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Ryanair "fixed" Seats?  
User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11664 times:

I was surprised to hear that Ryanair had airplanes with "fixed" seats.
Which means - no reclining at all and very small pitch.

A guy on my favorite Russian forum referred to his flights Bari-Bratislava and Venice-Paris.
Both flights were within 90 minutes.

I am asking as Ryanair has much longer flights.
I was considering buying property (prior to the "revolution") in Sharm el Sheikh.
And the case of UK property manager was based on a new Rynair regular flight.
I still keep thinking about Sharm....

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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5837 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11561 times:

All FR 738s have 29" pitch with no recline.   

Everyone knows that you don't use FR because it's comfortable or pleasant.


User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11450 times:

Thanks for your response.
I just had no chance - as of yet - to try it.
At least I know now.


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1804 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11432 times:

Most of Easyjet's seats are the same.............and believe it or not (I was kind of surprised) they are usually championed by passengers. One or two ask why they don't recline but very rarely do they 'whine' about it. There is certainly some link to that and the fact that at one airline I used to fly for there were countless squabbles regarding reclined seats that invariably saw the cabin crew drawn into the argument.


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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11415 times:

NK is also installing the "pre-reclined" seats. Not sure if FR has pre-reclined or not.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...10-05-11-businesstravel11_ST_N.htm

The less bells and whistles and moving parts, the less MX costs there are to upkeep the seats, so for an ULCC, it makes sense. Some of those seat parts are insanely expensive.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11291 times:

Quoting pylon101 (Thread starter):
I was surprised to hear that Ryanair had airplanes with "fixed" seats.
Which means - no reclining at all and very small pitch.

Many AF A320-family aircraft, mainly those used on domestic routes I believe, also have new lightweight non-reclinable seats. I was on an AF A319 or A320 with those seats on a CDG-GVA flight a few months ago. I wasn't impressed. They're described here. The legroom is somewhat greater due to the thin-back design but the seats seemed very hard and the armrests and drop-down trays are very small.
http://corporate.airfrance.com/filea...cuments/press_kits/siege_cc_en.pdf


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5837 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11241 times:

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 2):
Thanks for your response.
I just had no chance - as of yet - to try it.
At least I know now.

I'm sorry... I see now that my response came off as dismissive toward you. That was not the intent. It was supposed to be dismissive toward FR...  


User currently offlinebonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11220 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
The legroom is somewhat greater due to the thin-back design but the seats seemed very hard and the armrests and drop-down trays are very small.

29" pitch seems like a lot more when the seats are 2+" thinner.

Pitch is measured on the seat track in the floor, correct?


User currently onlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2188 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11175 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 1):
Everyone knows that you don't use FR because it's comfortable or pleasant

Ever flown FR? The seats are perfectly comfortable for most flights!  


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5837 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11132 times:

Quoting eicvd (Reply 8):
Ever flown FR? The seats are perfectly comfortable for most flights!

I have indeed flown FR, and (as you would expect from 29" pitch) it was far from comfortable. I'm only 178 cm tall and my knees were wedged against the seat in front of me.

That's their choice -- it's the only way to cram 189 people into a 738 -- but it's one of several reasons I'll avoid them if possible.


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1976 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11045 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 9):
but it's one of several reasons I'll avoid them if possible.

Oh I know most of us can think of a lot MORE reasons to avoid them than their seating...


User currently onlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2188 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11045 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 9):
I have indeed flown FR, and (as you would expect from 29" pitch) it was far from comfortable. I'm only 178 cm tall and my knees were wedged against the seat in front of me.

Well im 182 cm tall & ive had no problems, then again ive only flown relatively short flights with them recently (DUB-LGW & return). I wouldnt like to fly Ryanair down to the Canarias or Greece (or any holiday airline for that matter) but on flights up to 2 hours the seats are fine.


User currently offlineDanTaylor2006 From UK - England, joined Feb 2006, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11028 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 9):
I have indeed flown FR, and (as you would expect from 29" pitch) it was far from comfortable. I'm only 178 cm tall and my knees were wedged against the seat in front of me.

Intriguing. I'm 191cm tall and my knees only just about touch the seat in front, not enough to be overly uncomfortable anyway. You must have insanely long legs (especially as my legs make up a hefty amount of my 191cm!). EasyJet, on the other hand, my knees were well into the seatback and I came off that flight with absolutely horrendous cramp, and it was only a 1hr flight. Put me off easyJet for a considerable amount of time, and I still haven't flown them since.

I'm a fan of fixed seats because they prevent people from reclining into the already small space in front of my legs... I had to put up with a lovely Italian gentleman on a recent Alitalia flight reclining for the entire 2 hours on one of their 29" A320s. Hell.



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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4810 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11006 times:

If you pay for priority boarding, you can usually get an emergency exit row seat. The vast majority of pax who pay for this choose the first and last few rows to speed their disembarkation. Even when not paying for this I have still been able to get a seat in one of the two exit rows on fully flights - most pax really seem to want to get off first.

I'm 191cm tall and I have absolutely no problems even on the regular seats on FR - longest flight I have done on them is LPL-RIX.


User currently onlinemarky From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10901 times:

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 7):
29" pitch seems like a lot more when the seats are 2+" thinner.

Pitch is measured on the seat track in the floor, correct?

I don't think so - certainly in the UK it is the distance between a point on the seat cushion and the back of the chair in front - so thinner seats don't increase the space


User currently offlineaceregular From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10771 times:

Quoting DanTaylor2006 (Reply 12):
Intriguing. I'm 191cm tall and my knees only just about touch the seat in front, not enough to be overly uncomfortable anyway. You must have insanely long legs (especially as my legs make up a hefty amount of my 191cm!)

Funny that! I am the same size and today I flew MAN-TFS on an EasyJet A320 and I could happily strecth my legs out under the seat in front without any bother and if sitting bolt upright my knee´s didnt touch the seatpocket. I have quite a short body for my height, so a lot of my height is leg. Still its all horses for course´s. I think the charter airlines could learn a lot from the so called low-cost sector. Remove the recline and get rid of those bulky seatpockets full of sales rubbish.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10754 times:

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 7):
Pitch is measured on the seat track in the floor, correct?
Quoting marky (Reply 14):
Quoting bonusonus (Reply 7):
29" pitch seems like a lot more when the seats are 2+" thinner.

Pitch is measured on the seat track in the floor, correct?

I don't think so - certainly in the UK it is the distance between a point on the seat cushion and the back of the chair in front - so thinner seats don't increase the space

Not correct. Seat pitch is always the distance between a fixed point on one seat and the same point on the next row of seats. As bonusonus mentioned, it can also be measured between the seat track attachment points. That's why many airlines are installing thin-back seats as they can reduce the pitch by a couple of inches (making room for another row or two of seats) without reducing (and sometimes increasing) effective leg/kneeroom.


User currently onlinemarky From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10628 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
Not correct

Perhaps I didn't explain myself very well - it is correct as far as the minimum seat pitch is defined in the UK, although I accept airlines may measure it differently.

CAA Publication CAP 747, Generic Requirement No. 2 'Minimum Space for Seated Passengers' (www.caa.co.uk/cap747) states:

"The minimum distance between the back support cushion of a seat and the back of the seat or other fixed structure in front, shall be 26 inches."

This applies to all UK registered aeroplanes over 5,700 kg MTWA, operated for the purposes of Commercial Air Transport and configured to carry 20 or more passengers.


User currently offlineby188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10568 times:

Part of the reason i fly FR and EZY is that the seats don't recline, being 6ft 2'' theres nothing worse than when the person in front reclines. So irritating!


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10545 times:

Quoting marky (Reply 17):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
Not correct

Perhaps I didn't explain myself very well - it is correct as far as the minimum seat pitch is defined in the UK, although I accept airlines may measure it differently.

CAA Publication CAP 747, Generic Requirement No. 2 'Minimum Space for Seated Passengers' (www.caa.co.uk/cap747) states:

"The minimum distance between the back support cushion of a seat and the back of the seat or other fixed structure in front, shall be 26 inches."

This applies to all UK registered aeroplanes over 5,700 kg MTWA, operated for the purposes of Commercial Air Transport and configured to carry 20 or more passengers.

Note the UK CAA document you refer to doesn't use the term "pitch" but "space". What it is referring to is not seat pitch which is always measured the same way. Pitch determines how many rows of seats can be installed on the aircraft. Other terms like legroom, seating space etc. depend on the type of seat in combination with the pitch.


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1804 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10520 times:

Quoting aceregular (Reply 15):
Quoting DanTaylor2006 (Reply 12):Intriguing. I'm 191cm tall and my knees only just about touch the seat in front, not enough to be overly uncomfortable anyway. You must have insanely long legs (especially as my legs make up a hefty amount of my 191cm!)
Funny that! I am the same size and today I flew MAN-TFS on an EasyJet A320 and I could happily strecth my legs out under the seat in front without any bother and if sitting bolt upright my knee´s didnt touch the seatpocket. I have quite a short body for my height, so a lot of my height is leg. Still its all horses for course´s. I think the charter airlines could learn a lot from the so called low-cost sector. Remove the recline and get rid of those bulky seatpockets full of sales rubbish.

The A320's (in particular) at Easyjet are strange in that seat pitch reduces gradually after around row 25 and row 31 is very tight. The last row on the A319 is too but to a lesser extent. I can only think that this is where the 29" seat pitch relates to as I honestly can't tell much difference in seat pitch between GB and Easy on rows other than those i've mentioned.

Quoting by188b (Reply 18):
Part of the reason i fly FR and EZY is that the seats don't recline, being 6ft 2'' theres nothing worse than when the person in front reclines. So irritating!

And that is why so many people are actually for it. Reclinable seats was/are just not worth it. Long haul there is a case for them but even then i don't think i've ever reclined my seat partly out of courtesy to those behind but mainly because I don't really gain much benefit from it. I think much of the "recline" is psychological to many. A pre/part reclined seat is a fantastic concept.



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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10485 times:

While I don't particularly like FR, I find their non-reclining seats quite reasonable, if not comfortable. And I've been on them to the Canary Islands (3.5 hour flight). I find both Easyjet's and Vueling's seats more uncomfortable than Ryanair's, although overal I like them both better than FR.


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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10453 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 4):
NK is also installing the "pre-reclined" seats.

G4 has the pre-reclined seats on most of their planes as well.



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User currently offlineprebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6537 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10310 times:

Quoting by188b (Reply 18):
Part of the reason i fly FR and EZY is that the seats don't recline, being 6ft 2'' theres nothing worse than when the person in front reclines. So irritating!

   I'm also 6' 2"

At least here in Scandinavia, where people on average are higher than the world average, it is considered more and more an offence against the passenger behind you to recline an Y class seat. And consequently much fewer people actually do recline these days.

I am a polite man. I never ever recline my seat when the seat behind is occupied. I am not the only polite person. Recently I have noticed some people who ask the passenger behind whether it is OK to recline, something which never happened 20 years ago. And I have seen them still smile when the answer was "please don't".

I will choose a carrier with non reclining seats any day over the alternative, but unfortunately there often is no choice.

It's a mystery that this reclining exists in Y class, when people can happily endure train rides of much longer duration without reclining seats, and have done so for well over 150 years. It must be some stupid leftover from the days of 45 pax on a DC-7.

Hopefully in another ten years time the last reclining Y class seat has been scrapped.



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User currently offlineBeakerLTN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8969 times:

I'm guessing I'm wrong here, but I'd always though that the seat pitch on Ryanair was greater than 29". The 189 seat limit was due to the emergency exit limitation, so the seat pitch was a little greater. This is why when you sit in a 'true' 29" pitch it's a lot tighter, for example on a 29" 757?

Am I wrong here?

incidently, flown a shed oad on Ryanair and it's always been pretty comfortable for me (6"1') - it's the other stuff which means I avoid them now. I'm just fed up at having to play their game.



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25 Post contains images macairmetro : Flew Tiger Airways in Australia at Easter time (OOL-MEL, MEL-OOL) and they'd 'locked' the seats - on both sectors I couldn't recline the seat. I notic
26 spencer : Headrest to headrest. Spence
27 bcnpascal : Hi, On easyJet receiving new A/C with reclined seats few years ago, they were not working proberly after few weeks only, they needed to be fixed, due
28 Post contains images Navigator : From my own experience as passenger on very many Ryanair flights I do not really agree with you if you are talking about the flights with Ryanair. Th
29 Post contains images GCT64 : I only fly "short" flights on Easyjet but I do a lot of them (170 flights in the last 2.5 years). I find the non-reclining seat aircraft far preferabl
30 AF1624 : FWIW, FlyBe's aircraft also have non reclinable seats.
31 aerdingus : If I drop somethin on the floor of an FR 738, it's there for the rest of the flight as I can't bend down to pick it up without contorting myself again
32 TCASAlert : Why do you need reclining seats on flights 1 hour long?
33 Pe@rson : I'm 6', yet never had an issue with their seats.
34 Doona : I'm 6'2", can't say I've had an issue either. And the diligent traveller should be able to snag an exit row seat as well. In my experience, the crews
35 spencer : For the silly prices I pay I'm willing to put up with any of their music/queues/questions/add-ons/what-nots. Sure, I'd like a recliner but for 1.5 hrs
36 airbuseric : Indeed. No problems with FR for the relatively short European flights I'm 189cm tall and never face issues with seats on FR flights. 189 pax on a 738
37 canadiantree : I flew FR once return on a 2 hour flight from BVA to BTS and I'm 186cm tall. The flight felt very cramped and I felt that the ticket price (€60 excl
38 Pe@rson : So why did you buy it?!
39 brons2 : I am 200cm and I have done a number of flights on FR. Exit row only for me. Paying the extra for the pre-boarding is a no-brainer for me.
40 garynor : It was his first flight with FR? Height is one thing, torso vs. leg length another. At 178cm, a pitch of 32" is comfortable, I have an estimated 2" r
41 Viscount724 : 189 is the maximum permissible seating for the 738 according to the FAA certification.
42 GT4EZY : Whilst I would never work for Ryanair (my own choice), I can honestly say that they are amongst the best paid in the industry. They are work hard but
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