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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 16619 times:

Most shorthaul flights either have abolished free food, or give a meagre snack. On medium and long haul international flights we still expect and get a proper meal, albeit the ho hum airline food in Y, and this is irrespective of what time the flight is.

For example, I flew back from YYZ to LHR on AC on Sunday night, departing at 23:20. Thus, the earliest we would be fed would be at least midnight, except that because of bad turbulence, the crew weren't able to start serving until 1:30 to 2:00 am! A bizarre time to eat dinner, and translating to UK time of 7am this becomes no better. As I knew dinner would be served, I hadn't eaten dinner beforehand and was hungry by this point, but even if I had eaten and wanted to sleep, it's unlikely you would be able to sleep much with all the activity going on.

With such shortish redeye flights, surely it would make sense to abolish this late night dinner in Y, maybe offer a late night drink to those who want one and serve a better breakfast?


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User currently offlineplanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 16509 times:

Working for an airline where meals have to be paid for on short haul, I can tell you that there is a much smaller uptake of onboard meals on later flights than there is for morning or day flights. When you bear in mind if their outbound is departing late, their inbound will be a night flight, they are making a choice in that the meals at that time of day/night are inappropriate.

In your example, which good "service" to offer the included meal, you are right in that it is timed late and effects the whole cabin.


User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4005 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 16509 times:

I was on a 2345 long-haul departure in Eco from BKK on Thai recently and their menu offered a light alternative to the dinner (some cold meat, IIRC). My observation was that a lot of pax skipped dinner and declined the food or accepted it, but hardly touched it. My feeling was that much more waste was produced than during other times of the day.

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8410 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 16452 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Thread starter):
With such shortish redeye flights, surely it would make sense to abolish this late night dinner in Y, maybe offer a late night drink to those who want one and serve a better breakfast?

Whether food is served or not i never plan to eat onboard when I have an evening departure. It's just not worth the hassle or the bad food quality. I alway eat dinner before getting on the plane or grab something to-go on the way to the gate. I just don't expect airlines to offer a decent meal anymore or have to wait until some horrible time to be served a meal.


User currently offlinekulatict From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 16213 times:

well, for most asian airlines like CX and SQ going westbound from US, most of them depart around mid-night if not later. we don't get served until 2/3 am... same thing with my recent flight flight from SIN - DME - IAH, the departure is 245am and we didnt get food for another hour after took off.... most eateries at the airport are closed before mid-night, if you are still awake at that time, you will be hungry

flying more than 10 hours, it is expected to be fed full meal at least twice: once after take off, once before landing, and optional snack in between...

if you opt for skipping it, as far as i remember, SQ offered a do not disturb sticker...and they performed the meal duties ratehr quietly (at least on my flights)...if you are able to sleep in an airplane with the engine noise and whatnot, a meal service activity shouldn't bother you much


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9661 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16009 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Thread starter):
For example, I flew back from YYZ to LHR on AC on Sunday night, departing at 23:20. Thus, the earliest we would be fed would be at least midnight, except that because of bad turbulence, the crew weren't able to start serving until 1:30 to 2:00 am! A bizarre time to eat dinner, and translating to UK time of 7am this becomes no better. As I knew dinner would be served, I hadn't eaten dinner beforehand and was hungry by this point, but even if I had eaten and wanted to sleep, it's unlikely you would be able to sleep much with all the activity going on.

With such shortish redeye flights, surely it would make sense to abolish this late night dinner in Y, maybe offer a late night drink to those who want one and serve a better breakfast?

One thing not to forget is that some passengers might be on a different time zone at the beginning of the flight. If someone was connecting from YVR, YYC, YEG, SEA, SFO, LAX, etc, then it would be closer to meal time (and meals aren't served just prior to arrival) and they might have had a long enough layover to eat in the airport.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 15953 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Thread starter):
For example, I flew back from YYZ to LHR on AC on Sunday night, departing at 23:20

Just out of curiosity ... what did they serve for dinner and breakfast? I've taken AC out of YYZ to FRA with a 22:30 departure a couple times over the last couple of years and found that they serve a light dinner such as a sandwich and potato salad and then a full, warm breakfast before arrival as opposed to having a full, warm dinner and a smaller, cold breakfast on flights with earlier departures. I've always found the light dinner/full breakfast an ideal medium for late departure Trans-Atlantic flights.



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2193 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 15853 times:

I think it largely depends on the stage length.

I flew AC YYZ-SCL a few years ago, and I remember we had a departure time post-midnight on this flight (delayed due to mechanical issues). Interestingly, two hours into the flight, they served a full meal which the entire cabin was awake for. Two hours prior to landing, we received another hot breakfast. Again, however, this flight was over 10 hours in length. AC has an awesome online spreadsheet/matrix where you can find out ahead of time what services you can expect on their intercontinental flights - it is on their home page.

I think that in general, the best plan of action is to inquire ahead about meal service (call or ask at the gate) and even still, try and get a nosh-up before you fly. Chances are you'll be hungry again by the time food is served, esp with delays, or the meal is bad.

Or, as in most cases when I fly stingy Lufthansa, where they serve you a Kids-size meal in Y, I follow the bring-your-own method and pack a snack pack as a supplement.



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User currently offlinemalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 15698 times:

I always complete all the vittles I receive on all my flights   no exceptions, westbound Asia at midnight, westbound Asia at midday etc. the other way around too. Now I am taking an unusual flight soon, late night westbound USA but arrive Asia at late night..... that seems a bit messed up based on sleep. I sleep well on every plane as long as I get the best vittles in the world (Airline food) no matter what time of the day.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25440 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15604 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
One thing not to forget is that some passengers might be on a different time zone at the beginning of the flight. If someone was connecting from YVR, YYC, YEG, SEA, SFO, LAX, etc, then it would be closer to meal time (and meals aren't served just prior to arrival) and they might have had a long enough layover to eat in the airport.

Also have to keep in mind local customs. For example, in Spain most people don't have dinner until 10 or 11PM. And even in most other countries in Europe, if you walk into a restaurant at 7 PM it will probably be almost empty.


User currently offlinepacifique75 From Portugal, joined Oct 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15544 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Thread starter):
With such shortish redeye flights, surely it would make sense to abolish this late night dinner in Y, maybe offer a late night drink to those who want one and serve a better breakfast?

I really think the catering offered on those longhaul night flights is just "impossible" to please everyone and I am sure it is a challenge for the airline catering planning dept. If airlines only offered a drink/refreshment after takeoff, I can imagine people complaining they were expecting something more substantial, others saying they had no dinner before the flight, etc.
To serve a hot breakfast, you have to start that 2nd service earlier and I have lost count of the amount of times pax complain about the cabin lights and meal service starting too early in the morning - it feels the airline cant win!


User currently onlinedesertjets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15395 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
If someone was connecting from YVR, YYC, YEG, SEA, SFO, LAX, etc, then it would be closer to meal time (and meals aren't served just prior to arrival) and they might have had a long enough layover to eat in the airport.

That was not something I was thinking of after reading the OP. But with a tight connection after a longer flight from earlier in the day I could easily see plenty of passengers being hungry and wanting something more than a teeny tiny turkey sandwich.

Quoting malaysia (Reply 8):
I always complete all the vittles I receive on all my flights

A member of the clean plate club I see.  
Quoting pacifique75 (Reply 10):
I really think the catering offered on those longhaul night flights is just "impossible" to please everyone and I am sure it is a challenge for the airline catering planning dept. If airlines only offered a drink/refreshment after takeoff, I can imagine people complaining they were expecting something more substantial, others saying they had no dinner before the flight, etc.
To serve a hot breakfast, you have to start that 2nd service earlier and I have lost count of the amount of times pax complain about the cabin lights and meal service starting too early in the morning - it feels the airline cant win!

Sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't type affair. I can see this being a problem on shorter flights as well. A couple of years back I flew the late EWR-DUB flight on CO..... it left Newark @ 9pm and got into Dublin around 10am local time. I can't quite remember how long it was but somewhere around 6-7 hours. I can say that the cabin crew was pretty efficient with the meal and drink service and I didn't feel like somebody was up and about the entire flight, but because the flight is so short and leaves so late those who want to be able to get some sleep would have a problem if they were trying to do a more elaborate meal service. Frankly the hot meal they provided was kinda meh... a good quality cold sandwich with a salad and/or fruit plate would have been a better choice. Though I also like the idea of a lighter dinner/snack and a fuller breakfast option.Though that might make more sense for longer flights.



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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15396 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 6):
Quoting AirbusA6 (Thread starter):For example, I flew back from YYZ to LHR on AC on Sunday night, departing at 23:20
Just out of curiosity ... what did they serve for dinner and breakfast? I've taken AC out of YYZ to FRA with a 22:30 departure a couple times over the last couple of years and found that they serve a light dinner such as a sandwich and potato salad and then a full, warm breakfast before arrival as opposed to having a full, warm dinner and a smaller, cold breakfast on flights with earlier departures. I've always found the light dinner/full breakfast an ideal medium for late departure Trans-Atlantic flights.

The meal was a hot meal (chicken or pasta) whereas the breakfast was a muffin, so the other way round!

I actually connected from Denver, so my stomach was 2 hours behind local time, and had a large lunch at DEN in anticipation of a late dinner, but I imagine the majority of passengers were point to point. I had an hour before the onward flight, so long enough to eat if I had wanted too. Indeed the fast food restaurants in that part of the terminal were all busy, and all the flights were similar red eye flights to Europe.

True long haul flights (12+ hours) are different, as on these flights you have plenty of time to sleep, where many transatlantic flights are barely 7 hours, so the meal times take up a lot of potential sleep time. Especially, when the first officer keeps making announcements apologising for the lack of meal service due to turbulence  



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User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 618 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15335 times:

CO offers free hot food meal in the back on flights from EWR to POS and the flight departs at midnight and gets in a 5am. I haven't flow that route in coach but in International Business they also offer three hot full meals with menus and we don't start eating till like 1am. It is nice thou.

Here is what we had to eat it was really good too!

http://youtu.be/x4aY080ADi8

A video of dinner service on a Continental Airlines International Business (First Class)
Flight. This was EWR-POS (Newark- Port of Spain,Trinidad). This was a five course meal and we had menus too. I had the Sterling Silver Fillet of Beef Tenderloin. This has to be one of the most amazing steaks I have ever eaten. I was shocked at how good it was. This whole flight and service was top notch.

This is what was served

To BEGIN
Roasted nuts with your preferred cocktail or beverage

APPETIZER
Smoked salmon and orange peppered salmon accompanied by creamy horseradish sauce

SALAD AND WARM BREAD
Romaine lettuce and mesclun salad mix with cherry tomato and Mandarin orange segments
Offered with buttermilk ranch dressing

Assorted rolls with butter

MAIN COURSES
Sterling Silver Fillet of Beef Tenderloin
Served with green peppercorn sauce, tricolor bell pepper strips and sautéed onion, asparagus spears and home-style mashed potatoes

Shrimp Margharita
Char-grilled jumbo shrimp accented by lemon, served with quesadillas repochetas, fresh baby Spanish sautéed with garlic and tomato filled with jalapeno mayonnaise

Mini Cannelloni Pasta Bowl
Artichoke and ricotta cheese filled mini cannelloni served with creamy arugula sauce, mixed sautéed vegetables and grated Parmesan Reggiano cheese

DESSERT
Cherry custard cake

Fresh Brew gourmet roasted regular and decaffeinated coffee made exclusively for Continental Airlines or tear with your choice of milk or lemon



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8410 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15320 times:

Quoting desertjets (Reply 11):
Sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't type affair.

Exactly, which is why I take meals into my own hands when traveling. Eat before or on the way to the airport and this way I know I'll have a full tummy   And if I'm connecting there's alway a place to grab a quick ready-made sandwich and a piece of fruit.
It always amazes me the amount of people who eat dinner on short TATL red-eyes. It's a 6 hour flight. Factor in take-off and landing and you're down to just 4+ hours of sleep. Personally, the first thing I do is to get comfy, put in my blindfold and settle in for as much sleep as I can get. Then upon landing I make a beeline for the first cafe for a proper hot, fresh breakfast.


User currently offlinekevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15147 times:

Quoting pacifique75 (Reply 10):

Exactly


User currently offlinebonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 14925 times:

When I flew DXB-JFK a few years ago, we were scheduled to leave close to midnight DXB time, and ended up leaving at least an hour late because they were holding the plane for connecting pax whose flights were delayed by wx. This was a 12 hour flight at least, and despite the time, the crew served a full meal about 1.5 hours into the flight. On flights like this, there is plenty of time for full meal service (dinner and breakfast) with enough time to sleep in the middle as well.

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14717 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 14):
Exactly, which is why I take meals into my own hands when traveling. Eat before or on the way to the airport and this way I know I'll have a full tummy And if I'm connecting there's alway a place to grab a quick ready-made sandwich and a piece of fruit.

I wish I had that experience, especially when flying in and out of the USA. Too often my 2 hour connection at a hub turns into a race to board the second aircraft before it closes. I usually estimate that I will only be guaranteed time to pick up food if I allot 3 hours or more for the connection.

I find it surprising that feedback on this forum about airline meals is so negative, and I suspect that it is a cultural thing about what meals passengers like, especially in North America and western Europe.

Qantas, Air New Zealand and Singapore Airlines tend on long-haul flights (and even 1 hour dinnertime sectors on QF) to offer at least one main course of curried Indian / Thai / Malay chicken with rice (e.g. Butter Chicken on QF and NZ). These are dishes that their clients would be highly likely to choose to order in a restaurant, and are well suited to being reheated on an airplane.

And the feedback I hear from friends and colleagues after their flights on those carriers usually is complimentary about the catering, and specifies that "I would fly them again".

Obviously this does not translate well to American palates.


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14695 times:
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Quoting AirbusA6 (Thread starter):
With such shortish redeye flights, surely it would make sense to abolish this late night dinner in Y, maybe offer a late night drink to those who want one and serve a better breakfast?

I agree with this idea. Leaving the US/Canada at 9pm or after it would be a better experience to allow pax to sleep then serve a hot breakfast before landing at anytime from 7-10am local European time.


User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13625 times:

A normal dinner in business or first can take about 2 hours from the warm mixed nuts to stowing tray table. On certain late flights though in the premium cabins they will just present everything at once (usually a smaller overall meal, would be hard to fit it all on the tray table)

As with everyone, they are free to decline the service, or if they have a midnight departure, eat at 9pm somewhere.


User currently offlineba747 From Venezuela, joined Sep 2005, 107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13197 times:

Back in the 90's, the late departure flight, BA 248 from CCS/LHR that left at 12 midnight local time, meal was only a light dinner so passengers can spent most of the flight sleeping. Besides, that flight was already coming from BOG and most of the paxs on board were already fed on that sector, and when I used to get on board ( I was crew ) most passengers were already sleeping. Before arriving at LON full breakfast was given.


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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8410 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12583 times:

Quoting ordjoe (Reply 19):
As with everyone, they are free to decline the service, or if they have a midnight departure, eat at 9pm somewhere.

That reminds me one flight on SQ, in First class. I refused the meal because I just wanted to go right to sleep. I had already eaten dinner before boarding as I almost always do. When I woke up, the purser was all appologetic thinking that I might have been offended or unhappy about something. LOL.

[Edited 2011-09-06 19:45:58]

User currently offlineauroralives From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12073 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 18):
Leaving the US/Canada at 9pm or after it would be a better experience to allow pax to sleep then serve a hot breakfast before landing at anytime from 7-10am local European time.

As others have mentioned... I'm squarely in the "let me sleep in the morning" camp. I'm never a good sleeper (either in J or Y), and struggle for every minute on the way to Europe. I *really* hate the lights, clanging and rattling of a breakfast service with 1.5 hours to go... i.e. I've *finally* achieved some sort of coma... *Please* just let me rest  

Quoting pacifique75 (Reply 10):
- it feels the airline cant win!

  


User currently offlineNTLDaz From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11997 times:

Last year flew AR from EZE to AKL and the flight departs at 2.45am. They serve a full dinner around 3.30-4am Argentinian time. They then serve breakfast about 10-11 hours later which would be lunchtime in Argentina but is actually breakfast time in AKL. That timing is a bit messy.

User currently offlinefbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3711 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11948 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Thread starter):
With such shortish redeye flights, surely it would make sense to abolish this late night dinner in Y, maybe offer a late night drink to those who want one and serve a better breakfast?

That's what BA do, albeit in business class. At YYZ and a number of US East Coast airports they have a dining room with a buffet set-up in the lounge before the later overnight flights. Then onboard there's a very abbreviated service mainly to cater to those who couldn't get to the lounge. BA call it 'Sleeper Service' and I think it's excellent. Might have even written a few trip reports on it...

In all other cabins they still do a full meal service. In First there is a table service pre-flight dining too but IME most people sleep through it. Might have even written a few trip reports on that too...



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25 spacecadet : Not everyone is like that though... on my long-haul flights, by the time they turn the lights back up and start the morning meal service, I'm practic
26 Post contains images malaysia : I guess from the way it seems on the long haul, I have noticed in first/business class and economy, the first meal often regardless of time of departu
27 aklrno : NZ trans-Pacific flights usually leave in the late evening westbound, a bit earlier eastbound. They are 11-12 hours long, enough for two meals and a g
28 Carfield : Late night international flights are always tricky and airlines have come up with various strategies in the late night meals. But in general, if the f
29 MEA-707 : Many people on board these flights probably came from a connecting flight, maybe they departed Seattle or LAX at 9 am and didn't have much proper foo
30 AirbusA6 : Thinking about it, part of the problem is that meals service is now governed by the type of flight, rather than the timing of the flight. Thus, my fir
31 aircanada014 : when I was on AC from YVR to HKG my flight left at 2:05am last fall in late Oct. We had dinner, then snack consist of soup and sandwich with roll then
32 airbazar : I think the "purpose" of the trip also plays an important role. In Y most passengers are "leisure" passengers who only do this once or twice a year,
33 aswissinmad : When I flew as a longhaul F/A on a full service airline a few years ago we always had complaints about the serving times on night flights. South Ameri
34 peh : I recently flew between LAX and JFK, taking off around 0700, and desperately needing a glass of bourbon. When I explained to the AA attendant that th
35 IADLHR : In addition, to the above scenarios, a few years ago, I was on LH IAD-FRA. As soon as we took off we hit some turbulence and the FAs had to remain sea
36 YULWinterSkies : Yep, I've had this on YUL-CDG (AC) on the second night flight whenever it was operating (been going on and off for a while). It did confuse many pax,
37 AirGabon : On SU night flights from Europe to SVO with A320s, leaving around 11:00pm/01:00am and arriving in Moscow between 04:00am and 6:30am, they serve you a
38 spacecadet : The Japanese expect hot meal service too. And yet as you later say, they're still labeled "cheap" on this route. One problem could be that I would be
39 LXA340 : But who wants to have breakfast that early...it makes then already more sense the way they serve it
40 Post contains images blrsea : You also need to look from the connecting passengers point of view. When I travel BLR-CDG-SEA for e.g., the flight leaves BLR at around 2:00am. I woul
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