BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1887 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 25317 times:
This seems like two rather short routes for the 787, considering JAL's first 787 route is NRT-BOS!
mhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 376 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 25162 times:
Likely, as this is a completely new fleet type. I'll bet even UA and ANA will fly some shorter routes before launching BOS, FRA, AKL, etc. Perhaps the first UA route we see could be IAH-ORD!
aussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1161 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 24767 times:
Availability on 01November shows all 787 flight waitlisted but available for freesell on 02 November. Sounds like the 01 NOV flights will be for dignatories, employees, media etc. Maybe some NH employees can verify.
gytr31 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2011, 25 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 24159 times:
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 2): This seems like two rather short routes for the 787, considering JAL's first 787 route is NRT-BOS!
Crew training and familiarity among other things, being a brand new type there will be a bit of this to do, much the same as when the A380 was introduced to AF and they deployed it to LHR for example. Although SQ put the A380 straight onto the SYD route most other airlines are conservative in their initial destinations,
comairguycvg From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 304 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 23475 times:
I remember when DL got their 777's they did ATL-MCO for training and familiarity...cause I took a flight one day! I had no earthly reason to go to MCO, other than to ride the 777. Then came right back to ATL on it about an hour or so later.
ZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 924 posts, RR: 7 Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 22898 times:
Tried to book for mid-November, and get this:
*Reservations for Japan domestic flights must be made within 2months prior to the departure date.
WTF? Only 2 months in advance????? (and I meanANY flight, not just B787...)
Weird to me!
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PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 65 Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 22595 times:
Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 7): Tried to book for mid-November, and get this:
*Reservations for Japan domestic flights must be made within 2months prior to the departure date.
WTF? Only 2 months in advance????? (and I meanANY flight, not just B787...)
Yep. Get used to it. Frustrating.
Quoting comairguycvg (Reply 6): I remember when DL got their 777's they did ATL-MCO for training and familiarity...cause I took a flight one day! I had no earthly reason to go to MCO, other than to ride the 777.
Mmm. I flew ZRH-CDG-ZRH in April 1991 to get on the first SR MD11s. They went tech on both legs and I had the pleasure of yet two more flights on MD81s.
qf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2555 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 21326 times:
Can't wait for these birds to fly to FRA early next year!! I desperately want to just go to Japan and just fly on one of these flights, but alas my bank account won't allow me to go thousands of dollars overdrawn
briboy From Canada, joined Jul 2001, 321 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 18231 times:
Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 7): Only 2 months in advance????? (and I meanANY flight, not just B787...)
Oh, there are ways around this. You can book "return" flights two weeks later than your first segment—even if they are beyond the 2 month limit. As well, if you are connecting to/from an international flight, you can book farther out. Finally, if you have an international flight on *A to/from Japan, you can book a *A Japan Air Pass.
Flying OKJ»HND on the 10th
next up: YYC, SFO, SYD, AKL, WLG, CMB, BKK, SIN, FRA, VCE, JFK
suseJ772 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 625 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 16121 times:
Am I missing something here? I didn't know the 787 passed final certification from the FAA?
jlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 604 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15684 times:
Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 12): Am I missing something here? I didn't know the 787 passed final certification from the FAA?
The title caught me off guard also. I think it should read that ALL NIPPON MAKES 787 TRIPS BOOKABLE.....or something like that.
flylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 721 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15384 times:
Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 12): Am I missing something here? I didn't know the 787 passed final certification from the FAA?
I'm really not trying to be mean, but your post reminds me of a recent Geico commercial ... something about a living under a rock.
The title of this topic is very misleading. ANA has NOT put the 787 into service. They have simply loaded it is the schedule. On Nov 1 we can post a topic saying it is in service.
suseJ772 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 625 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15094 times:
Quoting flylku (Reply 15): I'm really not trying to be mean, but your post reminds me of a recent Geico commercial ... something about a living under a rock.
Ha! Well I am no stranger to laughing at myself when I do stupid things. Although to my credit, August consisted of four 12-hour work days a week, and then weekends spent in Key West, Hilton Head Island, and Nicaragua... so this is the about the first free moment I have had in 30 days
laxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 383 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13021 times:
Very nice; I am very happy and congrats to both parties, again? Why are they waiting so long on the ground?
elbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 735 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12784 times:
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 2): This seems like two rather short routes for the 787, considering JAL's first 787 route is NRT-BOS!
They never said that would be the first route, just the first overseas route. They'll likely do shorthaul runs for awhile just as NH is doing for the sake of getting the crews used to it.
Since I'm planning on going to school in Florida next year, I'm holding out hope UA will be doing some IAH-MCO runs when they get theirs.
YXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 306 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12055 times:
When a new type is sold does Boeing usually send a team with that plane for it's first month in service just to help them get through any potential growing pains with it?
ExL10Mktg From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 32 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9771 times:
Quoting flylku (Reply 15):
Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 12):
Am I missing something here? I didn't know the 787 passed final certification from the FAA?
I'm really not trying to be mean, but your post reminds me of a recent Geico commercial ... something about a living under a rock.
Well I don't live under a rock and I too missed this momentous announcement. Granted those of us on the east coast were preoccupied with the hurricane, but that didn't stop me from scanning both this site and regular news sites during that time (not necessarily looking for 787 certification, but it slipped by rather quietly IMHO.)
fpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 754 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9745 times:
Quoting comairguycvg (Reply 6): I remember when DL got their 777's they did ATL-MCO for training and familiarity...cause I took a flight one day! I had no earthly reason to go to MCO, other than to ride the 777. Then came right back to ATL on it about an hour or so later
Lol, I was on one of those flights! Loved the new airplane smell!
airindia787 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 51 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9020 times:
Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 18): Since I'm planning on going to school in Florida next year, I'm holding out hope UA will be doing some IAH-MCO runs when they get theirs.
I doubt it, as MCO is somewhat far from IAH compared to ATL. Plus MCO was a relatively large destination for DL back then. It is most likely that we will see inter-hub flights such as IAH-ORD or ORD-EWR, considering that the 787 is a relatively large aircraft.
cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21240 posts, RR: 19 Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8725 times:
Quoting airindia787 (Reply 22): It is most likely that we will see inter-hub flights such as IAH-ORD or ORD-EWR, considering that the 787 is a relatively large aircraft.
Agreed, and they'll probably keep them out of ORD and EWR because of the day to day operational challenges there - there's no sense in making things any harder than they need to be with a new type. My money would be on routes involving IAH, DEN and LAX.
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YXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 306 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7739 times:
I'd be curious where AC will launch their 787's? Put it on YVR - YYZ for the first month and then into Europe or South America? Or by that time will they just put it directly into a long haul service?
25 fxramper: So sad, back in the day when it was acceptable, in flight, for a cockpit visit. You book your ticket yet? I'm sure I will for work. I last used NH on
26 MadameConcorde: The real first commercial flight is the charter to HKG on 26 October not the domestic ones. I registered me in the lottery with my AMC number and an
27 adamblang: Does FAA certification matter for an aircraft operating entirely outside the US?
28 acidradio: I edited the thread title to reflect this. Thanks for the heads-up!
29 centrair: Jealousy....pure jealousy. We won't see it here at NGO in commercial service for a while. We just build sections for now.
30 suseJ772: I am pretty sure they can't legally produce and deliver aircraft that isn't FAA certified regardless of the country it was sold into.
31 flybyguy: If a Boeing aircraft is manufactured in U.S. territory then its certification is under the jurisdiction of the FAA. Sometimes FAA standards are diffe
32 Drerx7: FWIW, historically CO introduced new types (particularly widebodies) on IAH-LAX/EWR/MCO and EWR-MCO/LAX. With hubs at IAH, IAD, ORD, DEN, SFO, CLE, L
33 gemuser: Legally no, but practically yes. It can, probably not economically, but it could be done. Again, it usually is, but it could be done differently, IF
34 NorthstarBoy: Just for what it's worth, the configuration is F 12/Y252 That is according to the seatmap for NH 651. the first 2 rows are F class, the other 32 rows
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