5):
has Boeing given any indication of how many 787s it plans to deliver this year. I thought I read a figure of about 25, which seems a tad high, given that the first delivery is in late September.

I believe the latest word from Boeing was rather hazy as both 788 and 748's delivery guidance are combined.
This from Flightblogger back in late July:

"the 787 and 747-8 2011 delivery guidance has been cut by 10 from 25-40 to 25-30 combined units. The airframer gave no initial indication of how the units would be split between the types, but if previous reporting and analyst estimates are accurate, it will be heavily weighted toward 747.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...oeing-lowers-787-and-747-8-de.html

yeo



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31417 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10649 times:
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I would expect only those 787s that are flying by the end of next month will be "deliverable" in 2011 between the time needed to finish them, holidays in the US and the ability of customers to take delivery and integrate into their own fleets during the Holidays.

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3457 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8791 times:

How long do carriers usually take from when they are handed the keys, until the plane enters service? Especially with a new type for the carrier, and maybe even the airlines country?


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User currently offlinelouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

Well, didn't Boeing have quite a few frames built and sitting waiting for certification so they can be fitted and the deliveries fast tracked to the customers?


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User currently offline_AA_777_MAN From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8317 times:

Driving by ORD on the I90 eastbound I saw a billboard with an ANA 787 on it and the slogan was Boeing 787 "we fly it first" . Are there any plans to downgrade the 77W daily to a 787? Or is this just a random advert?

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31417 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7468 times:
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 8):
Well, didn't Boeing have quite a few frames built and sitting waiting for certification so they can be fitted and the deliveries fast tracked to the customers?

Unfortunately, they're sitting around more because it's taking Boeing longer than planned to make them ready for delivery than a strategic "pre-positioning".



Quoting _AA_777_MAN (Reply 10):
Driving by ORD on the I90 eastbound I saw a billboard with an ANA 787 on it and the slogan was Boeing 787 "we fly it first" . Are there any plans to downgrade the 77W daily to a 787? Or is this just a random advert?

The first international 787 route for NH will be HND-FRA. I'm not sure if they can fly to ORD under the restricted operator's ETOPS certificate the Japanese Aviation Authorities will impose on them for the first year of service. Then again, JL can make BOS with the same certificate, so...


User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7220 times:

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 3):
Sort of amazing how things come full circle. UA again gets to be the first U.S. operator of an all-new Boeing type.

Question.. is that UA by-way-of-COA or UA original?



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7186 times:

Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 12):

CO AFAIK, but who cares. Hoping to see UA metal back in NZ really soon


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7042 times:

Anyone know when HU (Hainan) is supposed to get theirs? They want to launch BOS-PEK and they are waiting for the 787 to do so.


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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6252 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 8):

How long do carriers usually take from when they are handed the keys, until the plane enters service?

For a brand new type, 3-4 weeks is pretty normal. For an addition to an existing fleet, a week or less.

Tom.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

Will they fly the UA 787s domestically at first for a bit for crew training etc? It seems to me when the U.S. airlines got the 777s at first they flew them domestically for a bit before they put them on international routes.

User currently offlineInsideMan From Vatican City, joined Aug 2011, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5206 times:

Quoting yeogeo (Reply 6):
"the 787 and 747-8 2011 delivery guidance has been cut by 10 from 25-40 to 25-30 combined units. The airframer gave no initial indication of how the units would be split between the types, but if previous reporting and analyst estimates are accurate, it will be heavily weighted toward 747.

as per http://www.aspireaviation.com/blog/ only seven 787s in 2011.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5037 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 16):
Will they fly the UA 787s domestically at first for a bit for crew training etc?

Operating to Hiroshima and somewhere else within Japan I can't remember off the top of my head, then to PVG in the domestic configuration that the first frame is in, then to FRA early next year once they've received a few more deliveries.


User currently offlineaspireaviation From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2011, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

Re InsideMan,

The link should be here:
http://www.aspireaviation.com/2011/0...m-becoming-reality-its-road-ahead/

The Z24 production plan states 7 Boeing 787s to be delivered to ANA, but my source also says the first 787-8s for JAL, Air India and China Southern Airlines will be delivered in late December.

That would make 10 787-8 deliveries at least.

The point is, given the heavy rework needed for early examples, it is very unlikely that Boeing will meet the late December targets for the JAL, Air India & China Southern.

The same Boeing source also says only 3 of the first 20 examples, LN7, 8 and 9 will be delivered & that other pre-LN20, rework-heavy examples are not likely to complete rework until mid-2012.

We welcome you to discuss this further on http://www.aspireaviation.com.

Thanks,
Daniel,
Aspire Aviation.
http://www.aspireaviation.com


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31417 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4634 times:
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ZA177 has been in San Antonio since March doing change incorporation so I have to believe she's nearly ready. I would expect the main hang-up to delivery will be completing certification for the GEnx1B + 787 combination, as Boeing is still completing flight teasing and has yet to start ETOPS and F&R.

User currently onlineyeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 890 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 18):
Operating to Hiroshima and somewhere else within Japan I can't remember off the top of my head, then to PVG in the domestic configuration that the first frame is in, then to FRA early next year once they've received a few more deliveries.

Inaccurate.
Five domestic Japanese routes are planned (not two):
Starting in November, Haneda - MYJ OKJ ITM UBJ HIJ will all be served successively, (not all simultaneously).

And its PEK, not PVG:
The HND-PEK route is to operate " ... approximately once a week [in December], until the Haneda-Frankfurt service starts the following month.".


http://www.ana.co.jp/eng/aboutana/press/index_sm.html

yeo



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4505 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 18):
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 16):
Will they fly the UA 787s domestically at first for a bit for crew training etc?

Operating to Hiroshima and somewhere else within Japan I can't remember off the top of my head, then to PVG in the domestic configuration that the first frame is in, then to FRA early next year once they've received a few more deliveries.

I think NASCARAirforce was asking about UA's 787s. I suppose they will first be deployed in some domestic routes for crew training before they are sent to AKL and LOS. It'd be interesting if they fly it to DFW or ATL to rub it in their competitors' faces.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 22):
It'd be interesting if they fly it to DFW or ATL to rub it in their competitors' faces.

MOre like they would use it on routes like IAH-EWR, EWR-SFO to get the ground crews at those stations used to handling it.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 22):
I think NASCARAirforce was asking about UA's 787s. I suppose they will first be deployed in some domestic routes for crew training before they are sent to AKL and LOS. It'd be interesting if they fly it to DFW or ATL to rub it in their competitors' faces.

Reading back it seems you are totally correct! Don't know why I started talking about NH when the post says UA  


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