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FL's OO Ops Ends-WN Starts MKE-DEN/STL, FL-DSM/CAK  
User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5931 times:

Hey All--

Today is the day that Skywest Airlines operations out of MKE doing business for Air Tran has ended due to the Southwest Pilot Contract not allowing RJ flying or Code Sharing ops at this time. Southwest Airlines took over and will be operating MKE-STL, and adding MKE-DEN, while Air Tran has converted MKE-DSM/CAK to mainline operations.

Does any new flights or cities open up on the UA/DL side on Skywest due to the relocation of the CRJ-200's now? What is going on with those folks?

Anyone here affected by the change today or got rebooked or rescheduled?

Alex

[Edited 2011-09-06 13:47:03]


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User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5837 times:

How are the DSM-MKE loads? Are they as piss poor as expected? I've always said DSM needs MDW, PHX, and LAS flights on WN, maybe an STL flight...

User currently offlineseven3seven From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 318 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5572 times:

We've got better scope than a dentist's office!

Anyone in the pilot world knows what that means



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6043 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5494 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
Does any new flights or cities open up on the UA/DL side on Skywest due to the relocation of the CRJ-200's now? What is going on with those folks?

They'll be spares until US flying opens up.

Quoting seven3seven (Reply 2):
We've got better scope than a dentist's office!

Anyone in the pilot world knows what that means

Pilots need to find better dentists?

[Edited 2011-09-06 15:18:37]


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User currently onlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1541 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5208 times:

Quoting evanbu (Reply 1):
How are the DSM-MKE loads? Are they as piss poor as expected?

It could very well end up as the worst performing FL route ever given how bad it looks so far. Under no circumstances do I see MKE-DSM lasting past the time WN and FL start codesharing.



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User currently offlinesplitterz From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5118 times:

Yup, I was the station supervisor in the Omaha station. Spent the entire day tearing apart the station. Quite the sad day.
 


User currently offlinesplitterz From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

Quoting evanbu (Reply 1):
How are the DSM-MKE loads? Are they as piss poor as expected? I've always said DSM needs MDW, PHX, and LAS flights on WN, maybe an STL flight...


Absolutely horrendous. Nothing I saw was over 30 per flight for at least two months. This service won't last. If OO couldn't fill 100 seats a day, why would WN/FL think they could fill 238???


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7191 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

Quoting splitterz (Reply 6):
Absolutely horrendous. Nothing I saw was over 30 per flight for at least two months. This service won't last. If OO couldn't fill 100 seats a day, why would WN/FL think they could fill 238???

They just did it because WN is very concerned with advance bookings and not leaving people high and dry. I'm surprised it is still in their March schedule.


User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 888 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
They just did it because WN is very concerned with advance bookings and not leaving people high and dry. I'm surprised it is still in their March schedule.

I also heard FL signed an agreement with the airport authority in Des Moines to keep the DSM station open for a minimum amount of time..maybe 2 years?? They're keeping this flight to uphold their end of the contract. Maybe if they shifted the flight from MKE to ATL it would be more successful.


User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
Does any new flights or cities open up on the UA/DL side on Skywest due to the relocation of the CRJ-200's now? What is going on with those folks?

I believe these frames will be be used for OO's PHX operation on behalf of US.



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User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2912 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

Quoting evanbu (Reply 1):
How are the DSM-MKE loads?
Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
Quoting splitterz (Reply 6):
Absolutely horrendous. Nothing I saw was over 30 per flight for at least two months. This service won't last. If OO couldn't fill 100 seats a day, why would WN/FL think they could fill 238???

They just did it because WN is very concerned with advance bookings and not leaving people high and dry. I'm surprised it is still in their March schedule.

I think it's still intact in the March schedule because it has nothing to do with Southwest being highly concerned about protecting advance bookings.

(1) They did not hesitate to disrupt passengers booked at Omaha, a busier FL* station than Des Moines. AirTran doesn't serve OMA any anyone booked for travel after 9/6 got a refund. (From what I've heard they did not automatically get rebooked to WN.)

(2) There was no need to add CAK-MKE to protect passengers already booked. AirTran still serves Akron, and people already booked on tickets like CAK-MKE-LAS could have been rebooked CAK-ATL-LAS. Yet they added CAK-MKE along with DSM-MKE, and Akron doesn't have a whole lot better chance of supporting 717 to Milwaukee than Des Moines does.

(3) The end of FL* was announced in mid-May. If now...100+ days later...there are only 20-30 pax booked on the 717, how many people were alredy booked on these flights way back in mid May?

(4) The booking window has been pushed out several times, now through the 9th of April, and MKE-DSM/CAK are still there. Since the end of FL* was announced, nearly five months of booking window has been opened up.

I believe that DSM-MKE and CAK-MKE will swtich to DSM-MDW and CAK-MDW as soon as they reasonaly can, not some alturistic effort to avoid displacing the few people who had already booked 100+ days out.


User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1911 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Quoting splitterz (Reply 5):
Yup, I was the station supervisor in the Omaha station. Spent the entire day tearing apart the station. Quite the sad day.

Sorry for the loss of your job. We'll take good care of gate A1 for you.


User currently offlinesplitterz From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 11):
Quoting splitterz (Reply 5):
Yup, I was the station supervisor in the Omaha station. Spent the entire day tearing apart the station. Quite the sad day.

Sorry for the loss of your job. We'll take good care of gate A1 for you.

As well as A2?


User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2912 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3737 times:

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 11):
Sorry for the loss of your job.

+1. Able to get a different position that works for you with OO?


User currently offlinesplitterz From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 13):
Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 11):
Sorry for the loss of your job.

+1. Able to get a different position that works for you with OO?

No, I had to switch to UA, so back to the bottom of seniority!


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