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A380 Cleared For Service Into GRU  
User currently offlinevoar From Canada, joined Jul 2008, 95 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6173 times:

As per an article in the Folha de São Paulo website, INFRAERO (Brazil's airport operator) has given the green light for Emirates to fly into São Paulo (GRU) with the A380. A condition is the arrival and departure time which INFRAERO would like to be off-peak times due to airport saturation. Emirates was hoping for an 1830 arrival with a 0100 departure time, but INFRAERO want the arrival to be between 1600 and 1630 with a 0200 departure time. Emirates wants to start service with the A380 to São Paulo in december.

reference: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/mercado...viao-de-passageiros-do-mundo.shtml (In Portuguese)

[Edited 2011-09-01 17:18:54]

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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13536 posts, RR: 100
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5895 times:
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Allowing the A380 to GRU is a surprise.

Quoting voar (Thread starter):
A condition is the arrival and departure time which INFRAERO would like to be off-peak times due to airport saturation.

This isn't that much of a surprise.

Looking at EK's operations at DXB via the exceptional analysis of HB-IWC:
Emirates At DXB - Ultimate Operational Analysis (by HB-IWC Sep 27 2010 in Civil Aviation)

EK could move the departure to GRU up two hours. But the current departure from DXB allows for the entire 4am to 7am bank to feed the DXB-GRU flight. I believe that a departure earlier than 08:20 would start cutting into connecting traffic.

The real issue will be the arrivals back at DXB. The GRU flight is already the last flight in the 3pm to 9pm arrivals bank. But then again, the GRU flight to DXB is really 45 minutes early for the 10pm to 1am arrival bank.

The other issue will be the ground time. 1630 arrival with an 0200 departure is forcing 9.5 hours of ground time versus 6.5 hours. EK has been running the A380s hard (see the same link above). Losing the use of an A388 for 3 more hours per day is a cost that will add up.

I suspect there is further negotiation ahead, but that GRU will have no choice but to set fairly rigid conditions.   I'll be curious to see how the time changes effect the route's economics. I suspect EK will still launch the A380 to GRU on schedule.

Lightsaber



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User currently onlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
Allowing the A380 to GRU is a surprise.

Not really. It's all about politics. Infraero is trying to use this fact in time before GRU's concession to the private sector. Nothing has been done to prepare the airport for the A380. I mean NOTHING!

[Edited 2011-09-01 21:05:52]

User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5819 times:

And so it starts.
This will be a blow more to the european carriers for connecting traffic.

But if LH or AF start sending the A380 down, TAM will feel it. I wonder what they are gonna do in
terms of gate space? Simply send the A380 to a remote stand?


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5783 times:

I suspect EK will adjust its schedule to the slot requirements. An earlier departure from DXB will not be a problem and connectivity will still be guaranteed. The flight is currently scheduled for 10.35am from DXB, and that can easily be brought forward to 8.30am. The new GIG flight will leave at 7.10am. The return flight is scheduled close to the slot requirements already.

User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

So what route will Emirates fly its 380 into GRU? Does it overfly Africa and the atlantic to S.A. or Asia and the pacific? Will it be a non-stop flight?

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13536 posts, RR: 100
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5076 times:
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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 2):
Nothing has been done to prepare the airport for the A380. I mean NOTHING!

Ugh oh... Hope is not a plan.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 4):
I suspect EK will adjust its schedule to the slot requirements.

You're the expert.  

Lightsaber



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User currently offlinewillzzz88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5046 times:

JAAlbert,

EK flies DXB-GRU and very soon DXB-GIG.

They use the 100% Africa over-fly route.

The Pacific route to Auckland, Sydney and on-wards to Asia is flown only by 3 airlines:
LAN Chile (SCL-AKL-SYD), Aerolinas Argentinas (EZE-AKL-SYD) and Qantas (EZE-SYD but very soon SCL-SYD because they can use a regular 744 on that instead of a 744ER required for EZE-SYD).

EZE-SYD is trans-polar and SCL-AKL/SYD follows a polar-arc.


User currently offlineoksman From Brazil, joined Apr 2011, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4594 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 2):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
Allowing the A380 to GRU is a surprise.

Not really. It's all about politics. Infraero is trying to use this fact in time before GRU's concession to the private sector. Nothing has been done to prepare the airport for the A380. I mean NOTHING!

[Edited 2011-09-01 21:05:52]

It is very sad, but you're right. I'll be happy to see the A380 at GRU, but I don't know how the airport is going to handle it with it's current structure. Two weeks ago, the passport control queue was so loaded that it was reaching the gates, not allowing passengers to deplane! And the World Cup is coming.....


User currently offlineoksman From Brazil, joined Apr 2011, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 2):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
Allowing the A380 to GRU is a surprise.

Not really. It's all about politics. Infraero is trying to use this fact in time before GRU's concession to the private sector. Nothing has been done to prepare the airport for the A380. I mean NOTHING!

[Edited 2011-09-01 21:05:52]

It is very sad, but you're right. I'll be happy to see the A380 at GRU, but I don't know how the airport is going to handle it with it's current structure. Two weeks ago, the passport control queue was so loaded that it was reaching the gates, not allowing passengers to deplane! And the World Cup is coming.....


User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

Just an idea, but if EK are required to use the 1600 Arrival and 0200 departure slots, could they operate a tag-on to say EZE to reduce the amount of time the A380 has to spend on the ground at GRU (and not earning revenue).

Cheers,

MCO 2 BRS


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8658 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 10):
Just an idea, but if EK are required to use the 1600 Arrival and 0200 departure slots, could they operate a tag-on to say EZE to reduce the amount of time the A380 has to spend on the ground at GRU (and not earning revenue).

I doubt it. I suspect a lot of it has to do with airfield limitations as much as terminal limitations. GRU may not want to have an A380 taxiing around during the busy time. They may have to halt all ground ops to allow the A380 to taxi. Again, this is just a suspicion of mine, not a fact. Would be nice to know though.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4405 times:

AF is planing a DAILY A380 on CDG-GRU + a DAILY A380 on CDG-GIG for the winter 2012/2013.

User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4140 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 12):
AF is planing a DAILY A380 on CDG-GRU + a DAILY A380 on CDG-GIG for the winter 2012/201



that's great !!! I guess we will see LH considering the same  

now, this will raise the preasure on TAM   



On the run !!!
User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

Thanks Willzzz for responding! That must be quite a flight from DXB over africa and into GRU!

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