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A Delta 747-400 Is Over 21 Years Old!  
User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Posted (3 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29828 times:

I just can't believe this Delta 747-400 (N663US) is not that new... Build in 1988.

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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29827 times:

does DL fly 744 to NGO from NRT or from DTW ?

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5174 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29757 times:

That's not that old by aircraft standards at all.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29769 times:

So I guess it's okay to put alcohol in the fuel tanks now?  

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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29729 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 2):

That's not that old by aircraft standards at all.

Especially a long haul machine. Lower cycles.



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User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29735 times:

That's nothing. There was a DC-9 that was recently retired that was in its 40s if I recall.

User currently offlinedesertjets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7776 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29700 times:

Looks pretty good in the pre-bowling shoe colors too if I may add.

NW kept their original -100s and -200s for nearly 30 years. So no reason to expect DL to retire the 747s anytime soon.




And realizing what you think is a relatively new airplane is now 20+ years old is the same feeling you get when you are listening to a radio station's throwback hour and realizing that the song you really liked and still think is fresh is in fact THAT OLD.



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29693 times:
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Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 2):
That's not that old by aircraft standards at all.


Still like new...

Quoting September11 (Thread starter):
I just can't believe this Delta 747-400 (N663US) is not that new


not a surprise really. I think NW was the launch customer for the -400.



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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1936 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 29668 times:

Yep, they're getting old. Getting close to 23 years. N663US has been in revenue service longer than any other Delta international widebody aircraft. Flying on 663 is definitely my airline passenger highlight so far.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):
does DL fly 744 to NGO from NRT or from DTW ?

From DTW.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10709 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 29636 times:

Actually 10 out of the 15 Delta 744s are older than 21 years, and they´ll easily will fly 5 years more and beyond.
The other 5 though are fairly young.


User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 29580 times:

How many hours & cycles on the frame? Is it close to a major check?

..given the state of the interior of one DL 744 I flew on last month, I think it must have been 21 years old as well and never updated since the day it was bought  


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 29371 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 7):
I think NW was the launch customer for the -400.

probably correct

Quoting desertjets (Reply 6):
Looks pretty good in the pre-bowling shoe colors too if I may add.

I second that

Quoting na (Reply 9):
The other 5 though are fairly young.

How old is the youngest one?



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User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 29345 times:

NW was the launch customer of the 400. I flew N663US Feb 89 when it was on the MSP-PHX run a few weeks before it
went international. According to the Boeing manufacturers book, N663US was delivered months before N661US.
N661US was build FIRST. Apparently, there was some issues with N661US and that's why it was held up in delivery.
safe



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 29229 times:

can't believe Boeing waited THIS long to even have a proper successor to 744 : 77W in 2003 and 748 in 2011/2012

if EK was a major airline back then we would've seen 747-500 by 1995 already


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1936 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 29050 times:

Quoting September11 (Reply 11):
How old is the youngest one?

N676NW was delivered in April, 2002.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10709 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 28935 times:

Quoting isitsafenow (Reply 12):
N661US was build FIRST. Apparently, there was some issues with N661US and that's why it was held up in delivery.

N661US was the 744 prototype, and its refurbishment to airline standard was the only "issue" why it was delivered after the first five to NWA.


User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1036 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 28907 times:

Quoting na (Reply 9):
Actually 10 out of the 15 Delta 744s are older than 21 years, and they´ll easily will fly 5 years more and beyond.
The other 5 though are fairly young.

Only 15? What happened to the 16th?


User currently offlinebonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 28888 times:

Quoting desertjets (Reply 6):
Looks pretty good in the pre-bowling shoe colors too if I may add.

   That one looks good, and the most recent NW livery looks great on that a/c too.


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 28702 times:

Quoting na (Reply 9):

Actually 10 out of the 15 Delta 744s are older than 21 years, and they´ll easily will fly 5 years more and beyond.
The other 5 though are fairly young.
Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 16):
Only 15? What happened to the 16th?

There are indeed 16, one is in temp storage until March.

Here are the 16 aircraft

N661US 08-DEC-89
N662US 13-MAR-89
N663US 26-JAN-89
N664US 28-APR-89
N665US 01-SEP-89
N666US 18-AUG-89
N667US 20-JUL-90
N668US 26-JUL-90
N669US 20-AUG-90
N670US 31-AUG-90
N671US 29-MAR-99
N672US 19-JUL-99
N673US 24-AUG-99
N674US 18-OCT-99 (In short term storage until March)
N675NW 13-MAR-02
N676NW 18-APR-02



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2178 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 28521 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 2):
That's not that old by aircraft standards at all.

No, that's kind of old. Just not old by ex-NW standards at all.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3195 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 27983 times:

The one in temp storage, why was that particular frame chosen as opposed to an older frame?


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User currently onlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6897 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 27705 times:

I happened to be in DTW shortly after the 744 entered service, and saw a NW 744 at a gate. I don't remember which tail number it was, but it was within a few months of when they got their first one. I was quite pleased to see it.


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User currently offlinemike96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 27282 times:

Quoting isitsafenow (Reply 12):
N661US was build FIRST. Apparently, there was some issues with N661US and that's why it was held up in delivery.
safe

The first three 747-400s built were N661US,N662US,N663US. N661US had Rolls Royce engines on it at first, N662US had GE engines at first and N663US had Pratt & Whitney Engines on it. When Northwest went ahead and chose the PW engines N663US already had them so all that was need was a NWA interior. N663US was the first in service while 661 and 662 had their engines switched to PW4056s.

So their weren't any issues with 661 or 662, they just need to get a NWA interior and PW engines on them.


User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1036 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 27275 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 18):

There are indeed 16, one is in temp storage until March.

Here are the 16 aircraft

Thanks, Burnsie -- much appreciated.

Interesting that NW's first ten 744s were delivered within only 20 months.


User currently offlinemike96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 27203 times:

You can check out some of my videos of these great old birds!


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25 Post contains images ATA L1011 : Agreed, Agreed !
26 LAXtoATL : Usually the decision is based on maintenance schedules. It is likely that particular airframe had timed out on cycles and was (is) due a heavy mainte
27 Dalmd88 : Only 15 aircraft are needed to support the current schedule, including maintenance spares. At least one of the older airframes is due to be retired s
28 RWA380 : Thanx for the explanation of my question those answers totally make sense. Kinda like why I drive my old pickup more regularly than my newer car.
29 CX747 : It's amazing to think that the first book I got on the 747 only had photos of models up to the 747-300. The -400 was just entering service!!! Heck, th
30 JohnClipper : Don't think that is how it worked. These always had P&W on them. VR-HOO (B-HOO) was the first RR powered 747-400 used for certification and D-ABV
31 Western727 : Correct. They always had P&Ws. I remember being in high school in Seattle at the time and am almost 100% certain the CX bird was the first with R
32 DLdiamondboy : 21 years is nothing. I flew on a DL DC-9-50 this morning from MDT-ATL that was at least 30 years old. The pilot must have been a ex Navy fighter pilot
33 PSU.DTW.SCE : Heck, the DC-9-30s that DL retired last year were 42-43 years old. That being said there are a number of D95, A320, 757, 763, MD88 aircraft that are o
34 Viscount724 : It's very common that the first aircraft delivered to the launch carrier is not the first one built for that carrier.
35 BOAC911 : yes, by aircraft standards. not international or first-world standards.
36 woodsboy : I find it hard to consider the 744 an "old bird" when it is still in production. 744s of today are more or less the same as they have been with minor
37 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Negative. Take a look at the rest of Delta's fleet. There are 757s flying around the country with other carriers that are older by several years comp
38 kiwiandrew : Except of course that it isn't still in production, IIRC the last 744 produced was delivered nearly 2 years ago.
39 stratosphere : Thats when I flew on it 6303 was the ship number I always when I worked for NW flew on any new a/c we acquired didn't get first class though. Also fl
40 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : The last 744 built was the -400ERF freighter below, one of two built for LoadAir Cargo of Kuwait. But they didn't put them into service and both airc
41 rwessel : Boeing was shopping around the -500X and -600X in 1996. Couldn't get anyone to bite.
42 Post contains images CXB77L : While I share the same sentiment about finding it hard to consider the 744 as "old", I should point out that it is no longer in production. Since the
43 mir2069 : I am pretty sure 2 are owned and 14 leased,so when the lease is up they will either replace with 777 or 748.
44 na : No news on these two. Very odd that they are parked up since two years, while all used 744Fs coming to the market are being snapped up in short time
45 FlySSC : Air France's B744 F-GEXA began services with UTA almost 22 years ago on September 22 1989. Will be retires from service at thé end or this year 2011
46 Transpac787 : Close, but 4 are owned and 12 are leased.
47 pliersinsight : So I read this: Then I read this: And am now obligated to write "So that means it has been 22 years since the exterior Air France's plane was washed".
48 Post contains images EI1989 : It's the same age as me, so it's not that old at all In all seriousness though, if an aircraft is well maintained I see no problem with such a bird st
49 Drerx7 : That's B.S. In terms of age the aircraft is not old by any standards - especially when aircraft cycles is more relevant than chronological age. Now i
50 RWA380 : Just like a car, if you change the oil, rotate the tires and do the recommended maintenance in a timely manner it will last a long time.
51 Post contains images readytotaxi : That's the nice thing about tradition, it doesn't have to be true, it's just tradition.
52 BOAC911 : I want my wine aged, not my plane. And I'm willing to pay top dollars for it.
53 exFWAOONW : I don't understand this anet thing that an a/c MUST be retired as soon as it reaches a double-digit age. These are mulit-million dollar machines that
54 Dalmd88 : I'm a DL mechanic. I drive a 1996 Toyota truck with 220,000 miles on it. I see no reason to get rid of it. It could use a new sound system though. No
55 Transpac787 : Post mod-work, the DL 747-400's will have much nicer & more spacious J-class and Y-class cabins than the younger A330's in the fleet. Unless you
56 isitsafenow : If you haven't flown piston, you haven't flown. safe
57 OzarkD9S : Bingo! Made my day...
58 alexinwa : Off topic..............Isnt the 1st 777 16 years old? Amazing. God Im getting old.
59 Post contains links Bottie : Still at MZJ: http://airteamimages.com/117649.html
60 United1 : First flight was in 1994 so a little over 17 years at this point...
61 dbo861 : Speaking of, when is this mod work supposed to begin? (If it hasn't already) When will we see the first one in service?
62 longhauler : Everyone has illogical superstitions restricting the aircraft and airlines on which they fly. I have heard examples like; not flying on airlines of a
63 FlyASAGuy2005 : Was suppose to be the fall as far as I know. With the fleet so underutilized at the moment, shouldn't be too hard. Work will be done in HKG with a se
64 Coronado : The inbound 744 from NRT to MSP looked PRISTINE today at least from the outside as it coasted in over northern Eagan/Mendota Heights shortly beforer 1
65 cslusarc : The mystery to me is why some airlines are abandoning their 747-400s faster than others. For example, QF who are retiring a whole bunch of RR-powered
66 spacecadet : You can't assume that. For one thing, there's a fallacy that assumes that a two engine plane will use half the fuel of a four engine plane - that's n
67 Post contains images gkirk : When will DL order A380s? They seriously will not be able to compete with other airlines if they don't? Somebody had to say it
68 na : In another thread it is rumoured that there will be an announcement soon of a customer ordering 15 748Is. A customer who before had turned that plane
69 dbo861 : That would be awesome, but why would Delta spend millions to update the interiors of their existing 744s if they were going to replace them so soon?
70 na : As much as I know Delta is going to operate its 744s for at least another 5 years, the younger ones likely even longer. Such a timespan makes it wort
71 dbo861 : Do you have a link to this thread? I can't find it.
72 Post contains links na : Somewhere in this long thread: 747-8 Commitments "in The Near Future" (by mffoda Aug 11 2011 in Civil Aviation)
73 VV701 : Exactly. It is easy to overlook the relative prices of aircraft now and what they cost twenty, twenty-five or even more years ago. To take an extreme
74 Thrust : I honestly hated the fact that the media attacked TWA after Flight 800. They created the perception that older planes are more defective. TWA's 747s,
75 Thrust : Having said what I said in my first post, I'm actually kind of surprised that while most airlines seem to be looking at retiring their 747-400s, Delta
76 Post contains images isitsafenow : Yeah I does believe they do....They will be phased out as the 787's get entreanched in the DL international routes. I dont see this happeining before
77 kaitak744 : The economics of a car is also the economics of a plane. Buy a new car, and sell it in 4-5 years (for a plane, 10 years) while it still has value, and
78 VV701 : BA retired eight 744s after the credit crunch. Then they were all due a costly D Check. They have brought three back from the desert (VCV). Two are b
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