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Asiana To Launch ICN-HNL Scheduled Service  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4372 times:

Asiana Airlines which previously announced series of charters to Hawaii, looks to convert its charter service to scheduled operations effective December 8th per GDS.

Thu/Sun
OZ232 ICN-HNL 2000-0900 A333
OZ231 HNL-ICN 1100-1750+1 A333

Air travel between the US and South Korea has seen a nice boost in demand following the lifting of visa restrictions in 2009 including increase of arrivals to Hawaii which rose from 40,000 Korean visitors in 2008 to almost 100,000 in 2010 with forecast of 130,000 during 2011.

(for the record OZ previously served HNL with 763s, however dropped the route in 1998 following the Asian financial crisis)


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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4278 times:

good timing of flights to allow Asia-ICN-HNL connections

on a side note - does it make any sense for UA/CO/US to time their Honolulu flights for this one at all ? (using hawaii as a scissor hub between AsiaPac and NorthAmerican flights instead of the standard SFO/LAX)


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4115 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):

Not at all. HNL is out of the way from ICN-Mainland.



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User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 741 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):
on a side note - does it make any sense for UA/CO/US to time their Honolulu flights for this one at all ? (using hawaii as a scissor hub between AsiaPac and NorthAmerican flights instead of the standard SFO/LAX)

Interesting thought, but it wouldn't work, at least on the west bound. The first flights to Hawaii usually leave the US West Coast between 8 and 9 a.m. and arrive in Hawaii around 11:30ish, too late for this connection. To give people time to connect to this flight in HNL, a flight would have to leave the mainland around 6 a.m., and Hawaii-bound vacationers ain't gonna have none of that! Much easier to put the handful of ICN-bound pax on an early shuttle or connection to SFO and consolidate them there.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):
good timing of flights to allow Asia-ICN-HNL connections

I doubt OZ is launching this low frequency service with broad connections in mind.

It seems to be much more an evolution of charter service turning scheduled, with I presume large Korean tour operators taking most of the seats.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 1):
on a side note - does it make any sense for UA/CO/US to time their Honolulu flights for this one at all ? (using hawaii as a scissor hub between AsiaPac and NorthAmerican flights instead of the standard SFO/LAX)

As previously mentioned neither the HNL timings work too well, nor is HNL a very direct route. Hawaii stop adds about 1400miles plus many more hours to a SFO - ICN itinerary for example.



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8667 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
It seems to be much more an evolution of charter service turning scheduled, with I presume large Korean tour operators taking most of the seats.

I'd say it's both O&D and connections, especially with Chinese visitors to Hawaii growing despite the almost complete lack of non-stop flights from China. 90,000+ Chinese visitors in one year have to connect somewhere, given the lack of flights from China.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3461 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3748 times:

Good to see OZ back on this route. Flew them on this route right after they started this originally in J what a great time. Schedule looks about the same too.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

There are a dozen ways to get from China to Hawaii daily including most secondary cities.

Looking at a low frequency twice-weekly OZ service would be very far down the China options list.

The OZ flight is meant to support the growth in Korean traffic to the US and the desire by them for Hawaii vacations. After all the proposed schedule is virtually identical to the existing charter schedule.



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8667 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
Looking at a low frequency twice-weekly OZ service would be very far down the China options list.

Every little bit helps given that frequencies between the US and China are so limited and Hawaii is really pushing for more Chinese visitors.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13552 posts, RR: 100
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2950 times:
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Is the frequency being driven by aircraft availability? OZ's long haul fleet is rather small with only 32 'on hand' widebodies (per Wikipedia).

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Air travel between the US and South Korea has seen a nice boost in demand following the lifting of visa restrictions in 2009 including increase of arrivals to Hawaii which rose from 40,000 Korean visitors in 2008 to almost 100,000 in 2010 with forecast of 130,000 during 2011.

This makes sense. Cut the paperwork and sell more vacation packages... I just didn't realize it had created over 3X growth! Just imagine what happens if the KORUS FTA actually goes through! (Ghad, why has it taken so long?)

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
It seems to be much more an evolution of charter service turning scheduled, with I presume large Korean tour operators taking most of the seats.

It makes sense. I find it interesting with HA and KE both already flying the route.

Question: I would assume the route is most popular during Korea's winter?

Quoting airbazar (Reply 5):
90,000+ Chinese visitors in one year have to connect somewhere, given the lack of flights from China.

I wonder if connections will be important long term? In that regard, I suspect it will be a race for frequency; not exactly a contest OZ is participating in with two frequencies per week.

Lightsaber



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