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Cathay Ups LAX Service To 3x Daily  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24785 posts, RR: 46
Posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13273 times:

Effective March 2, 2012 Cathay Pacific will increase its LAX service from 17 weekly to 21 weekly.

New schedule - all operated on 77W will be.

CX884 HKG-LAX 1305-0940
CX882 HKG-LAX 1625-1255
CX880 HKG-LAX 2345-2015

CX885 LAX-HKG 1125-1845+1
CX883 LAX-HKG 2220-0545+2
CX881 LAX-HKG 0005-0730+1


Press release:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Cathay...ly-Three-bw-50871162.html?x=0&.v=1


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User currently online747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3477 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13133 times:

3 77W, hopely one of those flights, will be an A380 or B747-8I in the future.   

User currently offlineyeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 882 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13123 times:

The juggernaut that is CX continues to add frequency in its markets: they have ULH practically down to an art form.
Very impressive!

yeo



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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12864 times:

So by then CX's US service will be up to:

SFO: 2x daily
LAX: 3x daily
ORD: 1x daily
JFK: 3x daily nonstop + 1x daily via YVR

Not bad at all...

Out of interest, does anyone know what the primary business drivers are between L.A. and Hong Kong?



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User currently offlinelax777lr From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12699 times:

CX is clearly telling Skyteam and Star Alliance "don't even think about it again!"

User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12465 times:

Any idea if one of these will be operated by the 77G config ?


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User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12177 times:

More like Cathay RESTORING the third LAX flight. They are going back to the old schedule which was in effect until the end of S08.


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User currently offlineCX711 From Singapore, joined Jun 2011, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11894 times:

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 6):


There was some earlier speculation that CX may add a 2nd daily flight to ORD soon after the first flight is inaugurated, and also possible an extra non-stop to JFK. Has there been any more news?


User currently offlineflythere From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11894 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 3):
Out of interest, does anyone know what the primary business drivers are between L.A. and Hong Kong?

Not only vast chinese community in Southern California, but also high-end travel between LAX and HKG. Also a large group of Hong Kong students in UCs, USC and other community college, plus some connecting pax via both ends at HKG and LAX.

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 5):
Any idea if one of these will be operated by the 77G config ?

Never with 77G but they will be all operated by 77D soon with F and new J product.


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 11457 times:
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Quoting flythere (Reply 8):

Never with 77G but they will be all operated by 77D soon with F and new J product.

I think they will operate this 77W type into LAX as I can't see CX not offering their new Premium Y product on a longahaul flight like LAX. The same goes for SFO/JFK/YVR/ORD once they have enough of the 77Ws re-configured with the new P J Y+ cabins.


User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 21 hours ago) and read 11167 times:

Quoting flythere (Reply 8):
Not only vast chinese community in Southern California, but also high-end travel between LAX and HKG. Also a large group of Hong Kong students in UCs, USC and other community college, plus some connecting pax via both ends at HKG and LAX.

Don't forget the Indians.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 9):
I think they will operate this 77W type into LAX as I can't see CX not offering their new Premium Y product on a longahaul flight like LAX. The same goes for SFO/JFK/YVR/ORD once they have enough of the 77Ws re-configured with the new P J Y+ cabins.

They may operate a 4-class B77W into LAX but I don't expect a 3-class aircraft without First.

Quoting CX711 (Reply 7):
There was some earlier speculation that CX may add a 2nd daily flight to ORD soon after the first flight is inaugurated, and also possible an extra non-stop to JFK. Has there been any more news?

These remain rumours.



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User currently offlineNetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 10544 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 3):
So by then CX's US service will be up to:

SFO: 2x daily
LAX: 3x daily
ORD: 1x daily
JFK: 3x daily nonstop + 1x daily via YVR

I still think is out of wack that JFK is getting one more frequency than LAX. Unless I'm missing something, there is no way in hell the JFK-HKG market is larger than LAX-HKG. no way


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 10213 times:

Quoting Netjetsintl (Reply 11):
Unless I'm missing something, there is no way in hell the JFK-HKG market is larger than LAX-HKG. no way

JFK and HKG are two of the biggest financial hubs in the world -- a lot (like a lot) of business travel between the two, and it pretty much has the choice of 4 daily CX flights or the single daily UA out of EWR...


User currently offlineCX711 From Singapore, joined Jun 2011, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 10138 times:

YVR was also 3x daily just before 2008. Any talk of the third daily being brought back?

User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 9983 times:

Quoting Netjetsintl (Reply 11):
I still think is out of wack that JFK is getting one more frequency than LAX. Unless I'm missing something, there is no way in hell the JFK-HKG market is larger than LAX-HKG. no way

JFK-HKG connects the biggest banking hub in North America (and the Western Hemisphere) with the biggest banking hub in Asia. New York, London, and Hong Kong are consistently ranked as the top three financial centers in the world, so to me it's not surprising to have so much capacity there. Also, New York has a huge ethnic Chinese population as well, though perhaps not as big as the L.A. area. Also don't forget that the JFK-YVR-HKG doesn't really count as a full fourth daily frequency as far as the local market is concerned. I'm sure the YVR-HKG segment has far more Vancouver-originating passengers than New York-originating passengers...

Quoting qf002 (Reply 12):
JFK and HKG are two of the biggest financial hubs in the world -- a lot (like a lot) of business travel between the two, and it pretty much has the choice of 4 daily CX flights or the single daily UA out of EWR...


  



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7985 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 9684 times:

This type of frequency makes me scratch my head on my CX hasn't ordered the A380-800 yet. The extra capacity offered by the A388 would certainly be welcome on the HKG-LHR, HKG-LAX and possibly HKG-SYD routes.

User currently offlineag92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 9530 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 15):
This type of frequency makes me scratch my head on my CX hasn't ordered the A380-800 yet. The extra capacity offered by the A388 would certainly be welcome on the HKG-LHR, HKG-LAX and possibly HKG-SYD routes.

The extra capacity would also lead to lower frequency, and Business Travelers prefer frequency. Now if there is a lack of capacity a la LHR, that's where the A380 makes sense


User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 9184 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 3):
JFK: 3x daily nonstop + 1x daily via YVR

I wonder how this is profitable? There isn't 5th freedom between YVR and JFK is there? This means that they have to have empty seats on that leg. I realize this happened a lot a generation or two ago, but I can't see how an airline can afford this type of route now. This is unlike Air New Zealand who have a transfer operation in LAX; i.e. converging A/C.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24785 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 9092 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 3):
Out of interest, does anyone know what the primary business drivers are between L.A. and Hong Kong?

Lots of beyond connections to places like Vietnam, Philippines, PRC and even some to India.



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User currently offlineairlineaddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 9062 times:
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Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 17):

Quoting FSDan (Reply 3):
JFK: 3x daily nonstop + 1x daily via YVR

I wonder how this is profitable? There isn't 5th freedom between YVR and JFK is there? This means that they have to have empty seats on that leg. I realize this happened a lot a generation or two ago, but I can't see how an airline can afford this type of route now. This is unlike Air New Zealand who have a transfer operation in LAX; i.e. converging A/C.


Actually, fifth freedom is in place. PR has a similar arrangement between YVR and LAS

Back on topic, I agree that this is a shot across the bow to UA and DL on any ambitions to re-start LAX to HKG. It would be interesting to see a 787 run LAX HKG on UA...


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3113 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 9033 times:

When I was working as a travel agent in SFO, we sold many CX tickets, and the destinations were as varied as the ethnicity of our rather loyal clients. CX also sells lots of bulk rate or wholesale seats allowing all kinds of fare sensitive passengers fill their planes, which is how I'm guessing they can semd so many planes a day to these destinations. Yes premium flying is what pays for the operation costs, and since there is that huge O & D premium market, this makes filling the back end easier for their multiple dalies.


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User currently offlinevincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 8985 times:

Quoting ag92 (Reply 16):

The extra capacity would also lead to lower frequency, and Business Travelers prefer frequency. Now if there is a lack of capacity a la LHR, that's where the A380 makes sense

For now 773 works perfectly for CX until they can't add more flights. It'll be a while before this happens.

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 17):
There isn't 5th freedom between YVR and JFK is there?

Yes


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 8982 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 20):
and since there is that huge O & D premium market

Is the premium market on LAX-HKG as big as the premium market on SFO-HKG? San Francisco is the primary Financial center of the West Coast, so I can see why there would be lots of premium traffic on SFO-HKG, but does L.A. have the same kind of banking traffic to fill up the front of the plane?



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User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 8949 times:

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 17):
There isn't 5th freedom between YVR and JFK is there?

Cathay has full fifth freedom on this segment.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3113 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 8944 times:

LA does have the west coast stock exchange.


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25 LAXintl : Keep in mind, LA regions travel market is over 2x (closer to 3x if you want to add San Diego in) the total size of SF Bay Area. While LA regions prop
26 CV880 : LA has a branch of the Pacific Stock Exchange which is headquartered in SFO.
27 etoile : The PCX has been kaputt for years. The former site of the PCX in SF is now an Equinox healthclub.
28 spinkid : Don't forget the manufacting that takes place just across the border from Hong Kong in mainland China. I just returned from Hong Kong and was amazed a
29 757ENGR : CX's 2 SFO daily round trips are 747-400s. I would like them to up this to 3 daily using the Y+ configured 777Ws when they become available.
30 FSDan : By the time CX adds the 3rd daily LAX flight, one of the two HKG-SFO flights will be on a 77W three times a week (according to Cathay's website).
31 SUNRISEVALLEY : CX is a major freight carrier and the ability to haul about 18t of cargo with a full passenger load from HKG/JFK on an average day with the 77W is pr
32 CX Flyboy : Still being looked into. There are plenty of places we could easily expand to at the moment but a lack of aircraft and a lack of pilots is holding ba
33 Post contains images yeogeo : Hummm... like HKG-YVR-GRU perhaps?
34 vincewy : I'm guessing HKG-YVR-DFW, I seriously doubt MIA will work out better than DFW. Without logistical constraints, will A380 work out very well for HKG-J
35 airfrancejfk : Key word is connections connectons connections. Each of the 4 JFK flights carry a very different set of clientele. 2 flights are heavy with connectio
36 EddieDude : CX has been looking into serving MEX with an intermediate stop. CX would like to use LAX or SFO as the stopover, but the Mexican government is never
37 RWA380 : Just like JL did, NRT-YVR-MEX huh? Guess they could get 5th freedom YVR-MEX.
38 washingtonian : Wouldn't it make more sense to launch HKG-DFW instead of a 2nd daily ORD flight? Wowza, that would be incredible if HKG-JFK went to 4X daily nonstop!
39 Post contains images flythere : Other than choice for customers, frequency can also means greater flexibility in the operation, touchwood any AOG of one flight some pax can be put o
40 Viscount724 : CX's first US destination around 1979 was a SFO tag-on from YVR,with 5th freedom rights YVR-SFO. I expect CX carries far more 5th freedom passengers
41 EddieDude : That is true, and the visa issue is not helping. In the past, MX had 9 or 10 weeklies using a combo of A319s and 18s, plus JL's 2x weekly service. De
42 Viscount724 : The problem with any 2x or 3x weekly service is inefficient use of crews since they're going to be spending up to 3 or 4 nights in a hotel. And such
43 FSDan : I wonder if a HKG-YVR-MIA is in the cards... Could that support daily service on a 77W? I have no info, but I would guess that the fifth freedom mark
44 EddieDude : Agree with you. But if CX really wants to launch MEX, it has to be 2 or 3x weekly service at first. There is not demand for more. BA flies 4x weekly
45 MAH4546 : DFWHKG can be done non-stop, easily. MIAHKG is a larger market than DFWHKG, not to mention a very high-fare market, with an average fare ~70% higher
46 Post contains links flythere : After some search on our side, there is one ASA between Hong Kong and Mexico. Cheers on that! http://www.legislation.gov.hk/ASAMEXICOe.pdf It states
47 CX Flyboy : If it makes good money then the crew is not really an issue. If it is that marginal that the crew makes the difference between profitability and not,
48 Avianca : it they would restric the cargo to 0, could be a 777 make it with full pax load nonstop HKG-MIA-HKG?
49 RWA380 : Would a HKG-YVR-GRU really work? What plane would be best to make YVR-GRU non-stop w/o penalty? Just curious if this suggestion would even be remotel
50 flythere : Wow! That's something new to me! I believe those 343 frequency is not one weekly but normally 3 per week. Why they ended up spending a week off there
51 Post contains images yeogeo : Probably not. For one, there's the trick of obtaining the traffic rights between Vancouver and Sao Paulo, as you say. Then there's the relatively sma
52 CX Flyboy : This week seems to have more than one 343 flight but two of my F/O friends this past month have had 8 day patterns there!!
53 EddieDude : Could CX maybe apply for an exemption from the Canadian and Mexican governments? As I mentioned, when rumors that the Mexican authorities were talkin
54 Avianca : well I am very well aware abouth the importancy for CX regarding cargo and MIA, hence they have 5 (not 100% sure about the frequency) cargo flights o
55 RWA380 : Maybe fly YVR 2X daily and do a mix of flights on a non daily basis to GRU, LIM & MEX. Possibly keeping the lucrative JFK tag daily or instead mak
56 SUNRISEVALLEY : About 30t or max passenger load for the 77W. You could be leaving people behind on a bad day.
57 nomoreRJs : And ORD will hopefully be 2x daily next year!
58 Viscount724 : Repeating my previous reply as it was corrupted when I tried to edit it: CP operated YVR-MEX-LIM-SCL-EZE from the 1950s to the 1980s (the MEX stop wa
59 Post contains images flythere : I never know that!! Good for them to get paid and have fun in South Africa! Why not? At most, it is just one daily flight, no more... All with 744ERF
60 AA767LOVER : I would see AC's 77L doing GRU-YYZ-HKG on the same flight number. The chance of YVR-GRU is extremely slim, but never impossible. It's just for the sa
61 United Airline : Will HKG-YVR go triple daily again? They was once triple daily
62 Post contains links willzzz88 : Look as mentioned in the LAN oneWorld thread there are 4 ways to GRU and only 3 are *VERY PROFITABLE*: CX needs to add GRU, GIG, EZE, LIM and SCL to i
63 Viscount724 : I doubt bilaterals exist between HKG and all those South American countries. Code-sharing isn't always permitted to/from 3rd countries when there is
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