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BA To Go All B777 On HKG-LHR?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13312 times:

From what I heard, BA will go ALL B 777 on HKG-LHR. Can anyone confirm that?

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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13067 times:

Current plan for this winter is 1 x 744 (BA25/26), 1 x 772 (BA31/32) and 1 x 773 (BA27/28) per day

User currently offlinecslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12488 times:

Speaking of LHR-HKG, why don't CX and BA code-share with each other on this route since both airlines are OneWorlld members and both fly 340 and 777 aircraft often within 30 minutes of each other? If BA and AA can have a JV why can CX and BA?

(Fri 30March2012)
BA0031 LHR 12:00 HKG 06:55+1 777
CX252 LHR 12:30 HKG 07:05+1 74A
CX250 LHR 18:20 HKG 13:05+1 74A
BA0025 LHR 18:40 HKG 13:15+1 747
CX256 LHR 20:15 HKG 15:20+1 34B
BA0027 LHR 22:00 HKG 16:50+1 777
CX254 LHR 22:20 HKG 17:05+1 EQV


(Sat 31March2012)
CX255 HKG 00:35 LHR 06:20 74A
BA0032 HKG 09:00 LHR 15:00 777
CX257 HKG 09:55 LHR 16:00 74A
CX253 HKG 14:40 LHR 20:30 EQV
BA0026 HKG 23:15 LHR 04:55+1 747
BA0028 HKG 23:45 LHR 05:40+1 777
CX251 HKG 23:55 LHR 05:40+1 74A



--cslusarc from YWG
User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6601 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12408 times:

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 2):
If BA and AA can have a JV why can CX and BA?

CX can easily fill its flights all by itself. LHR remains one of the most profitable routes on the network. No need to 'get help' by starting a JV or even codeshare with BA.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12196 times:

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):

Considering QF will drop the QF29 HKG-LHR sector I doubt BA will downgrade to B772 equipment...

EK413



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11954 times:

Will HKG-LHR go triple daily again? And will they all go B747-400? I mean eventually?

User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11739 times:

Too bad they may drop the HKG-LHR sector. I'm glad I got to fly it at least once. Will the Kiwis do the same?


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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11679 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 5):
Will HKG-LHR go triple daily again? And will they all go B747-400? I mean eventually?

As per the above comments, a third flight is being added, but I don't believe it is every day. It will work well with a 772 773 and 744 on the route.


User currently offlinerobso2 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2010, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11493 times:

It seems it will be operated by 1x744, 1x722 and 1x77W

Quoting flythere (Reply 18):
BA031 LHR1200 – 0655+1HKG 777 357
BA025 LHR1840 – 1315+1HKG 744 D
BA027 LHR2200 – 1650+1HKG 77W D

from: BA 77W W11 Routes (by B747forever Aug 18 2011 in Civil Aviation)#1



733/4/5/6/7/8/9, 319/20/21, 752, 744, 772, 332/3, 343/6, E70/90, AT43, AR85/1, D38, D10, M82
User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11379 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 7):
As per the above comments, a third flight is being added, but I don't believe it is every day. It will work well with a 772 773 and 744 on the route.

When I first moved down back in 2005 they had three B744s daily on LHR-HKG, so it's still a little down on what it's been quite recently. The B77W is a good product immprovement though!


User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7677 times:

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 2):
Speaking of LHR-HKG, why don't CX and BA code-share with each other on this route since both airlines are OneWorlld members and both fly 340 and 777 aircraft often within 30 minutes of each other? If BA and AA can have a JV why can CX and BA?

The competition authorities would not allow it as they would dominate the route where the only competition is VS and NZ.

I don't think BA and CX are the best of buddies either.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7512 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 9):
When I first moved down back in 2005 they had three B744s daily on LHR-HKG, so it's still a little down on what it's been quite recently. The B77W is a good product immprovement though!
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 9):
When I first moved down back in 2005 they had three B744s daily on LHR-HKG, so it's still a little down on what it's been quite recently. The B77W is a good product immprovement though!

Will this return?

What a downgrade!


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7531 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7306 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 11):
Will this return?

In the shorter term I think this will depend on the success of the new arrangement between QF and BA whereby the new three-times-weekly BA rotation to HKG will be timed to link with the QF rotation.

Previously only VS, NZ and CX have timed flights to link the UK to Australasia through HKG. The BA and QF JSA routings have been through BKK and SIN. If customers give the thumbs up to the new QF/BA arrangement then I can see the three-times-weekly flight quickly expanding to five, six or seven times weekly. With the QF cut backs and BA adding a 744 and three 77Ws to their active fleet in the coming months there seems no problem in finding the metal to do this. The only problem might be slots at LHR.

If customers do not like the change of aircraft at HKG then the BA/QF caution in starting with a three-times-a-week service will be justified. But I do not see why this should be a problem with the success that the likes of EK and SQ have had on the Kangaroo route as their services almost inevitably require a change of aircraft at DXB and SIN respectively.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7092 times:

So you mean there is a chance that QF's HKG-LHR will return if people are not happy with the current arrangement?

User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7022 times:

Hmmmm. The 777 is a lovely aircraft to look at (especially the 300-ER variant with its massive powerplants) and certainly keeps an airline's bean-counters pretty happy........ however as a long haul aircraft, from a pax point of view, it's a significant downgrade from a 744 or A380. Feels far less spacious inside, has less reduntant "walk around" room, is only single deck, and 10 abreast - which is becoming commonplace in Y - is awful.

When I fly anything over eight hours these days I specifically seek out airlines that operate an A-380 or 744 on the route.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6862 times:

Quoting gasman (Reply 14):
Feels far less spacious inside, has less reduntant "walk around" room, is only single deck, and 10 abreast - which is becoming commonplace in Y - is awful.

BA's 777s are not 10 abreast........are they. Please say no. 10 abreast on a 77 is rediculous. I would avoid any airline like the plaque if I was faced with that. THat said if its 9 abreat or even flying up front the 777 is my favourite aircraft and would happily take it, there is more than enough room to have a little wander if thats what you want to do (within reason)

As for BA and CX, I think irrespective of how well LHR - HKG performs they should work more closely together. THat seems to have been a probelm in the past with JL on OW. The S### hit the fan with them and then the light bulb came on with OW carriers who realised they would be in a lot of pain if they lost them and now working forward I am sure working closer together they will all see the benefits.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6862 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 12):
In the shorter term I think this will depend on the success of the new arrangement between QF and BA whereby the new three-times-weekly BA rotation to HKG will be timed to link with the QF rotation.

I'm not sure that the flights are actually going to link are they? At BKK there is a 5+ hour wait in each direction with the new QF flight, so they are obviously trying to funnel LHR/SYD pax through SIN rather than HKG or BKK.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 13):
So you mean there is a chance that QF's HKG-LHR will return if people are not happy with the current arrangement?

Not going to happen. Those travelling to LHR (or SYD) will be funneled through SIN, with the new arrangement more interested in keeping the market that likes to break the journey (which is a big chunk of the market, I would imagine).

Quoting gasman (Reply 14):
it's a significant downgrade from a 744 or A380. Feels far less spacious inside, has less reduntant "walk around" room, is only single deck, and 10 abreast - which is becoming commonplace in Y - is awful.

I don't agree. The 777 in 9 abreast has wider aisles and seats, much more modern bathrooms and galleys, bigger bins and (generally) better IFE. The upper deck is only relevant for J pax. 10 abreast is not becoming commonplace - there are only a handful out of the dozens of operators, so that's a major exaggeration IMO. Besides BA has 9 abreast with a product that looks like it totally smashes the seats/IFE on the 747s. There were never any A380s on HKG-LHR anyway...


User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6810 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 16):
The 777 in 9 abreast has wider aisles and seats

Yes - agree - a 9 abreast 777 is quite competitive in terms of pax comfort to a 10 abreast 744.

I still maintain the 744 cabin "feels" more spacious though. Is it something to do with the sidewalls being more vertical? I don't know, but I perceive this greater spaciousness even looking at the cabin pictures on a.net.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6568 times:

Quoting gasman (Reply 17):
I still maintain the 744 cabin "feels" more spacious though. Is it something to do with the sidewalls being more vertical? I don't know, but I perceive this greater spaciousness even looking at the cabin pictures on a.net.

True -- I think the shape of the bins plays a big role as well (ie being able to see higher up the walls). The 747 is by no means a cramped aircraft in any case...


User currently offlinespeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6519 times:

BAs 777s are all 9 abreast.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6446 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 15):
As for BA and CX, I think irrespective of how well LHR - HKG performs they should work more closely together. THat seems to have been a probelm in the past with JL on OW. The S### hit the fan with them and then the light bulb came on with OW carriers who realised they would be in a lot of pain if they lost them and now working forward I am sure working closer together they will all see the benefits.

I agree. Both BA and QF need to work closer with CX. The last thing OneWorld needs is for CX to bolt to say Star - especially given their close relationship with AC.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6418 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 20):
The last thing OneWorld needs is for CX to bolt to say Star - especially given their close relationship with AC.

That's a ridiculous idea... QF work just as closely with AF - are they now about to bolt to Skyteam? QF works very closely with SA - sign that they're about to jump ship to Star? CX knows that being in Star would be just as bad if not worse - they'd have major SQ and TG issues... OW is the only alliance lacking in China, and CX will take advantage of that.


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2613 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6417 times:
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Quoting gasman (Reply 14):
however as a long haul aircraft, from a pax point of view, it's a significant downgrade from a 744 or A380. Feels far less spacious inside, has less reduntant "walk around" room, is only single deck, and 10 abreast - which is becoming commonplace in Y - is awful.

As mentioned, BA's 777s are not 10-abreast, but 9-abreast, which in my view, is more spacious than a 10-abreast 744.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6290 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 21):
That's a ridiculous idea... QF work just as closely with AF - are they now about to bolt to Skyteam? QF works very closely with SA - sign that they're about to jump ship to Star? CX knows that being in Star would be just as bad if not worse - they'd have major SQ and TG issues... OW is the only alliance lacking in China, and CX will take advantage of that.

With respect, you missed the former point of what I and Jacobin777 were putting across. CX should be working closer with its current OW members than what they are. If they (and others) want to have code shares, whatever with other carriers so be it but for too long a lot of carriers in OW have been "going there own way". They should get tighter and work together.
Its hardly surprising QF have those code shares in place you mention, they are retreating the QF brand are they not and just sticking to core routes.


User currently offlinecslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6201 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 20):
The last thing OneWorld needs is for CX to bolt to say Star - especially given their close relationship with AC.

Can you elaborate on the relationship between AC and CX? They don't code-share, or have any reciprocal frequent flier relationship anymore. They might interline pax and cargo more frequently than between CX and WS.



--cslusarc from YWG
25 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Air China has an investment in Cathay (IIRC the converse is true as well). That is a bit different than say working closely together. Thanks! Apologi
26 qf002 : Fair point to make -- I was merely pointing out that suggesting that CX was going to jump ship is a ridiculous notion. The thing with CX is that they
27 SCL767 : Cathay Pacific and LAN have a very good relationship, along with a bilateral code-share agreement on various routes. For example, CX places its code
28 VV701 : I get the feeling - but I may be wrong - that because BA and CX do not put their codes on each others flights between LHR and HKG there is a view tha
29 flythere : On the other hand BA places it's code on some Asia routes on CX metal, for instance, Jarkarta, Penang, HoChiMinh, Seoul, Surabaya etc. We cannot say
30 david_itl : Yet when CX was operating into MAN, they were more interested in getting codesharing in place on the LHR shuttle rather then develop the MAN service
31 lhr380 : So LH and the Gulf carriers are taking customers to their hubs, just like BA are, and with the codeshareing CX get fantastic feed from the European (
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