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Concorde And Baggage  
User currently offlineworking2gether From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 83 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8821 times:

Just a quick question,

Did the Concorde have a baggage hold in the plane or was it just a carry on your bags and store them inside the passenger cabin?

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User currently offlineTCASAlert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8805 times:

There was a hold on the aircraft, albeit not very big. Not sure about the baggage allowance for passengers but from an air freight perspective it could be used for (very expensive) urgent courier packages, for instance urgent documents needing to be in New York on the same day.

The internet and email kind of did away with that requirement but 15-20 years ago and longer it was a real bonus to get documents to the USA on the same day.


User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 836 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8637 times:

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 1):
The internet and email kind of did away with that requirement but 15-20 years ago and longer it was a real bonus to get documents to the USA on the same day.

But documents came to the USA on the same day too if flown on the 747s and other airplanes of the pre-internet-time. Just 3 hours later.

I think the argument might be valid for flights from USA to UK/France if the Concorce departed as an daylight-flight unlike most other TATL flights which depart from the USA in the afternoon and evening.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9727 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8567 times:

Quoting CARST (Reply 2):
But documents came to the USA on the same day too if flown on the 747s and other airplanes of the pre-internet-time. Just 3 hours later

Yes, but it arrived before it left (in local time) and both the morning and the evening flight had courier material on board. Beats regular 747 or whatever serbvice anytime, even when they had an on board courier which could be the case with Concorde as well.

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 1):
The internet and email kind of did away with that requirement but 15-20 years ago and longer it was a real bonus to get documents to the USA on the same day.

Fax was available then but sometimes and still today originals are required.



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8520 times:

It has a hold at the rear of the aircraft. Even with the hold you'd want to travel light as it wasnt very big.

User currently offlinebooforty From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8513 times:

The baggage was stored at the very rear of Concorde with access to it via the last door at the rear on the co-pilots side. I believe the door is slightly smaller than a full passenger sized door.

User currently offlinevc10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1412 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8394 times:

The aircraft had a luggage hold [227 cu ft] under the floor just aft of the nose gear.It also had a larger hold [470 cu ft] at floor level to the rear of the rear galley. Whilst not over endowed with luggage space it was suficient for 100 passenger plus crew as was often the case when the aircraft did "around the world charters", although it did take some planning as to how to get it all in.

On normal schedule flights a lot of the luggage was in the form of carry on wardrobe bags and these were hung in one of two compartments meant for them.

The front hold would be filled first as it 's weight moved the C of G forward and once it was full the rest of the luggage was loaded in the larger rear freight hold. The problem with the rear hold was that it's weight moved the C of G aft. This rear ward shift could limit the amount of fuel that went into tank 11, which was aft of the rear hold , because of the rear C of G limit.

It was all a bit off a balancing act[ no pun meant]  

littlevc10


User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8334 times:

Quoting booforty (Reply 5):
The baggage was stored at the very rear of Concorde with access to it via the last door at the rear on the co-pilots side. I believe the door is slightly smaller than a full passenger sized door.

It's more than slightly! At the Concorde exhibit in Barbados that is how the aircraft is configured to be entered. I had to stoop a little to get out of the main door at the front of the aircraft, but I had to bend considerably to get into the aircraft at the rear!


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3357 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7974 times:

Found this after a quick search.

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User currently offlineworking2gether From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7435 times:

Thanks everyone for all the insight!

User currently offlinedc10bhx From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7099 times:

In the late 80's and early 90's I worked for a Company which was involved in sending various machine parts from the UK to the USA (most of which needed to get there ASAP). There were numerous shipments made using Concorde. If memory serves me right we were limited to shipments of no more than 100 Kgs at a time and paid a quite horrendous freight rate.

One of the Shippers I had bookings from had designed their boxes with the express intention that 10 of them would have just enough components for a part day of manufacturing in the USA. Obviously with double daily Concorde flights more often than not, when they fell behind in manufacturing these components, I was making bookings on both morning and evening Concorde services.



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User currently offlinechieft From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6771 times:
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User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 855 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6311 times:

I never check bags and always travel with one medium duffel carry-on (wheels are for wimps) which easily fits in the overhead bin of a standard airliner, but the Concorde overhead bin was too small for my bag.

On my Concorde flight, BA 002, FA stored my bag in a mid-cabin closet.


User currently offlinechieft From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5150 times:
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Quoting 26point2 (Reply 12):
On my Concorde flight, BA 002, FA stored my bag in a mid-cabin closet.

Well, now I know why it was closed on that flight...
  



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User currently offlinefbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

The overhead bins on Concorde were very small. I'd say around the same size as those on EMB-145s, maybe a smidgen bigger!

Announcements were made in the Concorde Room/lounge around 10mins prior to boarding so you could almost "gate check" coats and larger carry-on bags. As others have alluded to they were stored in the cabin.



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