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Delta To Launch Honolulu-Fukuoka  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11290 times:

Delta will launch seasonal service to Fukoka, Japan on December 28. Flights now in GDS:

DL 599 HNL 1030-1705+1 FUK Daily 763
DL 598 FUK 2030-0910 HNL Daily 763


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User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 778 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11268 times:

Wow! didn't see this one coming. There currently is no nonstop service on this route, right?
Nice to see DL finally adding srv back into Japan.

Mah..you r the best and I hate to nitpick but I think it's spelled Fukuoka  Wink

[Edited 2011-09-02 00:41:23]

User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2952 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 11133 times:

Didn't see this coming. When was the last time NW/DL had their own flight to FUK?
Around 2000 with MD-11 to PDX?

If its seasonal, does it operate during the big holiday periods in Japan only? Winter only?


User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 912 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10874 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 2):
Didn't see this coming. When was the last time NW/DL had their own flight to FUK? Around 2000 with MD-11 to PDX?

Correct. Northwest had previously served Fukuoka from Honolulu (early to mid-90s) and Guam (early 90s)


User currently offlineje89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10710 times:
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After the addition of this FUK-HNL flight, it might be safe to say that DL is the largest Japan-Hawaii carrier.

An extra boost for tourism isn't a bad thing at all!  


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 753 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10660 times:

Cool!! If this goes well, I hope they'll try SEA-FUK or LAX-FUK to capture some of the business traffic.


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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8287 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10573 times:

Quoting je89_w (Reply 4):
After the addition of this FUK-HNL flight, it might be safe to say that DL is the largest Japan-Hawaii carrier.

Are you sure about that?

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User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10562 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 6):
Are you sure about that?

Didn't JL cut a huge chunk of its Hawaiian service as part of the restructure?


User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10342 times:

YES YES YES this is great news, at least for me--I am so excited about this!!!


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User currently offlinektachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10057 times:

I wonder how they intend to control the yields.

When JL operated this flight, they were losing money with an average of a 95% load.

I can't see things dramatically improving since now and then.



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8287 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9963 times:

Quoting delimit (Reply 7):
Didn't JL cut a huge chunk of its Hawaiian service as part of the restructure?

Maybe but they still have 6 daily flights between Japan and HNL: 3x NRT, HND, NGO, and KIX.


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1298 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9901 times:

Quoting delimit (Reply 7):
Didn't JL cut a huge chunk of its Hawaiian service as part of the restructure?

Yes at one point they flew to Sapparo, Fukuoka, Niigata, Hirishima, and Sendai


User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9868 times:

Quoting ktachiya (Reply 9):
I wonder how they intend to control the yields.

When JL operated this flight, they were losing money with an average of a 95% load.

I can't see things dramatically improving since now and then.

I'm guessing Delta's costs are far better than JL's.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 10):
Maybe but they still have 6 daily flights between Japan and HNL: 3x NRT, HND, NGO, and KIX.

How does that compare to Delta? DL is adding a fourth destination in Japan from HNL, but I don't know the various frequencies and planes involved. I'm guessing with JL's pulldown they are probably pretty close.

At the office or I would go do my own research.  


User currently offlineje89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9381 times:
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Quoting airbazar (Reply 6):
Are you sure about that?

Yep.

DL flights to Japan


Like those photos you posted, my photo is also somewhat out of date as it was taken earlier this year and doesn't really tell you much. (Except that Hawaii has rainbows! )

For the summer 2011 season, HNL saw:

2x NRT - B763/B744 (3x NRT 5 days/week - B763/2x B744)
1x KIX - B744
1x NGO - B763

Yes, JAL have since added more seats since their restructuring (B772 on certain flights/HND), but I personally think DL holds a comparable or maybe even greater chunk of the Japan-Hawaii market. We'll see what happens once DL's FUK service begins.


User currently offline777ord From United States of America, joined May 2010, 494 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8820 times:

That's excellent news! Having been a resident of Kyushu for 2 years recently, and ALWAYS having to go to HND-NRT to get a US flight (except the rare KIX connection) this is great news!!!

User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3262 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8286 times:

Quoting delimit (Reply 12):
I'm guessing Delta's costs are far better than JL's.

And the Yen is much stronger.


User currently offlinecslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7148 times:

It is routes like this that DL needs a "beach market" configuration for its 767-300ER (unless there are any still in a domestic configuration). I think a 767-300ER with configuration of either 18 J (existing Business Elite seats)/ 24 W (4 rows of 2-2-2 seating at 44 in pitch/31 Y+/143 Y or 18 J/67 Y+/143 Y. I think a beach market configuration like my two examples would increase revenue as DL could sell more seats and have less Business Elite seats empty (or filled with upgrades).


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User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6397 times:
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Quoting cslusarc (Reply 16):
It is routes like this that DL needs a "beach market" configuration for its 767-300ER (unless there are any still in a domestic configuration). I think a 767-300ER with configuration of either 18 J (existing Business Elite seats)/ 24 W (4 rows of 2-2-2 seating at 44 in pitch/31 Y+/143 Y or 18 J/67 Y+/143 Y. I think a beach market configuration like my two examples would increase revenue as DL could sell more seats and have less Business Elite seats empty (or filled with upgrades).

Which makes me think the 76P and/or 76Q configured 763's would make sense on the Beach Market, but would those aircraft have the range and payload to without weight restrictions. Configuring the 76ER aircraft any more than they presently are would defeat the purpose of us trying to streamline the configs of our 767 fleet



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User currently offlinecslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6282 times:

BTW what are the differences between the 76P and 76Q fleets? They are the domestic configured fleets. What are their ranges? Are both the 76P and 76Q ETOPS rated?


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 18):
BTW what are the differences between the 76P and 76Q fleets? They are the domestic configured fleets. What are their ranges? Are both the 76P and 76Q ETOPS rated?

76P:
Ships 1401-1404

Domestic config., non ERs. They are ETOPS 180 rated and have the big PWs hanging under the wings. These are the ones used to Hawaii at current.

76Q:
Ships 121, 124-139
Domestic config., non ERs. Not ETOPS rated and have the CF6s.



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User currently offlinecentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4711 times:

I have one word for this; Finally!

We have been waiting for this and so has FUK. I think this is the first step to more West Coast - secondary city Japan.
If this is successful seasonal, maybe it could go year-round. And if that works, maybe they will connect FUK to LAX like it used to be. Then maybe we will see seasonal CTS-HNL and its build up.

The 767 opened up more of Europe to North America. Finally it is helping to open North America to Japan. The 787 will only help more starting with NRT-BOS.

The ultimate question is will DL open a FUK-NRT connecter route to bring FUK into the full network.

[Edited 2011-09-02 22:43:28]


Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlinecslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4540 times:

Quoting centrair (Reply 20):
maybe they will connect FUK to LAX like it used to be

I think that SEA-FUK is more likely as AS and DL offer a whole bunch of connections at SEA. SEA would also reduce backracking vs LAX for most Americans outside of California.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2862 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4372 times:

A very interesting seasonal route addition that has probably taken us all by surprise. Then again, DL seems ready and willing to take much greater risks than its (U.S.) peers...

Is there some sort of subsidy or revenue arrangement in play here? I realize that DL has been steadily growing its Hawaii-Japan presence with the addition of NGO and now FUK, but NGO has had consistent service to HNL. FUK has not. If a Japanese airline can't pull it off (yes, I realize JL had its financial issues, but there's always NH to fill the void - the home country airlines have a huge leg up with the finicky local Japanese market), I would be shocked if a U.S. airline could...



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User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3262 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 22):
Is there some sort of subsidy or revenue arrangement in play here? I realize that DL has been steadily growing its Hawaii-Japan presence with the addition of NGO and now FUK, but NGO has had consistent service to HNL. FUK has not. If a Japanese airline can't pull it off (yes, I realize JL had its financial issues, but there's always NH to fill the void - the home country airlines have a huge leg up with the finicky local Japanese market), I would be shocked if a U.S. airline could...

The Japan-Hawaii market has been very strong for a couple of years and gotten better lately due to the strong Yen. JAL's shrinking presence has helped other carriers, particularly DL, HA and even CI to expand capacity profitably. Don't view this as a "U.S." airline entering a "foreign" market. Delta's (through NW) historic presence in the Japan-Hawaii market is nearly as strong as JAL's. The market is driven by tour operators that Delta has strong relationships with. Given the strength of the other Japan-U.S. markets, the existing size of the FUK-HNL market and the lack of competition on this route, I think this is one of the most promising new routes Delta has added over the past new years.

I'm sure it is a little disappointing to HA as I suspect they has their eyes on FUK for their mid-term network plan.


User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3905 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

Why is this such a surprise? NWA operated HNL-FUK as well as HNL-NGO pre merger. NWA brought the Pac network to the merger. DL RE-starting a slew of previously operated Pac routes by NWA (SEA-KIX, DTW-PEK, PVG, Seoul) and starting new ones, is a logical and wise move. The economics, fleet and feed have all changed the dynamic of the entire network.

Interesting facts: NWA started operating the NGO route on behalf of America West after their odd and failed foray into Asia tanked. NWA operated the FUK route on behalf of Hawaiian. Both evolved into full fledged NWA routes. Now they've come full circle and are being operated again. Interesting that HA has their sights on FUK once again.


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