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Colgan Air Lands At UXL By Mistake  
User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15962 times:

Didn't see this one posted. Apparently Colgan Air flight 3222 (Continental Connection), from IAH-LCH on Wednesday night, landed at UXL (Southland Field), by mistake. In an even more bizzare twist, an Continental Express plane back in 1996 did exactly the same thing on the exact same flight.

http://www.sulphurdailynews.com/feat...Carlyss-by-mistake-Wednesday-night

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User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1845 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15910 times:

Colgan pilots aren't doing themselves any favors in the public eye...

User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21521 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 15621 times:

And this is why we back up visual approaches with localizers....

-Mir



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15280 times:

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 1):
Colgan pilots aren't doing themselves any favors in the public eye

No kidding!

However, Houston Center has a long range RADAR which should provide coverage almost to the ground at KLCH, so it begs the question if the pilot cancelled IFR before landing with Houston Center (LCH Approach would normally be closed at 2200 CDT) or were they still on an IFR clearance?



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User currently offlineARFFdude From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 151 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15002 times:

Wow, pretty embarassing mistake! I remember a time when I was at a mid sized regional airport and a Skyhawk landed and pulled off onto a taxiway, sat there for a few minutes, and the pilot told the tower something the effect of, "Uh, we're gonna need to taxi back to 34, I guess the passenger says we're at the wrong airport."

User currently offlineNetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14899 times:

Very hard to explain that during an interview with a major airline and/or corporate flight department. I bet these two poor guys are obssesibly thinking about that.

User currently offlinewingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14765 times:

Apparantly these 2 pilots wanted to be at the front end all the upcoming training we are doing! A nicely worded incompetancy letter on file and some recurrent sim time on navigation and they will be back on the line sharper than ever.

Wingnut



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14369 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 3):


However, Houston Center has a long range RADAR which should provide coverage almost to the ground at KLCH, so it begs the question if the pilot cancelled IFR before landing with Houston Center (LCH Approach would normally be closed at 2200 CDT) or were they still on an IFR clearance?

What I am hearing is that Houston cleared them for a visual approach and handed them off to tower who cleared them to land, and I think this was before 2200. UXL is only 9 miles away from LCH and has a runway oriented in exactly the same direction. Normally UXL would be PCL and the lights weren't even turned on, but because there was work being done on the runway lights at UXL, the crews had it turned up to the highest intensity, and when the Colgan crew saw those lights, they automatically assumed that it was LCH.


User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3888 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14283 times:

I'm not defending this crews actions, by any means, because obviously landing at the wrong airport is not such a great idea. But let's not throw these guys under the bus because they're COLGAN pilots. After all, this isn't the first time this has happened. Let's see, I seem to recall ExpressJet doing the same thing multiple times, Northwest in RAP and in a DC10 somewhere in Europe, DL landing on a taxiway for crying out loud and the list can go on and on. The point is that they made a huge mistake, not that they were Colgan pilots.

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7459 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14060 times:

I believe that in 1968(?), that a PanAm B707 bound for LHR, landed at Northolt instead.

His brakes were a bit of a mess!!!.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7824 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14041 times:

Betcha these guys are pretty pro-union now, probably the only way they're gonna keep their job!


Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14017 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 7):
What I am hearing is that Houston cleared them for a visual approach and handed them off to tower who cleared them to land, and I think this was before 2200.



Interesting, but I won't speculate that's for sure.

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 8):
But let's not throw these guys under the bus because they're COLGAN pilots.



I don't think anyone has run them over with a bus....only how the public eye perceives things most of the time.



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User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3888 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13904 times:

IAH - I'm just referring to reply #1 in this thread. It's not important what airline they fly for, but there's a lot of pot coloring the kettle black over at ExpressJet right now.

DLMD90 - Colgan pilots have been ALPA for a few years now.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1023 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13249 times:

Some time in the late '80s a DL flight landed in Frankfort, KY, instead of LEX.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13211 times:

Shuttle America landed a Saab at Phillipsburg/Mid-State instead of University Park / SCE in PA.

User currently offlinejmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3253 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12019 times:

A few year back, a NW A319 landed at Ellsworth AFB instead of RAP.


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User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 800 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11549 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
And this is why we back up visual approaches with localizers....

First thing I thought of also.



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User currently onlineLazialeMKD From French Polynesia, joined Oct 2009, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11475 times:

For sure I don't know how the real flying is working, but from my flying on flight simulatoe 2004, once I will hear the beeping of the ILS localizer, than I'll switch the autopilot to approach and the plane will start lining up with the runway to land automatically according to the frequency I have for the ils localizer.

Is the landing in the real life very different from this one?
How is possible to miss wholie airport?


User currently offlineRadicalDudeJOM From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11087 times:

Obviously this was a visual approach. Checking the ILS would have told them they were not where they should have been.

Working for Colgan doesn't make these pilots look worse, but another incident with the pilots does make Colgan look worse.

I've always dreamed of seeing a 747 or 777 mistakenly land at Half Moon Bay instead of SFO. That would be a site to see. Not holding out much hope of it happening  



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User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 672 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11087 times:

Quoting LazialeMKD (Reply 18):

Is the landing in the real life very different from this one?
How is possible to miss wholie airport?

Perhaps they were flying a visual approach. The weather wasn't that bad the other night and according to some on this forum it seems more common for pilots to fly visual when they can to keep up their "real flying" skills.

That, and on the Beech 1900d at ZK, I know a lot of them never touch the autoland because some of the airports they serve are not equipped with ILS, so why not do all landings visually?

I've had some fun ZK landings to say the least.


User currently offlinepvd757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10941 times:

I've heard tales of an EA 727 landing at OQU instead of PVD back in the 80s.

User currently offlinevw From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9975 times:

What is also odd besides backing up the visual approach with a localizer is runway lighting. Lake Charles pilot controlled after tower closes is on tower frequency of 120.7.....Southland is 122.8.. I guess the runway lights must have been on at Southland......or did they land this time without runway lights instead of takeoff ie. Comair Lexington,KY

User currently offlinefutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9007 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
And this is why we back up visual approaches with localizers....

Have you seen some of the airports 9L flies the Saab into? It isn't uncommon of for them to have only one instrument approach, and sometimes those are out or unusable. If there is an available navaid then it is supposed to be used but if not, what choice is there outside of not flying?

Quoting vw (Reply 24):
I guess the runway lights must have been on at Southland......or did they land this time without runway lights instead of takeoff ie. Comair Lexington,KY

I read somewhere the lights were on due to maintenance work.

[Edited 2011-09-09 16:46:58]

[Edited 2011-09-09 16:50:58]


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User currently offlinefutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8942 times:

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 20):
Perhaps they were flying a visual approach. The weather wasn't that bad the other night and according to some on this forum it seems more common for pilots to fly visual when they can to keep up their "real flying" skills.

I believe that is exactly what they were doing. Most pilots will accept a visual approach to save time and reduce the workload rather than keep up "real flying" skills. I see plenty of guys fly visual approaches with the autopilot.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 20):
That, and on the Beech 1900d at ZK, I know a lot of them never touch the autoland because some of the airports they serve are not equipped with ILS, so why not do all landings visually?

To my knowledge the B1900s at Lakes don't have autopilots...therefore no autoland  

[Edited 2011-09-09 16:50:13]


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User currently offlineYXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8941 times:

Was there not an FR 737 that was mean to land at LDY and ended up at the air force base about 2km away. Something to do with similar airport look and both runways be named the same? I could be wrong with the details but I believe this happened about 3 or 4 years ago.

25 antidote : When I was growing up in Toronto, BOAC put a Comet 4 into YZD (Downsview) instead of YYZ. The longest runway then was almost directly in line with the
26 Mir : No doubt. But in this case, LCH does have an ILS, and I haven't heard anything about it being out of service. -Mir
27 Navigator : In our country this has happened: - Linjeflyg Fokker F28 mistakenly landed at Emmaboda Airport instead of Ronneby. - SAS DC-9 landed at Linkoping inst
28 atct : Im lost on this post. When I am cleared for a visual the almost first thing I do is click off the autopilot and handfly it? How is that not keeping u
29 Navigator : I have seen it a few times in heavy jets like 747:s on jumpseat. Long after cleared visual approach they still use autothrust, heading select, vertic
30 futureualpilot : I was saying that I recall reading that the crew of the flight that landed at the wrong airport flew a visual approach when the incident occurred. I
31 MD88Captain : I cannot throw stones at these guys because it happens. And it could happen to me. There are all kinds of "set ups" in aviation. With the right circum
32 rfields5421 : Even at night landing on Rwy 15 at LCH should be significantly different visually from landing on Rwy 15 at UXL. Crossing over the lake But if winds
33 Post contains links WeAreUnited : United DC-8 that landed at Troutdale instead of PDX. Best article I could find is linked below. http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/...ry.php?story_id
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