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User currently offlinebigbird From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 183 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 14884 times:
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How many MD-90 s does DL now have in service? Also how many more are plannned to enter service before the end of this year?


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User currently offlineMikeCT From United States of America, joined May 2008, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 14858 times:

According to this site:

http://airfleets.net/flottecie/Delta%20Airlines.htm

They have 30 in service and 10 on their way (I don't know about before the end of the year). What's curious is they have the 10 on order, but still 5 stored. If the need them enough to buy more, why not take the 5 out of storage?

Assuming those numbers are accurate, of course.


User currently offlineDalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2583 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 14774 times:

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 1):
What's curious is they have the 10 on order, but still 5 stored. If the need them enough to buy more, why not take the 5 out of storage?

I doubt they are just being stored. Each airframe has taken months to put into service. They each get a full overhaul check with a newly configured interior then they get exterior paint. That is about six weeks per airframe. I think the HMV checks are all being done at the same facility so they can only do one or two lines at a time. I would bet the FAA process is also slowing them up.


User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5238 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 14677 times:

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 2):
I would bet the FAA process is also slowing them up

Which process are you refering to?

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 1):
What's curious is they have the 10 on order

Are they still being build? And why is DL choosing for such an technically old plane when there are more modern ones out. I thought their narrowbody order in 2012 would replace the MD's?


User currently offlineMikeCT From United States of America, joined May 2008, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 14655 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 3):
Are they still being build?

No, but I assume the "on order" refers to "acquired" aircraft. It looks like a majority of them are coming from China Southern.


User currently offlineflyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 995 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 14655 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 3):
Are they still being build? And why is DL choosing for such an technically old plane when there are more modern ones out. I thought their narrowbody order in 2012 would replace the MD's?

They are not still being built, Delta is purchasing older used frames. The order in 2012 will replace the older DC-9s (among others), not the MD90s. They will be around long past 2020. The reason they purchase used MD90s is because they are so cheap compared to a new built A320/737NG and still have relatively good economics.



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User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5651 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 14626 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 3):
And why is DL choosing for such an technically old plane when there are more modern ones out. I thought their narrowbody order in 2012 would replace the MD's?

They have comparable efficiency to an A320, just with worse range, and (for most operators) more expensive maintenance costs due to the small worldwide fleet. But DL is in the process of acquiring almost all of the surviving old-cockpit MD-90s in the world. With the fleet of 65 or more that it will eventually collect, the maintenance costs will be much less of an issue, and the low purchase price means DL is getting planes with modern operating cost at a steal. As a bonus, the MD-90 has DC-9 durability and will fly on for as long as DL wants it to.

The next narrowbody order will be partly to replace less efficient MD-88s, not MD-90s. (The one just announced is to replace older 757s and A320s.)


User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 14380 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 6):
The next narrowbody order will be partly to replace less efficient MD-88s, not MD-90s. (The one just announced is to replace older 757s and A320s.)

Is Delta still doing the reburbs on the MD88s? It was my understanding the Md88s were not really planned to go anywhere anytime soon!?


User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5651 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 14331 times:

Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 7):
Is Delta still doing the reburbs on the MD88s? It was my understanding the Md88s were not really planned to go anywhere anytime soon!?

Expect them to be replaced around 2017 and onward... that's more than enough time to warrant relatively inexpensive refurb work, which adds revenue seats, now.


User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 14228 times:

117 MD88 and 28 MD90 with 30 MD90 in the pipeline for DOS by 2013.


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User currently offlineDalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2583 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13899 times:

Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 7):
Is Delta still doing the reburbs on the MD88s? It was my understanding the Md88s were not really planned to go anywhere anytime soon!?

The MD88's going through HMV are getting the new 149 pax mod. After the first batch were done last winter they stopped the mod while the mod kit and drawings were updated so it would go smoother. We found a lot of issues with the fit of the parts and the drawings from TIMCO. I suspect another mod line will be set up this winter to do some of the airframes that are years away from HMV.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 3):
Which process are you refering to?

Knowing the FAA I bet it is a real hassle to transfer the reg from China to the US. We also had about a month this summer where the FAA was essentially closed for business due to budget issues.


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1538 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13873 times:

There was a blurb on DeltaNet today about the MD-88s and -90s. Essentially what it boiled down to is that the Mad Dogs are going to be around for a long time to come, with no immediate plans to replace them. And as you all know they are still in the process of acquiring the 30ish MD-90s. I really enjoy the Stupid 80s and the MD-90 so I'm glad they will be hanging around.

User currently offlineZKNCL From New Zealand, joined Oct 2010, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13783 times:

30 in service, 5 stored and a few on order. The stored ones are stored before ETS so they can be setup. Delta said they would have 80 by 2018. I've also noticed that when a DC-9 gets retired a MD-90 enters service so they must be replacing them but sometimes not directly. Im not so sure about that though.

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User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 533 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13659 times:

any chance that DL could acquire the kissing cousin MD-95 (oops B717) if WN decides they do not want them after the SOC is complete?


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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13585 times:

Quoting skymiler (Reply 13):
any chance that DL could acquire the kissing cousin MD-95 (oops B717) if WN decides they do not want them after the SOC is complete?

Some speculation on that very subject in this thread-
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/5237731/



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13442 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 3):
Are they still being build? And why is DL choosing for such an technically old plane when there are more modern ones out. I thought their narrowbody order in 2012 would replace the MD's?

Technically old? That's relative I guess. First one enteres service in 1995. Sure the cockpit isn't all glass but this is because of customer preference, not the airplane itself. what you see on the SV 90s was to be standard but DL and others wanted cockpit commonality with their MD80s. MDD, the company that they were that was all "customer specifics" went ahead with the old EFIS cockpits like on the 88s. The MD90 shares the same engine as the 319/320; V2500s. Very smart move on Delta's part. They are buying a/c for pennies on the dollar compared to sa a brand new 738 but has the exact same seating capacity (16FC 144YC).

Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 7):
Is Delta still doing the reburbs on the MD88s? It was my understanding the Md88s were not really planned to go anywhere anytime soon!?

Yes. Expect all to be complete 'around' 2013 or earlier. The 763ER mods should be done around that time as well.



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User currently offlineintsim From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12997 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):
The MD90 shares the same engine as the 319/320; V2500s. Very smart move on Delta's part.

Hello,

The old NWA A319/320s have the CFM not the IAE.  

Jeff


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12622 times:

Quoting intsim (Reply 16):
Hello,

The old NWA A319/320s have the CFM not the IAE.

Jeff

You're absolutely right, but I was referring to 319s/320s in general. Not the ones in Delta's fleet.



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User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5238 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12575 times:

Thanks for all the answers guys! I had no idea the MD90 had the same amount of seats as a 738. Always thought it was much smaller.

User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3922 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12260 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 18):
Thanks for all the answers guys! I had no idea the MD90 had the same amount of seats as a 738. Always thought it was much smaller.

The MD-90 had to be lengthened over the MD-80 due to the additional weight of the IAE engines over the original Pratt's, at least that is how the story goes.

Personally I think this is a great move on DL's part. It is using limited resources wisely. With similar economics to OEO 738s and A320s, but for millions less it is a no-brainer. DL can then go ahead and replace the 757 fleet with an appropriate aircraft (737-900ER, in this case), which they also probably got a good deal on considering the market at the moment, the historical 'gentleman's agreement' and that the -900ER has not been a great seller.



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User currently offlinemir2069 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12171 times:

seen 2 at a time being worked on in miami int.

User currently offlinestlAV8R From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11493 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 3):
Which process are you refering to?

I was told by a TechOps manager that because maintenance practices vary from carrier to carrier, converting all of their standards to DLs, then making sure the plane is up to speed with the required checks, then getting it approved by the FAA is a very lengthy and tedious process.


User currently offlinebigbird From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11103 times:
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I know that there is a lot of difference on the Chinese airplanes as far as maintenance goes but I would think that the SAS and JAL planes would be able to enter DL service more quickly.


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User currently onlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1744 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10725 times:
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For what it's worth, the MD-90 is fast becoming the most despised a/c in the fleet from the flight attendant group. And as a Diamond Medallion I'll say it's right there at the bottom of preferred a/c to fly on.

While Delta gets credit for gathering up these second-hand birds (the same playbook Richard worked under at NWA with the DC-10-30's and DC-9's), the M9K's are so jam packed it's hard not to feel like everything is crammed in there. I even feel that way in the first class section...probably due to the constant traffic of flight attendants serving the 144 coach seats from the very front.

I'm real curious to see if Delta makes good on its plans to equip the M9K's with in-seat AVOD. This has been the plan for two years now. But with so many retrofits rolling out with no AVOD, I'm beginning to wonder if this was scuttled. At least some, if not all, the M9K's are pre-wired for AVOD. Installs were suppose to start this fall but I haven't heard anything from TechOps. The AVOD install is to also include power outlets.


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10702 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 23):
At least some, if not all, the M9K's are pre-wired for AVOD.

I've seen a few used ones with new seats that have cutouts for PTVs at least. None of the DL originals have the new seats, at least not yet.

[Edited 2011-08-27 08:56:02]


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25 NWA330nut : Are DL's MD-90's based at MSP? If not, where?
26 e38 : Quoting NWA330nut (Reply 25), "Are DL's MD-90's based at MSP? If not, where?" Delta's MD-90s are not based at one particular airport, nor are the MD-8
27 chrisair : Why? I didn't think F was too bad. It's been 10+ years since I was in the back on one (back when DL was going to "get rid" of them), so I don't know
28 C767P : I can understand why flight attendants might not like the M9Ks with more seats and no rear galley. What I will never understand is how passengers com
29 n7371f : Well the first class seats are smaller, first off. That's a norm with any MDC 80 or 90 series. The cabin is narrower, also a norm. The bulkhead is no
30 skymiler : Had several in the last 2 weeks -- ATL -> DCA, MSP -> ATL, etc.. Seemed just fine to me -- simply another form of MD-88. FWIW, the new F seats
31 C767P : The only flight I have been on a M9K -90 was on MSP-SAN and I enjoyed it. I was in the back and had the only difference from the old configuration wa
32 FlyASAGuy2005 : I actually like the new seats on the M8Rs in F. Are those the same ones? I haven't been on an M9K. That's actually something that elites complained a
33 KingAir200 : They are. I much prefer the soft bulkhead too. It makes the first row of coach a lot better. More legroom and underseat storage.
34 TrijetsRMissed : It will be interesting to see if the 20 additional MD-90s (on top of the current pipeline) will be taken up, as previously speculated. I think the fl
35 Post contains images dbo861 : Maybe it's just because the seats are brand new, or maybe I'm just imagining things, but I rode one of these MD-90s last week and it seemed the new s
36 TVNWZ : The biggest issue for me is the galley only being in the front. If you are in the first two rows of FC on the aisle, you are constantly getting knock
37 1337DELTA764 : DL was planning on installing the new Panasonic Eco 9i Integrated Smart Monitors on these aircraft. The seats are a customized version of the Weber 5
38 B727FA : The FAs on those ships HATE them. There's no way to pre-set the carts for service b/c they're right there at the 1L boarding door. If more than one FA
39 skymiler : I have heard the same from F/A's on the re-fitted MD-88's. I have caught several recently, by chance, and the story is the same every time. Have 1 (s
40 n7371f : Are these coach seats? Must be. I've only been on the original delivery M90 and the ex-China M90's (now known as M9C) and they did not have these new
41 asqx : I've seen these seats on 9223 (or was it 9224?) and that is an ex-China Eastern plane. They are a little more roomy than the old Delta seats, at least
42 cslusarc : So what's up with Ships 9237-9252, 9260 and 9262-9263?
43 asqx : They haven't yet entered the fleet or been acquired, at least according to Planespotters.net One other side note, ships 9264 and 9265 appear to be tw
44 n7371f : They are. These MD-90's are officially listed as SAIC MD-90-30's.
45 a300 : In fact, the only two ever made in China.
46 laca773 : Is there any chance if enough cabin crews complain, they will go back and re-install a rear galley or at least enlarge the front one? It must be very
47 B727FA : What would help would be to return the cart slot to the back of the a/c. There they could place a Y Class Bev/Snack cart and all that would have to co
48 Post contains images seabosdca : There were a total of 13 China Southern birds, so I assume 9260 and 9262-9263 will be the assigned to the other three. 9237-9252 will fit the 16 JAL
49 tristarcrazy : There is a MD-90 getting sprayed in bay 12 paint hanger ATL but not sure which bird. There is also another MD-90 on the ramp outside of TOC-II awaitin
50 Dalmd88 : When I was working on the mod last January this was exactly what I thought. Some of the 738 had a cart stored in front of each rear lav. This would h
51 n7371f : 930 was outside TOC with blue tail & all-white fuselage.
52 tristarcrazy : 932 got sprayed and been moved to bay 11 for maintenance. There is a 763 in bay 12 getting maintenance so maybe 930 will go in over the weekend somet
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