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SWA Extends Schedule: Adds LAS/PHX To ATL  
User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8938 times:

Carrier Will Add Las Vegas and Phoenix to Nonstop Destinations Out of Atlanta, Starting March 10, 2012

DALLAS, Sept. 5, 2011 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ --

Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV) announced today that the carrier is expanding its service plan for Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport next year with two additional nonstop destinations, Las Vegas and Phoenix. For sale today, the carrier will add daily, roundtrip flights between Atlanta and Las Vegas and Atlanta and Phoenix for travel beginning March 10, 2012.

http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/ea...reach-time-make-spring-break-plans

Some were wondering why PHX/LAS were not added in the first round, now we will see it in the second round!

Alex


Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
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User currently offlineFlyingHollander From Netherlands, joined Jul 2011, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8882 times:

Doesn't AirTran already serve the ATL-PHX route?


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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8828 times:

Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 1):
Doesn't AirTran already serve the ATL-PHX route?

Yes, as does Air Tran to LAS, DEN, MDW, HOU, and BWI. WN is adding what they call complimentary service in addition to what Air Tran serves. They will subtract one or two flights on the FL side, and add WN metal to those cities, keeping the daily flights around the same.

The only new market to ATL from both WN/FL so far is the AUS non stop.

Alex



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User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8580 times:

BOS-PHL service is getting axed to free up aircraft to add this new service.. enjoy wnfg  


my post are my opinion only and not those of southwest airlines and or airtran airlines.
User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8033 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 3):
BOS-PHL service is getting axed to free up aircraft to add this new service.. enjoy wnfg

Indeed, looks like it is gone after 11Feb.

With WN leaving PHL-BOS, I will now agree with others that we will likely see PHL-MHT/PVD rise


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1306 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7976 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 3):
BOS-PHL service is getting axed to free up aircraft to add this new service

Once again great news for US in PHL. Philadelphians have chosen US again. I believe with this, PHL can officially be labeled as a failed experiment for WN. While they will never can MCO, TPA, MDW, and DEN, I could easily see HOU and RDU service being canned in the future.


User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7949 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 5):
While they will never can MCO, TPA, MDW, and DEN, I could easily see HOU and RDU service being canned in the future

HOU before another spoke station? I find that odd...

WN still serves out of PHL...STL, BNA, JAX, RSW, PBI, PHX, LAS, on top of what you have already mentioned.

I am not disagreeing the failed statement, but WN is still big in PHL and still flying to a lot of destinations, more than a lot of spoke stations could hope to get. Would you expect HOU dropped before JAX, RSW, STL or any of the others?

Alex



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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1306 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7868 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 6):
Would you expect HOU dropped before JAX, RSW, STL or any of the others?


JAX is being axed in January. HOU started out at 2 daily and is down to 1 flight. It will be interesting to see but before one could do BOS/PVD/MHT-PHL-HOU as a one stop. After January, it will have to survive on all O&D


User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7802 times:

Good, I guess all the people who were throwing a fit on the first thread about ATL service can now see that all their favorite stations will, in fact, eventually be added...

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 5):
Once again great news for US in PHL. Philadelphians have chosen US again.

And that's a good thing?!? You have, in fact, flown on US before right?  


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7164 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7105 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 4):
Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 3):
BOS-PHL service is getting axed to free up aircraft to add this new service.. enjoy wnfg

Indeed, looks like it is gone after 11Feb.

With WN leaving PHL-BOS, I will now agree with others that we will likely see PHL-MHT/PVD rise

That's a little bit shocking. B6 never even entered it.


User currently offlinejayspilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

I think this WN pr game is pathetic. Effective in May 2011 WN bought Airtran and since then has been serving ATL with a 100% wholey owned subsidary. These announcments would be teh same as Delta making a big deal about taking over a frequency that is now flown by Comair. YTD the only new route flown out of ATL is ATL-AUS. I'll be more excited when we see ATL-BDL or ATL-PVD or MTH or ISP... those would be new flights to new markets.

User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5878 times:

Quoting jayspilot (Reply 10):
Effective in May 2011 WN bought Airtran and since then has been serving ATL with a 100% wholey owned subsidary.

While true...before the announcement, you couldn't book Southwest Airlines to ATL. Nor could they allow a code sharing agreement to be placed on FL flights to ATL.

So for SWA Customers this is exciting news because it allows us to be able to book on southwest.com to ATL.

SOC has not occurred, so the wording of their article is quite correct, Southwest Airlines (themselves) will now finally be serving ATL via the respective cities they have mentioned.

Alex



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User currently offlinejayspilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5819 times:

To clarify my above post.... I think there is a simple reason WN has to take this approach instead of having the ability to code share over night like DL and NW did and like UA and CO are doing. My understanding is that their computer systems for reservationss were not designed to accept code sharing and outside imput. Same reason why WN isn't on any travel sites for bookings. Also, I just thought of this too but I don't think the pilot dispute has been resolved and the contract has a no domestic code share clause.

User currently offlinecubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22983 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5780 times:

Quoting jayspilot (Reply 12):
My understanding is that their computer systems for reservationss were not designed to accept code sharing and outside imput.

Did they codeshare with TZ by magic?



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7164 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5364 times:

Quoting cubsrule (Reply 13):
Quoting jayspilot (Reply 12):
My understanding is that their computer systems for reservationss were not designed to accept code sharing and outside imput.

Did they codeshare with TZ by magic?

Regardless, they are still unable to code share with FL even on the new ATL flights. ATA did not have Navitaire.


User currently offlineskyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4799 times:

Quoting jayspilot (Reply 12):
My understanding is that their computer systems for reservationss were not designed to accept code sharing and outside imput.

It looks as though going cheap on their automation system might cause real problems with the integration of the two companies. Maybe WN should go back to the days of having cash registers at all of the ticket counters. I remember the days in the 1980s when a WN "ticket" was a cash register receipt.

Why does WN arbitrarily capitalize words in the middle of sentences in all of their press releases? For example, the word "customer" or its plural form always has a capital C even when it's in the middle of a sentence. German language rules dictate that all nouns are capitalized, but English does not work that way. Are all the people in the WN PR department native German speakers?


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5638 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4718 times:

Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 15):
It looks as though going cheap on their automation system might cause real problems with the integration of the two companies. Maybe WN should go back to the days of having cash registers at all of the ticket counters.

Woah... chill out. WN's res system has worked for them just fine. Yes, it will most likely need updating in the not-so-distant future, but it's hardly "cash register" technology.

Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 15):
I remember the days in the 1980s when a WN "ticket" was a cash register receipt.

Have you seen JetBlue's boarding passes recently?

Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 15):

Why does WN arbitrarily capitalize words in the middle of sentences in all of their press releases? For example, the word "customer" or its plural form always has a capital C even when it's in the middle of a sentence. German language rules dictate that all nouns are capitalized, but English does not work that way. Are all the people in the WN PR department native German speakers?

It's a pretty basic marketing/PR gimmick. Nothing to do with German (which, for the record, does not capitalize all nouns).



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User currently offlineskyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
Woah... chill out. WN's res system has worked for them just fine.

It may have worked fine in the past, but it doesn't seem to be working so well now that they're in the midst of a major merger.

What system does FL have? Maybe WN should consider converting to that.


User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4006 times:

Have they posted a PDF yet?

Form what I can gather for the New England Airports:

PVD +1 TPA (3) total of 24 daily flights
BDL +1 BWI (8) +1 MDW (3) total of 19 daily flights
MHT +1 TPA (3) total of 19 daily flights
BOS -5 PHL (0) -1 BWI (8) for tha total of 18 daily flights.



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User currently offlinecubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22983 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
ATA did not have Navitaire.

I know, but it's wrong to assert that WN's IT system does not support any codesharing.



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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 927 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

AirTran uses Navitaire's NewSkies Reservations system. Southwest uses a version of the original Braniff's Cowboy system that has been modified over the years and now supported by Sabre (although this is not SabreSonic). WN plans to migrate to a new host system in the future and it is thought that Amadeus Altea and SabreSonic are the two front runners, but who knows?


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User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1535 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3514 times:
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Quoting atrude777 (Reply 6):

I am not disagreeing the failed statement, but WN is still big in PHL and still flying to a lot of destinations, more than a lot of spoke stations could hope to get. Would you expect HOU dropped before JAX, RSW, STL or any of the others?

In retrospect I wonder if SWA wished they had gone into Allentown instead of PHL----They pulled out of SFO and DEN before saying the delays were killing them and so this could be "way out" of Philadelphia.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5107 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 21):


In retrospect I wonder if SWA wished they had gone into Allentown instead of PHL----They pulled out of SFO and DEN before saying the delays were killing them and so this could be "way out" of Philadelphia.

WN wont dump PHL. But it's obvious it's not going to become a mini-BWI with loads of NE connections either. It's becoming a healthy spoke now, which with BWI down the road is what it should be.



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User currently offlineGizmoNC From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 17):
It may have worked fine in the past, but it doesn't seem to be working so well now that they're in the midst of a major merger.

What system does FL have? Maybe WN should consider converting to that.

WN Tech Services tried to use the FL system and it was a disaster. There has been rumor there is a addon which will allow international service.


User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 7):
JAX is being axed in January. HOU started out at 2 daily and is down to 1 flight. It will be interesting to see but before one could do BOS/PVD/MHT-PHL-HOU as a one stop. After January, it will have to survive on all O&D

I thought there were TX and other west connections from HOU side.

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):

That's a little bit shocking. B6 never even entered it.

Maybe they can enter it now. B6 has connections on the BOS side, e.g. PHL-BOS-SEA might work. B6 has red-eye returns from west coast to BOS, and with the return in the morning, it's the alternative to WN 9 hour day trip from west to east. Nonstop from US is preferred but when or if the fare is too high, people evaluate one stop options.

[Edited 2011-09-06 14:12:22]

25 cslusarc : Hey that sounds like a great idea! It may result in everybody paying a regular (more expensive) Anytime or Off-peak fare and would end the practice o
26 irish : Doesn't Airtran still use a receipt as "tickets".
27 enilria : Not really, the geography of BOS as a "hub" is poor.
28 F9Fan : It could be that WN is pulling back from one of the most delay-prone airports in the U.S. They also have EWR, BWI, and LGA within a two to three hour
29 FutureUScapt : WN is pulling back in PHL because many of their flights here performed absolutely horrendous. The list of formerly (or soon to be formerly) served de
30 usflyer msp : I concur. Without the feed from the cities north of PHL, the RDU flights will probably flounder and be cut by next fall. I do think the HOU and BNA f
31 John : Let's not forget, PVD gains a daily DEN roundtrip in January, thanks to the PHL pulldown.[Edited 2011-09-07 07:31:10]
32 rl757pvd : Well that was in the last change and that was actualy a swap for PHX
33 ScottB : The last reason you cited -- the no domestic code share clause -- is the most likely as to why we're not seeing the WN code on FL flights. Southwest
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