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Are The Loadfactors Less On The Tragic 9/11 Day?  
User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3714 times:

Just wondering if people avoid to fly + or - these days... because my friend was planning to come from LAX this Sunday, he said he postponed it due to the extra security measures on that day and the fear of that sad day.
So just wondering, are the loads affected still, after 10 years of those days?
And i am aware that a warning has been issued to the travelers regarding the same.


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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

It used to be that load factors on SEP 11 were very low. You could nonrev anywhere in the US. But, I'd say as of 3 years ago or so, SEP 11 is now just another day (flight wise). Bookings here at WN at LAX are high for that day.

Quoting jayeshrulz (Thread starter):
Sunday, he said he postponed it due to the extra security measures on that day and the fear of that sad day.

I think that's a little extreme.



My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 1):
I think that's a little extreme.

I don't think it's extreme. If you don't absolutely have to fly why would you subject yourself to extra groping and harassment by the TSA, and inevitably longer lines?


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3522 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

I flew on 9/11 a couple years ago and I didn't notice any extra security measures.

Might be a little different this year with it being the 10th anniversary, but I don't think the TSA takes any extra precautions most years. Their security is already pretty draconian as it is.



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User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4199 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

I think there is some public apprehension about flying on that day - and yes there are the extra security measures to deal with, whether or not they cause any extra delays is not known yet. So I would guess that LFs are slightly lower than they normally would be for a Sunday the week after Labor Day.

Like everybody else, I really hope terrorists don't have anything special planned for that day. But of course we can all think of places that are far less "safe" than airplanes and airports.



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User currently offlineBlueBus From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

Really, it is just another day right? I could see feeling a little something going on the exact same flights at pretty much the exact same times.

User currently offlinenycdave From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2545 times:

It's definitely pretty much back to normal -- first few years after 9/11, you could fly on that day for dirt cheap. As it's my birthday, I used to take advantage of the opportunity for a nice cheap birthday-present vacation. Not anymore...

User currently offlineMDTrunner From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

From what I see out of MDT that day load factors are surprisingly high. Which is great.

User currently offlineF9Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 695 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

Supposedly, general aviation is now the preferred method amongst terrorists. Much less scrutiny, and it would be nearly impossible to secure it all. I remember in March of '02, a 15 year old kid stole a plane from PIE, buzzed MCF, then crashed the plane into a building (I think it was the Bank of America building) in downtown Tampa. Another guy last year crashed a plane into the IRS offices in Austin, Texas killing two. I could easily see a terrorist do a touch-and-go at BKL, then turn left into the federal building in downtown Cleveland before anyone knew something was funny.

User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5430 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 2):

I don't think it's extreme. If you don't absolutely have to fly why would you subject yourself to extra groping and harassment by the TSA, and inevitably longer lines?

Security on September 11 will be no different than security on December 11... well, maybe longer lines but that's the holiday rush for ya.

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 3):
Might be a little different this year with it being the 10th anniversary, but I don't think the TSA takes any extra precautions most years.

  

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 3):
Their security is already pretty draconian as it is.

No, their attitude is draconian. The actual security part is a complete sham. Did you hear about the actual explosives that went MISSING from right under their noses in PHX last week?

Quoting F9Fan (Reply 8):
Supposedly, general aviation is now the preferred method amongst terrorists.

A load of media overhype. DHS puts out a routine bulletin reminding everyone to stay vigilant, and CNN and FOX blow it into "OMG THE TERRORISTS ARE GONNA WREAK HAVOC WITH A CESSNA!!!1111oneoneone".

Quoting F9Fan (Reply 8):
I remember in March of '02, a 15 year old kid stole a plane from PIE, buzzed MCF, then crashed the plane into a building (I think it was the Bank of America building) in downtown Tampa.

A sad day, especially for this forum... but that wasn't so much "terrorism" as it was a kid with a mental illness.

Quoting F9Fan (Reply 8):
Another guy last year crashed a plane into the IRS offices in Austin, Texas killing two.

Again, not a "terrorist", per se, but another mentally ill individual out to exact revenge for him lying on his tax returns and getting caught.

Quoting F9Fan (Reply 8):
I could easily see a terrorist do a touch-and-go at BKL, then turn left into the federal building in downtown Cleveland before anyone knew something was funny.

If it were that easy, it would've been done already.


Trust me: the GA community is FAR safer than any airline when it comes to security. In fact, had the FBI not had it's head up it's ass back in 1999-2000 (when flight instructors reported EVERY SINGLE HIJACKER that took lessons) to them, 9/11 would NOT have happened.



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User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 1):
I think that's a little extreme.

He's was flying on that "date" for the first time  
Quoting airbazar (Reply 2):

I don't think it's extreme. If you don't absolutely have to fly why would you subject yourself to extra groping and harassment by the TSA, and inevitably longer lines?

Exact words that he said!

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 3):

Might be a little different this year with it being the 10th anniversary, but I don't think the TSA takes any extra precautions most years. Their security is already pretty draconian as it is.
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 9):

No, their attitude is draconian. The actual security part is a complete sham. Did you hear about the actual explosives that went MISSING from right under their noses in PHX last week?

I too read the same somewhere.
http://nomorewarplease.wordpress.com...g-terror-drill-at-phoenix-airport/

Quoting nycdave (Reply 6):
It's definitely pretty much back to normal -- first few years after 9/11, you could fly on that day for dirt cheap. As it's my birthday, I used to take advantage of the opportunity for a nice cheap birthday-present vacation. Not anymore...

Lol, but dint the thought prevail in your mind you flew everytime?

My friend aint a aviation geek at all. I guess he's more scared of the TSA rather than the thought of flying.

Quoting richierich (Reply 4):
I think there is some public apprehension about flying on that day - and yes there are the extra security measures to deal with, whether or not they cause any extra delays is not known yet. So I would guess that LFs are slightly lower than they normally would be for a Sunday the week after Labor Day.

Like everybody else, I really hope terrorists don't have anything special planned for that day. But of course we can all think of places that are far less "safe" than airplanes and airports.

Same my words. Ive seen many people who avoid flying on that day because of all that happened.
And i hope nothing similar happens.

But dont you think the TSA will be far more draconian that day? And is that news what i heard, that the security there is sham (said by Maverick623) true?



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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3522 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

Quoting F9Fan (Reply 8):
I could easily see a terrorist do a touch-and-go at BKL, then turn left into the federal building in downtown Cleveland before anyone knew something was funny.

Meh, so they'd get in the news for a couple of days. If that's what we've reduced terrorism to, I don't think that's such a bad deal for us.

Honestly, I think they realize that too - if we're laughing at their attempts, then they're obviously not terrorizing anybody. So there may be a few pathetic individual terrorists who would plan something like that thinking something is better than nothing, but I really don't think this is what the leadership (such as it is these days) has in mind. You don't go from a 9/11 type attack to nothing for ten years and then plunk a Cessna into a building in Cleveland as your next grand act. No offense to Cleveland, but seriously. That's not going to scare anybody. Probably not even Clevelanders, unless you're unlucky enough to be standing next to a window on that floor of that building at the time.

I don't think the next attack, if there really ends up being one, is going to have anything to do with aviation, honestly. I think they've tapped that out. They had actually tapped it out before the 9/11 attacks were even over, given what happened on flight 93. They'll never succeed with an airliner again and a GA plane is just not going to terrorize people.



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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

I had to fly MSP-PHX-MSP on 9/11/06 on company business a day trip. The flights were close to full. I don't think it matters anymore.


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User currently onlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3178 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

First year was very quiet.

Americans have short memories . . . go to your local mall this Sunday and you will see it is a normal day with people shopping, eating, going to the movies and having fun.

Flights will be at or near normal Load Factors.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 9):
Security on September 11 will be no different than security on December 11... well, maybe longer lines but that's the holiday rush for ya.

It doesn't matter what it will actually be. It's what it's perceived as thanks to the over reacting media. Every news station has been babling about increased security at airports for a week now. And if you happen to be of "brownish" skin or just a little more tanned than normal you can rest assured that some of your fellow passengers will be paying extra attention to every move you make  


User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

I purposely flew on September 11, 2002 and it was quiet, but these days I have to believe that, while some may chose not to fly on 9/11, revenue management systems have become even more sophisticated in the past ten years and will make sure the planes are full, regardless.

User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2639 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

I am also flying Sunday MCO-ATL-ACY and have no worries... I think the fact it is a Sunday will help LF's a little also..


To be honest (and not to sound like I have no heart), but the truth is, I would rather be flying Sunday instead of sitting at home watching EVERY news channel replay the events for the 10th Anniv.

However, I am missing some football!!!!  

[Edited 2011-09-07 06:19:30]


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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5576 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

There was an item on this on radio here a week ago, prompted by a journalist who was travelling to Canada and then out of Chicago next weekend. He noticed that prices dropped for travel on Sunday (11 Sept). A travel expert explained that the price of flying drops on several days a year: any Friday the 13th, Hallowe'en, 11 September and New Year's Eve. He said this wasn't a deliberate policy by the airlines, but down to complicated computer algorithms which automatically reduce fares when a dip in booking occurs.

User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 3):
I flew on 9/11 a couple years ago and I didn't notice any extra security measures.

Same here. I am also traveling this September 11th MCI-DFW-SAN. I have a project starting first thing September 12th morning...have to be there. Plus, I have no fears about security (general) or security lines.


User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1324 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1667 times:

I flew DFW-IAH-SFO on Sep 11 on the first anniversary (2002) and the planes were almost empty (in fact I was in the US all that week and all my domestic legs had low load factors that week). Conversely the transatlantic legs (from my records these were LHR-BOS and SFO-LHR on VS) were, I recall, pretty much full.


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