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Man Dies On JQ Flight After Choking On Meal  
User currently offlineTCASAlert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17386 times:

Strange story here - guy chokes on the beef and dies on a JQ flight from SIN-AKL........

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti.../Man-chokes-death-flight-meal.html

[Edited 2011-09-04 13:25:22]

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User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17207 times:

I read about this in a Swedish tabloid, apperently his girlfriend had to sit next to him for 9 hours.

Source in Swedish.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article13573568.ab


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25698 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17150 times:
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Quoting deltamartin (Reply 1):
I read about this in a Swedish tabloid, apperently his girlfriend had to sit next to him for 9 hours.

She didn't have to - she chose to. From the linked article in the OP:

"Mr Rippingale's body was moved to the crew rest area, where it was covered with a blanket.

But Miss Preechakul did not want to leave him. She was given permission to sit next to her boyfriend's body for the remaining nine hours of the flight."


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User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16601 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 2):
She didn't have to - she chose to.

Suspected it was something like that, just the tabloid article that were twisted as usual.  
Should have read OP's article aswell.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16485 times:
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Quoting TCASAlert (Thread starter):
Strange story here - guy chokes on the beef and dies on a JQ flight from SIN-AKL........

JQ ? That's Jetstar Australia. I thought that the SIN-AKL flights were operated by Jetstar Asia (3K)



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User currently offlineRvXKaz From Singapore, joined Apr 2011, 195 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 16429 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 4):
I thought that the SIN-AKL flights were operated by Jetstar Asia (3K)

Yup they are operated by 3K for JQ under JQ flight numbers, manned by 3K crew but using JQ aircraft.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6631 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 16207 times:

Why does the paper have a HUGE picture of the airline??????


I feel woozy....what did you put in that Pudding Pop?
User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6614 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15501 times:
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I don´t understand why this happened. Apparently, nurses and doctors came to his aid and attempted to help him. They could have performed a tracheotomy, I´m sure the plane carries the equipment for such eventualities. I think there´s more to this story. Maybe he had an anaphylactic shock, which symptoms can mask a choking. But, similarly, the remedy for that ought to have been carried on the "other" first aid kit, as the scalpel for the tracheotomy, the one only the purser or the captain can authorize to be opened.

It´s sounds strange to me.


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15471 times:

The man had a history of heart trouble, including a couple of recent valve operations. He might have died from that, rather than from choking.


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User currently offlineB6JFKSEA From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14416 times:

Such a tragic story. I don't think people know how easy it is to choke on something. I almost choked to death on a meatball in a Subway restuarant a few weeks ago. Thank God a man came to my rescue and did the Heimlich manuvuer on me. It was VERY scary and I was beginning to pass out. After it was all over, the guy wouldn't give me his name or anything. He just walked out.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14161 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 4):

JQ / 3K still seen as JetStar in my eyes... difference being wages and conditions...

EK413



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User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1640 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14071 times:

Quoting B6JFKSEA (Reply 9):
Such a tragic story. I don't think people know how easy it is to choke on something. I almost choked to death on a meatball in a Subway restuarant a few weeks ago. Thank God a man came to my rescue and did the Heimlich manuvuer on me. It was VERY scary and I was beginning to pass out. After it was all over, the guy wouldn't give me his name or anything. He just walked out.


I too have choked very easily on food, too many times, in my short life (I ended up in 2 ERs on Mother's Day 1986, and also choked nearly to death twice in another year; the Heimlich manoeuvre saved me the last time). Due to my jaw deformities and small, obstructed airway anatomy, it is a very serious, life threatening risk for me. That's why I only eat a soft diet anywhere I am at. Tracheotomies are no fun--I've had too many of them (the most recent one being in 1991, at age 16).

The worst fear I have is suddenly choking to death on a piece of food (especially when alone at home). There is no terror like that experienced when the airway is completely blocked and you cannot breathe at all. Nothing matters at all except survival (getting breath)--it has an amazing way of clearing your mind!

Be VERY careful when eating!

By the way, I have read reports in medical journals that a major cardiac event can immediately accompany a choking event (or indeed be precipitated immediately by the choking event). I just remembered that off the top of my head. If I remember rightly, choking can precipitate an immediate (autonomic?) nervous response that arrests the heart right then and there. This is called a cafe coronary by medical professionals.

SmithAir747

[Edited 2011-09-04 21:48:42]

[Edited 2011-09-04 21:49:52]

[Edited 2011-09-04 21:53:17]


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User currently offlineJulian773 From Australia, joined Aug 2009, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12066 times:

Yes the cabin crew are 3K but the flight crew are Australian (JQ).

Very sad indeed, may he RIP.


User currently offlinedarenw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11852 times:

http://travel.msn.co.nz/travelnews/8...ght-passengers-offered-100-voucher

Sounds more like his heart condition


User currently offlineTCASAlert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11779 times:

Quoting darenw (Reply 13):
Sounds more like his heart condition

Yup just seen this on here too:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...ition/story-e6frg6so-1226129756905

His family say he had a hole in his heart. I wonder if complications from this would give people the illusion of you choking though?

Regardless of how he died it is a terrible waste of a young life, especially to go on holiday and with your partner watching  


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5746 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8458 times:
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Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 11):
the Heimlich manoeuvre saved me the last time
Quoting B6JFKSEA (Reply 9):
Thank God a man came to my rescue and did the Heimlich manuvuer on me.

Guys, glad that worked for you but the Heimlich manoeuvre has been, if not discredited, largely superseded by other treatments.

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 11):
(especially when alone at home).

The Australian Red Cross report this as a significant issue, if home alone I am not sure what to do( I live alone) but the ARC says if you have a choking incident stay where there are people!! Many people, apparently afraid of embarrassment head to the Rest rooms or some other isolated place... you may not be embarrassed by your situation but you may very well die quietly and alone!



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User currently offlineGrid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7313 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
Why does the paper have a HUGE picture of the airline??????

Probably because it wanted photos to go with the story and it could not find many reasonably-priced, easily-available ones.



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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3772 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6000 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 15):
Guys, glad that worked for you but the Heimlich manoeuvre has been, if not discredited, largely superseded by other treatments.

Always wondered why I only hear about the Heimlich whilst in the US or from American media/culture.

Probably says more about me not bothering to find out whatever the hell I'm supposed to if someone starts choking... Manly slap on the back, anyone?

Cheers
Mats



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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6614 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5469 times:
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Quoting Doona (Reply 17):
Probably says more about me not bothering to find out whatever the hell I'm supposed to if someone starts choking... Manly slap on the back, anyone?

The best thing is to learn how to do a tracheotomy, which is not that difficult if you learn how. A slap on the back risks lodging whatever is stuck more solidly.


User currently offlineMarkhkg From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

Quoting Doona (Reply 17):
Probably says more about me not bothering to find out whatever the hell I'm supposed to if someone starts choking... Manly slap on the back, anyone?

"To Heimlich or not to Heimlich" has been one of the strangest medical controversies in international medicine. CPR guidelines are revised every 5 years, the latest being 2010. There is an actually an international body that reviews all available evidence, provides guidance and then it's up to each national agency (e.g. American Heart Associtation, UK Resuscitation Council, Australian Resuscitation Council) to decide what's is in the guidelines for their country. Abdominal thrusts continue to be taught in the United States and in the United Kingdom. Australia has never really been a fan of abdominal thrusts and elects to teach chest thrusts and back slaps.

The latest review of the science suggests that all of these techniques (chest thrusts, back slaps and abdominal thrusts) can be used during a choking, but that doesn't stop researchers from taking shots from each other on what is best (Dr Heimlich himself rather famously started calling back blows "death blows" but the science really hasn't confirmed that these actually make things worse.) There is a lot of confusion amongst first aid/CPR trainers who may not be aware that just because their country teaches it one way does not mean it is necessarily the "absolute" way.

Ultimately, what matters most is that someone acts and does SOMETHING. Do what you have been trained to do...the jury is still out on the "best" treatment, but in the interim just get in there and do something!

Quoting AR385 (Reply 18):
The best thing is to learn how to do a tracheotomy, which is not that difficult if you learn how.

This procedure is easy on paper, but in reality it is far more perilous. It must be practiced frequently to ensure competency.



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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6614 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4542 times:
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Quoting Markhkg (Reply 19):
This procedure is easy on paper, but in reality it is far more perilous. It must be practiced frequently to ensure competency.

I agree, it ought to be THE LAST RESORT. But if nothing is working and you hae some PRACTICAL knowledge on how to do it, and the person is already cyanotic, what exactly do you have to loose?


User currently offlineMarkhkg From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 20):
what exactly do you have to loose?

In the context of the aviation setting, it will be challenging. Most Emergency Medical Kits (EMKs) or Doctor's kits do not carry the required equipment for a tracheotomy due to security concerns (i.e. no scalpels), nor do they even carry advanced airway equipment such as endotrachael tubes. Even if you wanted to do a simpler needle tracheotomy, it will be a challenge because the kits do not necessarily carry the needles that are big enough to be effective.

British Airways has one of the most comprehensive medical kits I've come across, and they are somewhat renowned for a rather famous case where a chest tube was inserted into a patient using a foley catheter and a coat hanger in a patient from HKG to LHR. But BA's level of equipment far exceeds what most carriers have (or are required to have)...they are the exception rather than the rule.



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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6614 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4394 times:
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Quoting Markhkg (Reply 21):
In the context of the aviation setting, it will be challenging. Most Emergency Medical Kits (EMKs) or Doctor's kits do not carry the required equipment for a tracheotomy due to security concerns (i.e. no scalpels),

I did not know that. I assumed airlines carried the necessary equipment with which a doctor on board could perform a tracheotomy. If they don´t, there are other kitchen instruments a savy doctor could use. Granted, much much more difficult procedure and higyencally dubious. But what you are saying is that if the Heimlich maneuver does not work, perfeclty capablel medical personnel onboard will not be able to save that person´s life.

Too bad.


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