FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 61 Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3850 times:
AF is operating 2 x Daily flights on CDG-HKG-CDG :
AF184/183 - B772ER + AF188/185 - B77W.
For the winter 2011/12 schedule, AF184/183 will go down to 5 x Weekly.
HKG is certainly one of the potential destinations for AF380 but not a priority, considering AF wants to keep frequencies to compete with CX. An A380 + a B777 Daily or so would be too much capacity for AF ...
I think also that SIN will see an AF A380 before HKG.
Note that the QF/AF partnership has been extended also on routes Australia/France via HKG and ICN
Presumably, AF would code-share with KE on ICN-SYD as QF does not fly the route year-round? They usually only fly the route for 1-2 months over December-January.
dab920 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 107 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3043 times:
CX loses money on the CDG route. It is the only European destination they are not making money. Of course this is partly because they are flying the gas-guzzling 744s there whereas AF uses more efficient 777s. Not sure if AF makes or loses money on the HKG route but perhaps if it is not a high revenue flight then they might not want to put the 380 onto it.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2953 times:
Quoting dab920 (Reply 7): CX loses money on the CDG route. It is the only European destination they are not making money. Of course this is partly because they are flying the gas-guzzling 744s there whereas AF uses more efficient 777s. Not sure if AF makes or loses money on the HKG route but perhaps if it is not a high revenue flight then they might not want to put the 380 onto it.
Really? I thought HKG-CDG is a money maker for CX and thus they put a B 747-400 on it. HKG-LHR/AMS are also B 747-400 but they do make money
The A380 will be a good move to grab business from CX
CX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6341 posts, RR: 56 Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2889 times:
Not sure about AF but apparently CX does not make money on the CDG route
Quoting United Airline (Reply 8): Quoting dab920 (Reply 7):
CX loses money on the CDG route. It is the only European destination they are not making money. Of course this is partly because they are flying the gas-guzzling 744s there whereas AF uses more efficient 777s. Not sure if AF makes or loses money on the HKG route but perhaps if it is not a high revenue flight then they might not want to put the 380 onto it.
Really? I thought HKG-CDG is a money maker for CX and thus they put a B 747-400 on it. HKG-LHR/AMS are also B 747-400 but they do make money
The A380 will be a good move to grab business from CX
If CX had their way, the entire 744 fleet would be replaced in an instant however this is not logistically possible so things have to change slowly. In the meantime, we fly the 744 to destinations perhaps not suited to it because there is no alternative. You do what you can do to maintain market share until a more efficient plane comes along.
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 61 Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2795 times:
AF is not losing money on CDG-HKG but the destination is more "strategic" than really profitable even if the route is doing better since the 2nd frequency was introduced a few years ago ...
Ultimately, AF will operate a total fleet of 12 A380 only (or 14 if the last 2 options are confirmed) so unless additionnal A380 are orded, the A380 will be used in priority on the most profitable market / trunk routes (JFK, IAD, YUL, NRT, GRU/GIG, EZE, LAX, PEK, PVG ...)
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2556 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10): Ultimately, AF will operate a total fleet of 12 A380 only (or 14 if the last 2 options are confirmed) so unless additionnal A380 are orded, the A380 will be used in priority on the most profitable market / trunk routes (JFK, IAD, YUL, NRT, GRU/GIG, EZE, LAX, PEK, PVG ...)
I suppose HKG is an important market too. Just as important if not more important than PEK/PVG etc
Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 9): Not sure about AF but apparently CX does not make money on the CDG route
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2409 times:
Umm........
How many flights they fly from CDG to PEK/PVG each day? Thought HKG is equally as profitable as HKG is the no 1 business/financial hub in Asia and the third lasrgest on earth
bonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 398 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1582 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10): Ultimately, AF will operate a total fleet of 12 A380 only (or 14 if the last 2 options are confirmed) so unless additionnal A380 are orded, the A380 will be used in priority on the most profitable market / trunk routes (JFK, IAD, YUL, NRT, GRU/GIG, EZE, LAX, PEK, PVG ...)
I wonder when we will see it on CDG-LAX. What is AF's long term A380 fleet plan? I.e. when will they all be delivered?
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