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Got To Talk To A CO 737 Captain All Weekend!  
User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17530 times:

This was one of the best weekend's ever. My neighbor got engaged so her father who is currently a CO 737 Captain was in town. My neighbor knows about my love of planes and aviation so she introduced me to him and we just talked and talked. I got to ask so many questions....and I actually got the right answer  

One of the cool stories he told me was in regards to taking off from SNA. The normal flow was to runway 19, but because of the load to EWR, he had to request Runway 1. He mentioned that the plane was at its absolute max for that runway.

So he starts the takeoff roll and realizes he is only at about 100 knots midway down the runway. He noticed the end was coming up very quickly and there was no stopping at that point so he gunned it to TOGA thrust (over 100%) and the main gear cleared juuuust shy of the runway end lights. It was a pretty neat story to hear from the ole captain.


Christopher W Slovacek
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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17537 times:

Did he mention anything about a 737 base opening up at LAX sometime soon?


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User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17540 times:

P.S. Since we are now friends and facebook friends, I can ask him questions anytime I need to, which I'm pretty happy about.


Christopher W Slovacek
User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17514 times:

Tommy767,

Actually he DID. He didn't give a specific time frame for it, but did say it should be happening relatively soon. That conversation was brought up because we were talking about the Cleveland Crews currently flying the Hawaii Rotations from the LA area. He mentioned that should change over to the LA base once it's up and running.



Christopher W Slovacek
User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17488 times:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 3):

Cool! Thanks for the info. Sounds like you had a great time. Also: any insight as to other UA hubs getting a 737 base sometime soon?



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineflyhossd From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 838 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17377 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 1):
Did he mention anything about a 737 base opening up at LAX sometime soon?

A small pilot base for CO opened in May 2011. It has been growing slowly and there are about 60 crews there now.



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User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17326 times:

Thanks for the update. The pilot I spoke with tries to stay out of the big cities (LAX, ORD, EWR, etc) as much as possible. He told me he loves going south of the border  


Christopher W Slovacek
User currently offlineacidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17274 times:
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It is good to have a pilot to talk to both to learn about their perspective of the industry and to learn about what is happening in the rest of the company. Somehow these guys seem to have a lot of dirt on what is going on. When I worked for CO we had a 757/767 FO who commuted to work and regularly flew through MSP. When he stopped into ops somehow 13 or 14 other guys would show up and listen to everything he had to say. It was as if an executive showed up but even better. We learned a lot and got a good feeling of what was going on in other cities and throughout the rest of the company. Sadly if our own manager called a meeting it didn't get that kind of turnout  


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User currently offline777ord From United States of America, joined May 2010, 489 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 15280 times:

Great story. Glad to see you got some insight into the industry, and, thank you for sharing it!

Keep us posted!


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14360 times:
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I remember getting this excited talking to airline pilots. When I was in highschool at the peak of my enthusiasm for aviation, our neighbor's dad and sister flew for United and his sister's husband flew for Alaska. I remember picking their brains for hours, probably to the point of annoyance.

Then I got a job at an airline where I see and talk to pilots all day every day. I've become desensitized to it.  



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13351 times:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Thread starter):
So he starts the takeoff roll and realizes he is only at about 100 knots midway down the runway. He noticed the end was coming up very quickly and there was no stopping at that point so he gunned it to TOGA thrust (over 100%) and the main gear cleared juuuust shy of the runway end lights. It was a pretty neat story to hear from the ole captain.


Not that I dislike hangar-flying stories, but it sounds to me like someone completely ignored his takeoff performance data...



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User currently offlineAirCalSNA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12873 times:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Thread starter):
This was one of the best weekend's ever. My neighbor got engaged so her father who is currently a CO 737 Captain was in town. My neighbor knows about my love of planes and aviation so she introduced me to him and we just talked and talked. I got to ask so many questions....and I actually got the right answer  

One of the cool stories he told me was in regards to taking off from SNA. The normal flow was to runway 19, but because of the load to EWR, he had to request Runway 1. He mentioned that the plane was at its absolute max for that runway.

So he starts the takeoff roll and realizes he is only at about 100 knots midway down the runway. He noticed the end was coming up very quickly and there was no stopping at that point so he gunned it to TOGA thrust (over 100%) and the main gear cleared juuuust shy of the runway end lights. It was a pretty neat story to hear from the ole captain.


Interesting story. So I guess he asked for 1L in order to avoid the climb-out power restrictions due to the Newport Beach NIMBYs?


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12871 times:

OP think twice before posting stuff here without his permission, specially in a public forum. I have planty of hangar stories I've shared with people yet I wouldn't feel comfortable sharing on a forum.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 10):

Not that I dislike hangar-flying stories, but it sounds to me like someone completely ignored his takeoff performance data...

Too bad I don't work with CO anymore but I'm sure the captain must have gotten a call from the FOQA department where I once worked, if it really was as bad as OP made it sound (which I doubt).


User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3388 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12094 times:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Thread starter):
This was one of the best weekend's ever.

Wow! A real life pilot, no way!

Quoting DFWHeavy (Thread starter):
It was a pretty neat story to hear from the ole captain.

Either this story was made up or some real big mistakes were made with performance and/or weight.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4357 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11746 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 10):


Not that I dislike hangar-flying stories, but it sounds to me like someone completely ignored his takeoff performance data...
Quoting Flight152 (Reply 13):

Either this story was made up or some real big mistakes were made with performance and/or weight.

Have to agree, if he was trying to impress that's a strange way to do it and if he screwed up / didn't check his performance
i'm surprised he would talk about it. White knuckle experiences are what we strive to avoid !



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11589 times:
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Quoting Flight152 (Reply 13):
Either this story was made up or some real big mistakes were made with performance and/or weight.

I think "embellish" is the word we are looking for here.



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User currently offlineandyinpit From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11419 times:

Way to crap on the poor guy's dreams. What pilot/person has never embellished a story once or twice? ESPECIALLY people in the aviation industry. Come on and stop nitpicking every little thing that's said.

Man o' man! You should have seen that fish I caught! It had to have been 6 inches! I mean 8, 12. Yeah that's it! It was dern near a foot long!


User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4190 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11009 times:

If he needed 1 for performance, he was probably a full power anyways... Firewall power is only a % or 2 more.

Oh well...



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User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5306 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10983 times:

Sounds to me like a well-told fish story to impress an impressionable audience.

100 knots would be well below V1 for a 73G or 738 in just about any scenario...


User currently offlineaircanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10917 times:

Thats pretty awesome, I used to ask my Dad so many questions too because he was a pilot for Air Canada as a first officer B767-300ER then he retired as a Captain for B767-300ER a/c. Its so awesome to talk to pilots when you have the chance.

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4357 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10863 times:

Not cr*pping on any ones dreams, it's important that DFWH knows that if his story was true this Pilot made a major miscalculation and endangered everyone on board.



This is not the way we operate at CAL, cutting things that close is fine in the movies but not in real life.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10797 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 18):
100 knots would be well below V1 for a 73G or 738 in just about any scenario...

And most turboprops, too.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4410 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10112 times:

Quoting andyinpit (Reply 16):
Way to crap on the poor guy's dreams. What pilot/person has never embellished a story once or twice? ESPECIALLY people in the aviation industry. Come on and stop nitpicking every little thing that's said.

Man o' man! You should have seen that fish I caught! It had to have been 6 inches! I mean 8, 12. Yeah that's it! It was dern near a foot long!

Well stated!


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2065 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9631 times:

Quoting andyinpit (Reply 16):
What pilot/person has never embellished a story once or twice?

Pilots never embellish anything...  


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9550 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 22):
Quoting andyinpit (Reply 16):
Way to crap on the poor guy's dreams. What pilot/person has never embellished a story once or twice? ESPECIALLY people in the aviation industry. Come on and stop nitpicking every little thing that's said.

Man o' man! You should have seen that fish I caught! It had to have been 6 inches! I mean 8, 12. Yeah that's it! It was dern near a foot long!

Well stated!

It's one thing to embellish what you did flying alone in a Cessna (and boy, I've heard some doozies, not that they weren't entertaining to listen to.) It's quite another to embellish that you ran out of runway with 150 people behind you, all the while it's your job to make sure such a thing couldn't happen in the first place.

"Yep, I ALMOST made it off that runway!"



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25 Post contains images IAHFLYR : I will totally agree with MaxQ on this. My best friend for over 27 years is a Captain and Check Airmen for the same operator. Over the years he has c
26 Post contains images fxramper : I play golf with my uncle as often as I get back to Texas and the last thing he wants to discuss on the tee box is his airline or commercial aviation
27 Post contains images jetblast : Agreed with this. I may not fly the airplane but I work around them - and generally work is one of the last things I would want to talk about in my f
28 Post contains images fxramper : I know at least 100 active commercial pilots, well enough to get a Christmas card from, and they are usually the last people I get information from a
29 Post contains images Silver1SWA : lol You do know what website this is, right? He's asking for it with a story like that!
30 suseJ772 : I generally find this is true about all industries. It is also why when ever I meet a celebrity, professional athlete, etc... the LAST thing I ever t
31 wjcandee : On the other hand, not everybody in the industry is a jaded old fart who doesn't want to talk about work. Sounds like this proud father of the bride t
32 Post contains images qantasguy : I was on a flight not too long ago and the poor Captain assigned to sit next to me................ Nah, he was so gracious and professional, just like
33 Max Q : Actually, most of us are still very enthusiastic about our Profession (myself included) and are happy to talk about it. If not you will soon know !
34 XFSUgimpLB41X : Seconded! I still can't believe I get paid to do what I absolutely love. About the only thing that makes me grunt is a middle seat on a deadhead, hah
35 Post contains images MauriceB : Lol funny to see some people being so excited to talk to pilots! I remember the days when u somehow thought they were superb and untouchable (when i w
36 Post contains images HAWK21M : Good for you. Did he tell you about the similiar knobs on the start switch & the Windshield wipers OR the Stab trim manual handles striking the kn
37 ual777 : I don't know about the 737, but on the EMB-145, it is substantially more than 2%. Its more like 10-14% depending on the conditions and selected T/O m
38 DFWHeavy : He didn't ignore anything. I asked him about that.. The pilot mentioned that it could have been a number of factors(they were slightly heavier than wh
39 tdscanuck : If the weight, wind, and temperature all changed and they didn't redo the performance calculation (especially on a short field like SNA)...how is tha
40 DFWHeavy : Weights don't change, but you never know a plane's exact weight considering people and bags are not truly weighed. It's very possible that the plane w
41 catiii : Believe it or not, most pilots don't...
42 Goldenshield : You're on a forum, on the internet. You're old enough to know by now that you're going to get skeptics regardless of what may or may not be the truth
43 LIFFY1A : Most pilots don't come close to making mistakes, they all make mistakes, we're human. But when the wind, weight and temperature change and you're abo
44 CODC10 : It's physics. Unless someone committed an error or a failure occurred, these things don't just happen serendipitously. Regardless, SNA departures (esp
45 DFWHeavy : I'm tired of arguing with people on here about this. I tried to share a good story that happened a couple years back and it's been met with criticism
46 jetblast : Every pilot makes mistakes, although I am certain that the majority of them are not as serious as this one. I certainly hope that there was a bit of
47 RWA380 : DFWHeavy, congrats on your weekend If I had the chance you did, I would have done what you did, chat aviation as much as possible. Heck, I just got ou
48 seven3seven : AND another a.netter's dreams are shattered.
49 RWA380 : There are so many of you negative people trying to discredit this guy, if you spent half as much time saying, "good for you" or doing anything else po
50 TOMMY767 : CO could probably avoid this issue altogether if they decided to fly 757s on EWR-SNA-EWR instead!
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