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New Zealand Aviation Thread #102  
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20854 times:

Welcome to New Zealand Aviation Thread #102. In Thread #101 we discussed:

  • Rugby World Cup Flights
  • JQ handling of an on board death
  • NZ short haul services
  • Seat to Suit fare structure
  • NZ 777-200ER upgrades
  • Airpoints programme
  • New bilateral agreement possibilities
  • CHC wins award


294 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinejasewgtn From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 20791 times:

I was surprised to see my flights from AKL/NOU next week up Friday 23Sep/back Tuesday 27Sep are being operated by a 763 in each direction instead of the A320 (Plus the AKL/NOU is operating a day later than the normal A320 service)

Anyone know why the upgauge of a/c? (not that i'm complaining at all - love the 767!)


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 20769 times:

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 1):
I was surprised to see my flights from AKL/NOU next week up Friday 23Sep/back Tuesday 27Sep are being operated by a 763 in each direction instead of the A320 (Plus the AKL/NOU is operating a day later than the normal A320 service)

Maybe a special event in NOU, or something to do with the Rugby?


User currently offlineNASCARNUT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 276 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 20669 times:

Another exotic visitor just arrived at AKL direct from Phuket
VP-BRT Boeing BBJ
Should look nice in daylight. A most unusual paint job in the silver


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 20626 times:

Over 80% of "French" visitors to the World Cup are actually New Caledonians.

The population of Noumea is largely split between Polynesians (Tahitian and Wallis Samoan) and Europeans, and the Europeans are half descendants of prisoners and half internal migrants from the south of France.

The last of those groups is the French demographic which likes rugby (ie southern) plus they are often highly nationalistic. I'm using a euphemism, obviously, to describe people whose racial views would have fitted in nicely in the old South Africa.

Hence 767 services during the World Cup.


User currently offlineNASCARNUT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 276 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 20595 times:

[quote=jasewgtn,reply=1]I was surprised to see my flights from AKL/NOU next week up Friday 23Sep/back Tuesday 27Sep are being operated by a 763 in each direction instead of the A320 (Plus the AKL/NOU is operating a day later than the normal A320 service)

Anyone know why the upgauge of a/c? (not that i'm complaining at all - love the 767!)


All Blacks play France at Eden Park on the 24th hence the upgrade for the French fans in Noumea


User currently offlineUnclekoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 20383 times:

I've been told that seats to suit is being introduced on PER flights in the near future. Maybe Koruman's predictions for the future of NZ won't be too far off the mark.


It sounds like english, but I can't understand a word you're saying
User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 857 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 20360 times:

Folorn hope, but.....

By my calculations I'm going to be about 70 status points short of retaining my Gold status this year. Is there any "flexibility" in situations where you're close to the mark, or does the comupter simply give you the middle-finger, spit out the Silver card (or the dreaded Jade) and leave you standing crying at the entrance to the Koru Club?


User currently offlinejasewgtn From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 20343 times:

Quoting gasman (Reply 8):
"flexibility"

You could try requesting it from the airnzfairy on twitter? Seen upgrades and ff status points gifted from them......


User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 857 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 20340 times:

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 9):
You could try requesting it from the airnzfairy on twitter?

Tried but all the "airnzfaries" are currently busy serving drinks over the tasman  


User currently offlinejasewgtn From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 20331 times:

Definition of gutted.....

The above flights I was talking about to Noumea are now on grab-a-seat for $330 less than what I paid  


User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 857 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 20251 times:

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 11):
Definition of gutted.....

Sure is. In this situation I would use points to upgrade to J....... then you won't end up feeling quite as ripped-off.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 20122 times:

Any details of this HLZ emergency landing today?

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-sto...rrying-49-makes-emergency-landing/


User currently offlineNASCARNUT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 276 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 20082 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 13):
Any details of this HLZ emergency landing today?

An ATR operating ROT-CHC under-carriage would not retract so pilot chose to divert to HLZ


User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 857 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 19952 times:

Another somewhat revealing 744/77W interior comparison..

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-N...d=3109076901e12f833b24f913b419b71c

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-N...d=3109076901e12f833b24f913b419b71c


User currently offlinejoelyboy911 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 19900 times:

Quoting gasman (Reply 14):

Moderately interesting. But, I think we've been through this 10-abreast 77W thing more than enough. Let's not fill #102 with it. Nobody's opinions of it are changing.

In good faith,
Joel



Flown: NZ, NY, SJ, QF, UA, AC, EI, BE, TP, AF
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19670 times:

Quoting gasman (Reply 14):
Another somewhat revealing 744/77W interior comparison..

The last few rows with 2-4-2 are a lot nicer on the 77W.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7107 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 19466 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 4):
Over 80% of "French" visitors to the World Cup are actually New Caledonians.

Where is the proof to back up this statement?


User currently offlineNZ6 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2010, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 19315 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 4):
Over 80% of "French" visitors to the World Cup are actually New Caledonians
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 17):
Where is the proof to back up this statement?

Although yes this is the reason for that flight, I just wonder if there is another made up figure by Koruman?

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 6):
I've been told that seats to suit is being introduced on PER flights in the near future. Maybe Koruman's predictions for the future of NZ won't be too far off the mark.

Long haul is under review, no decisions have been made although all options are being explored.

Quoting gasman (Reply 7):
By my calculations I'm going to be about 70 status points short of retaining my Gold status this year. Is there any "flexibility" in situations where you're close to the mark, or does the comupter simply give you the middle-finger, spit out the Silver card (or the dreaded Jade) and leave you standing crying at the entrance to the Koru Club?

Give Air NZ a call.


Not sure if anyone brought this up in thread 101 but NZ's new website is out on the Pacific Island site. The rest will be upgraded over the next few weeks

http://www.pacificislands.airnewzealand.com/


User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 19309 times:

I see that JQ has flown over a million passengers into WLG since operations began.

http://www.jetstar.com/mediacentre/l...4052-b257-cad8faba0596&language=en

The break down of the fares is interesting- over 3/4's paying under $100. JQ reported ancilliary revenues of $24 per pax in the QF annual report. The $100 fare will be missing the ancilliary revenue from baggage fees, in-flight sales etc. These would be higher if they decided to swap the in-flight paint stripper for real wine...



What goes around comes around....unless your luggage is not on the carousel...
User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 276 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19196 times:

2 Alliance Airlines Fokker 100 due into AKL today, Saturday 17th @ 1400 and 1430 from BNE carrying fans for the Australia-Ireland test tonight. Scheduled to depart again just after 0100 Sunday morning

User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19135 times:

Quoting NZ6 (Reply 18):
Not sure if anyone brought this up in thread 101 but NZ's new website is out on the Pacific Island site. The rest will be upgraded over the next few weeks

Interestingly the New Zealand site is still the old look. It doesn't matter whether NZ update the appearance of their website or not, what they really need to work on is to upgrade the very outdated booking engine to include features such as viewing seat availability before payment, choice to upgrade to next booking class, and a clear indication of how many Airpoint Dollars will the flight earn.


User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19127 times:

If people are interested in changes to international visitor arrivals, particularly over the Rugby World Cup, they are available at:

http://www.tourismresearch.govt.nz/D...Weekly-In-and-Outbound-Statistics/

The arrival card has been updated with a question asking if visitors have arrived for the RWC. This information will be available on a monthly basis on the following dates:

21 September, for the month of August
21 October, for month of September
22 November, for month of October



What goes around comes around....unless your luggage is not on the carousel...
User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19094 times:

Looks to me like for the first weekend of the World Cup all international arrivals are up from 36,000 in 2009 and 2010 to 37,500 in 2011.

User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 276 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19063 times:

Quite a prking lot down at the eastern end of the airport

2 Fokker 100 from Alliance Airlines VH-FWH/VH-FWI
1 737-100QC from Airwork ZK-NQC
1 BAE 146-200 from Vincent Aviation ZK-ECO
2 Convairs from AirFreight NZ
1 Convair from Chatham Island Airlines
1 Metroliner for the Air Ambulance Service
1 Falcon 50 VH-FOL
1 Cessna 421C ZK-MFT
1 Piper PA-31-350 ZK-KVW

Also parked out of view is
VP-BRT 737 BBJ


25 MillwallSean : That question was availible from mid July at least. Shouldnt we have Julys arrival stats for the RWC ready by now? I have already filled in yes three
26 NZ6 : You can't, for short haul anyway. What you buy and your FQTV status changes the options No they have not launched this new site with their biggest si
27 cchan : The point is, if there is no way to check seat availability before ticket purchase, there is less incentive to pay more for The Works, in case all pr
28 Kaiarahi : Why not? Lots of other airlines (e.g. AC) have managed to do it for years. Or PE on long haul. If I could see seat availability, I could decide wheth
29 NZ6 : And I guess this is why these forums are frustrating, there are solid reasons why NZ can't do this. Yes some people would like to see their seats bef
30 cchan : Then they should revert the seat request function to first come first serve basis for all passengers, and not make it part of the incentive to buy a
31 TravellerPlus : I found your rationale for giving a false answer interesting. I don't know how often you fly to NZ, but most Kiwi border officials take pride in thei
32 NZ6 : That does not work either, there is already to much mixing in the cabin with all the different products. The passengers experience, strain on crew et
33 gasman : I agree. I have just been a case in point. I booked two 'works deluxe' seats for myself and my wife, only to find that when it came to seat selection
34 NZ2 : The old website (possibly back in the 90's - cant quite recall) used to have the seat availability option, you had to go through the booking process
35 cchan : Don't think it work that way. Passengers with different seat to suit products are seated together. On my last trip to RAR in July, the people next to
36 MillwallSean : I fly in and out of Auckland airport ever second week. It tend to start with a man with a raised voice policing the queues. An man, usually half yell
37 NZ6 : Backwards in not allowing seating prior to payment? Yes maybe but the website is significantly better now than back then, even without GrabASeat. In
38 BlackLabel : It feels like most of the places I travel to have this both in the security forms and separate immigration and customs/biosecurity queues. Off hand -
39 gasman : No, USA only has entry forms, and when exiting, "customs" procedures are dealt with at check in. That's two less beauracratic processes than New Zeal
40 BlackLabel : There absolutely is a US exit form: you fill it in as part of the arrival form, but it remains with your passport until you depart - where it is, as
41 gasman : Well, I guess the point is that it's filled out as part of the arrival form. And more than once I've travelled home with that little green card still
42 BlackLabel : The green form is long since gone (replaced with the ESTA process). The I-94 process is white, and for visa holders. Losing/not surrendering that whi
43 NZ2 : Gee, even to be sent to X-ray must mean you are a little bit suspect, I cant recall last time I did not walk straight out, maybe a year or so ago....
44 cchan : Then NZ will be losing Seat and Seat+Bag customers to DJ and JQ in the longer term. No one would want to pay to go on an airline when fellow passenge
45 Post contains links aerokiwi : Don't forget online checkin for domestic, which has totally disappeared. Perplexing. If you find it frustrating talking about it here, imagine how we
46 gemuser : There is NO arrival & departure forms in the USA for visa waiver & ESTA travelers. At least there was not in July/August last year, has it ch
47 BlackLabel : You're checked in at time of booking. If you're using ePass (and mPass, maybe) then you just turn up at the gate, no need to check-in at all. If you
48 mariner : I'm not sure what you mean. How does any passenger know what another passenger's attitude is? And fly economy on Virgin Australia and their transferr
49 gasman : So we're all finally agreed that the US has less form-filling than NZ, no separate "customs" on departure and a rarely-encountered biosecurity proces
50 BlackLabel : If you travel under ESTA, there is one form less to fill in -- but this is entirely offset by the ESTA process. The majority of global citizens also
51 cchan : There is no way to know unless the guy next to you is rude enough to tell you. The information from the post I quoted is probably made up by the post
52 BlackLabel : The sentence makes more sense when read as "passengers DON'T like receiving a meal when the pax next to them does not". That would align with what ha
53 aerokiwi : Checked in at time of booking? Really? Our corporate travel agent sends us the e-ticket with instruction to check in 30 mins beforehand. And our work
54 BlackLabel : I can't find the original release/page to cite now, but yes: when they removed online checkin, it was because they moved to a model of "checked in wh
55 Mr AirNZ : You are not checked in automatically when you book but if you have no bags you can simply swipe your E-Ticket/M Pass as you board and it will spit ou
56 BlackLabel : Yep, I agree. I thought I had read that (and FT wisdom seems to say) you are 'checked in' for the flight, but as you say there's no real difference.
57 Kaiarahi : You keep on saying this, but never give any reasons. Why exactly can't NZ do what many other airlines have managed to do for years?
58 TravellerPlus : I don't work for any border control agency, but my comments are based on my experiences of flying through Wellington as a more frequent international
59 aerokiwi : This I did not know. I just checked with our corporate travel agents - they didn't know either, which is mildly concerning. Ugh! the time that could'
60 Post contains links dlnz : Here is the next installment of the DL/VA alliance - Just through on email from the Delta newsroom: News Release Issued: September 18, 2011 8:00 PM ED
61 alangirvan : My memory was that a few years ago, when you had made payment, the system sent the confirmation, and invited you to print boarding pass and select se
62 nascarnut : Air NZ will only page the passenger if they have checked in bags. If there is no bags and passenger has not boarded they aircraft they will automatic
63 NZ2 : Agree! 10 days ago was running late for NPE flight and hoped to use the kiosk down at regional departures but it had disappeared. I just checked in a
64 aerorobnz : Was in SYD yesterday when I came through from LAX What travel beaurocracy?? I used the immigaration kiosk in 1647 out 1648, then went straight throug
65 gasman : I already explained it. - get rid of the departure card - consider assimilating departure customs procedures with check-in, like the US - allow famil
66 aerorobnz : It will be removed soon.... so I am led to believe...
67 Post contains links jasewgtn : I see AirNZ have switched Perth to the same as Eastern Australia/Pacific Islands with the seats to suit option. They are doing a sale today to introdu
68 cchan : Next ones would be PPT and HNL?
69 gasman : One aspect of seats to suit that I actually quite like is the ability to 'buy out' the adjacent seat. Nothing ruins your Y class flight more than 150k
70 timb777 : How is this done? Do you just mean works deluxe, or are you saying that someone on a 'seat only' fare can block out their neighbouring seat? If so, I
71 gasman : Yes - and really, I think this is what you're paying for with works deluxe. The rest is just fluff. Certainly the "meal" isn't worth more than $1.95.
72 timb777 : Absolutely. All my recent Tasman flights ex CHC have had low enough loads to give the Space+ pax the middle seat free anyway, so the fare premium wou
73 NZ1 : Seats to Suit on AKL - PER is a trial only at this stage, to guage whether to roll out to other routes. NZ1
74 avrich : Airline reservation systems are unbelievably complex. Its great that some other systems can do this, but Carina cannot right now. Please rest assured
75 Post contains links and images mariner : Southwest Airlines, one of the most successful and consistently profitable airlines in the US, has a reservations system that presently cannot handle
76 Kaiarahi : Wow - I'm bolloxed! Why don't they just buy it from a * partner? AC's system cost around $55M. Amongst other things, it allows you to see: different
77 aerorobnz : The figure is unlikely anything like that. 100million would easily have developed the system, and having spent that much they would have opted to go
78 avrich : I have to admit I still scratch my head and wonder about that figure, although it was given to me by somebody involved with the project. Regardless,
79 aerorobnz : Very reliable compared to the other airline systems I also work with
80 jasewgtn : Looks like air nz has rolled their new website for NZ residents now too.....
81 A330NZ : I saw that. A lot more modern. I'm liking it. However... This happened a while ago, but I don't think I brought it up... I dislike the new route map.
82 Zkpilot : Not to mention the UK... big disney style queue then it splits up into little queues just before the desks. SIN just has individual lines so if you c
83 cchan : Are the changes just cosmetic? Don't seem to find any new functions on the new website.
84 aklrno : I think the AKL queue system is the correct one. The disney style queue works fine if everyone eventually goes through the exact same choke point, or
85 Post contains links gasman : Check this out. This is what Y class travel was like in the 1980's; http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6939048&nseq=0 Compared to this circa 20
86 kiwiandrew : If you can find a way to supply fuel to the airlines at 1970's prices you might be in with a chance.
87 aerorobnz : my sickness is worse. I dream of the interior spec from the age of constellations, stratocruisers and comets...
88 Post contains images mariner : Nnnyyyyyahhhh - I flew on those, and Argonauts and Hermes and a few more, and I'll take the modern aircraft. mariner
89 gemuser : The longest big prop I have done is SYD-Norfolk Is and I agree with Mariner. I can't imagine that noise & vibration all the way to SFO! Gemuser
90 aerorobnz : with modern aircraft, but with their luxury...... Having just done 15h on a 77W...I'm wondering... the 77W down the back seems pretty flubbery..
91 Kaiarahi : ??? Sounds like Grandma.
92 Post contains images mariner : Compared with today's aircraft, they weren't particularly luxurious, although - for their time - they were considered so. When I first flew (solo) ou
93 gasman : We've all heard the cliche about how if you drop a frog into boiling water, it will jump out - whereas if you slowly heat it from cold it will stay th
94 aerorobnz : It was simpler classical comfort though, I'd be happy with a return to no seatback IFE if it meant that i could have similar legroom, and meal servic
95 mariner : But we didn't have those then and the food, as I said, was nothing to write home about. I didn't mention the pressurization, or lack of it, and desce
96 777ER : Anyone know why NZ8 (AKL-SFO) is delayed tonight?
97 767er : don't forget in 1979 NZ increased the rows from 8 to 9 so that picture is the cramped version. Great shot though...
98 joelyboy911 : I strongly disagree here: Prices have been dropping constantly, and if not in actual dollar terms, definitely in real terms. There are more routes an
99 aerorobnz : Aircraft issue. needed to wait for another aircraft, if I recall correctly. NZ287 delayed till tomorrow like 0730 NZ289 was last night due to engine
100 zkncj : I saw them painting over ZK-NBW rego today, does this mean she will be parted out in NZ
101 zkojh : the PVG flight running nearly 3 hrs late as well 2nite, weather here in china is fine just a bit warm , tech issue?
102 777ER : Engineering issue which couldn't be fixed on the spot according to the pilot. ZK-NBV operated the flight, according to the fax print out I received i
103 aerorobnz : That is correct. Due to the fact that the original aircraft was not useable. They swapped the aircraft to operate off the back of NZ57 which was the
104 NZ1 : NBW is flying to TVV in a few weeks to be converted into a freighter. NZ1
105 ZKEOJ : Hey Guys I read in a B748i thread that people are happy to have that bird if not for the sole reason that 4-holers become quite rare(ish). I immediate
106 NZ107 : Yes, over Christmas. You can count cargo planes.. At least SQ 744F.
107 ZK-NBT : KE are using 744s until March 2012 started in July, a second flight will run with a 772 in December January. CX bring the 744 in seasonally aswell. A
108 aerorobnz : Not really scheduled but CI have also been dropping 343s sporadically amongst the 333s. AR have flown 343s on AR1182/1183 on occasion as well. AKL wi
109 Post contains links 777ER : JQ announce daily WLG-ZQN from December 22nd - http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/new-ze...tstar-moves-in-on-Queenstown-route
110 nascarnut : Who will be the potential 787 operators into AKL NZ UA/CO confirmed AKL-IAH LA SCL-AKL ?? JQ AKL/SIN, AKL/LAX (replacing QF) ?? FJ AKL/NAN replacing
111 kiwiandrew : I thought that FJ had cancelled their 787s?
112 kiwiandrew : Great, another once daily route for them to screw people around on with last minute schedule changes/cancellations. It might be a good idea for them
113 nascarnut : I think you are correct. FJ may have to look at other options as they are parking their 767-300 soon leaving just 2 747-400's to operate NAN/LAX/SYD/
114 alangirvan : It does seem to be a lot of seats to add to this route - is it a strong route outside weekend? Also, looking at other reports - JQ will be adding a t
115 aerorobnz : I'm not suggested all of them, I'm putting it to you, that while the 787 is not really the game changer Boeing think it is for most of the world, for
116 cchan : Quite likely to become A350 in the future And for 777 as well Considering that ET is going to become a Star member, they may codeshare with NZ instea
117 Unclekoru : Funny route, almost disappears in the shoulder season and then gets a mix of ATR and 733 in Winter. I guess Jetstars pricing may grow the market furt
118 motorhussy : With the Virgina Australia relationship with NZ getting ever tighter, what do people think about the service offering of NZ's narrow body TT-fleet par
119 alangirvan : Perhaps AirNZ will sub a 737 on some days. From the news article, is seems that Wellington Tourism think that overseas visitors will combine Wellingt
120 motorhussy : I don't know, I find this to be quite a languid and relaxing flight. Plus the view at that altitude is superb.
121 Unclekoru : 733 subs already occur, especially during winter peaks periods. Occasionally sees two ATR flights as well. Would have assumed that the WLG-ZQN market
122 darenw : Article in October issue of Australian Aviation magazine Bookings for the Skycouch are running well ahead of the standard economy seating and the airl
123 zkncj : S2S Network Wide!
124 NZ107 : Make it 3-3-3 and then every block of seats can become a skycouch!
125 aerorobnz : have thought of that as well. Would certainly be popular for many of us here. I think it'll be inflight internet/wifi available onboard - given that
126 ZKEOJ : Thanks for all the 4-holer discussion. Looks like summer is the time to go out and get some B744 photos taken - might be the last summer seeing them h
127 kiwiandrew : The double daily serves a useful purpose since the two flights allow connections to quite different sets of destinations. The daylight flight arrivin
128 joelyboy911 : From what I read today, it sounds as though Wellington expects people to be transiting or stopping over at WLG, which is nice (and they bring up the i
129 ZKEOJ : I totally agree, Andrew. But I seem to remember that SQ made an announcement already that the A380 will go on the AKL route. Not sure if they planned
130 xiaotung : I hope you are not serious.
131 NZ107 : Though having an A380 and a 3 or so weekly 772 sounds like an overcapacity, especially since Jetstar has only just recently entered this market.
132 timb777 : ... add to that the EK A345...
133 Post contains images ZKEOJ : oops! Yup, had that further up with the EK A380, but missed it in the "gone list"...Thanks Cheers micha
134 darenw : The article did say that perhaps the airline was looking at having the 4 middle seats as a Skycouch, as it be good for "taller people" also it would
135 Post contains links mariner : If this was posted and I missed it, I'll ask for deletion - Air NZ increases its stake in Virgin Australia: http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/air-n...es-
136 aerorobnz : yeah maybe, I think it's more likely just that they don't want to retrofit as most of the fleet will be gone within a few years. I'm sure they are ju
137 BlackLabel : I wondered about that at the time. How can that be correct when NZ*E passengers are often allocated Skycouch seats because they're unsold? How can yo
138 Post contains images kiwiandrew : Jetstar entered with daily services then dropped to 6x and I believe are in the process of reducing to 4x weekly, I am not sure how seriously they sh
139 gasman : There's nothing in your post I really disagree with, although only an economist in tandem with an airline accountant could truly tell us if we're get
140 Zkpilot : Well done NZ for getting in there and snapping up more of VA. 20% is a good size shareholding to have... 1 in 5 votes on the board in theory. If NZ in
141 gasman : Hell yes...... SYD yesterday was a veritable ocean of red tails..... and they weren't QF.
142 gemuser : Not to be too pedantic, but it is important to note that it is 19.9% NOT 20%! Why? Because if it was 20% NZ would be in gross breach of Australian se
143 alangirvan : Long term - I wonder what SQ will use in the NZ market. They have 787s, A350s on order. The SQ 77Ws have a lot of Business Class seats - if SQ has no
144 aerorobnz : It's not so much size that's the issue I think, it's that it can still be more profitably used elsewhere boosting capacity on already burgeoning mark
145 timb777 : Surely SQ won't put send the new regional J seats into AKL. Although they get away with it on the refitted 77E's that CHC gets (and sometimes the lat
146 zkncj : I am, my source has indicated that AKL-PER-AKL is the trail run to test the market
147 aerokiwi : And not starting until DEcember 22nd, I think. Yeah, grab some Xmas/New Year pax but beyond that it's going to be a struggle until winter. Indeed it
148 alangirvan : I know Air Asia uses A333s to CHC, so they do apparently have the range, but I would want to double check that A333s could do AKL-SIN year round with
149 NZ107 : Any idea what QF's A333 was doing in AKL today? I see they're scheduled for extra flights to take Warriors fans to SYD but the next Aussie game in the
150 aerorobnz : Extra RWC flight capacity no doubt, although they have been regular substitutes through AKL operating the SYD-AKL-SYD QF114/QF25 to the 332 LAX-AKL-L
151 NZ107 : Right, thanks for that. A shame no 744 has headed over the ditch yet apart from those flights inbound from EZE. Maybe later in the tournament..
152 Post contains images ZKEOJ : Are there more to come? And do you know what days? Would be nice to go out and see some AR 744s.... Cheers micha
153 Post contains images NZ107 : No AR 744s have come yet... And I guess I highly doubt one would come unless they made it to the final or something.. They were QF 744s from EZE but
154 aerorobnz : AR only has 3 744s. They are only ever used on daily madrid services. I'm sure I saw some somewhere on the world cup program
155 ZKEOJ : aww, thanks! I got too excited too soon. I re-read your post, and misread it the first time - duh! Cheers micha
156 dlnz : NZ are upgauging HNL to 3 x weekly 772 services Jun-Aug 2012. Outside of these periods it appears to remain twice weekly 763. Any idea how the fleet w
157 cchan : Probably summer holidays in USA. What codeshares does NZ have from HNL?
158 avrich : SFO/LAX AFAIK, most HNL traffic is O&D. The timing is probably more to do with winter in NZ. I would be extraordinarily surprised, it's too thin.
159 xiaotung : Would make Airpoints upgrades very attractive if the rates remain the same. No rates to upgrade to Y+ on the chart assuming Y+ is offered.
160 darenw : Has anyone experienced premium economy on Air NZ 773's since the upgrade? Would be interested to hear what people think of it since the increase in le
161 NZ2 : How can you say Biz sustains it when something like $5100 return very few fork out that when it is just about the same to go Biz via LAX, most are up
162 Post contains images avrich : Sorry, I need to clarify. By premium I mean frequent flyer, not necessarily biz. I wouldn't say most biz passengers are upgrades, but there are certai
163 ZK-NBT : The night flight is scheduled with the same aircraft CHC gets with the new regional J, 9V-SRN and SQI are the main aircraft on these flights. AKL-SIN
164 Kaiarahi : I'll probably get flamed again, but my experience is there's now sufficient legroom, but none of the other hard product issues (e.g. offset tray, min
165 koruman : I am a regular flyer to both HNL and PPT and the routes are quite different. PPT is sustained by Business Class sales, in part because the fares are s
166 jasewgtn : Does anyone know what the direct flights from Gisborne to Timaru and Gisborne to Westport are for today? They are both being operated by a DH8C
167 Mr AirNZ : Heartland rugby charters. Always lots at this time of year from province to province.
168 Post contains links aerokiwi : The usual naff industry awards... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/new...ticle.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=10755544 The WLG Airport win is interesting for
169 Post contains links zkojh : and yet more delays on the 787-9 for NZ , is it gone past the joke now? no international expassion then till late 2014/ early 2015. ''Air NZ'S Dreamli
170 NZ107 : Well with the world's economy as it is right now, I'm not too sure if expansion would be wise. But I heard Rob Fyfe say something about compensation
171 Post contains images cchan : For those of us who love the 744, 763 and 772, this isn't a bad thing.
172 Post contains images gasman : Agree on the first two; tragic especially to see the 744s gathering dust on the ground at AKL (although for me it's not been quite the aircraft it wa
173 alangirvan : After seeing the first 747-8Fs rejected by Cargolux and Atlas, I think Rob would be waiting to see what the 748i will deliver before he orders it.
174 Post contains images aerorobnz : for performance related issues at that... As much as I would love to see it, I think we could be waiting a very long time. when have you ever seen NZ
175 SunriseValley : My reading of the article was that they have had compensation and are negotiating for more. The term "nightmare" is being overly dramatic. Does NZ as
176 PA515 : That's interesting. There's been nothing in the Annual Accounts, only references to negotiating compensation. Could be something was agreed after the
177 gasman : I wondered about that too. While significant, fuel is not as big a portion of airfare as one might think. Could it be that NZ - and others - are "tal
178 kiwiandrew : Perhaps, then again, fuel is not the additional only cost involved in continuing to fly the older 767 and 747 aircraft... leases have had to be exten
179 koruman : My newspaper on the HNL-AKL service recently was the Dominion Post rather than the Herald I had been expecting. Do the 767s operate some flights into
180 NZ107 : Not scheduled.. But sometimes for special occasions like Bledisloe Cup matches in Wellington.
181 mariner : I think it's valid. The major problem being that the delays have been incremental. If Boeing had said from the git-go that the delay would be four (?
182 koruman : Mariner, I still think that the 789 purchase was simplistic and naive. Everyone knows which routes were suitable for the 744, and which can be more ec
183 mariner : It may be, but that wasn't my point. I am startled by the idea that this isn't a "nightmare" situation for Air NZ. I think they could have made a num
184 xiaotung : Not just the 767s. My PVG flight last night had the Dominion Post on board instead of the Herald which surprised me as well.
185 motorhussy : Wonder if the Herald may have bagged NZ in some capacity recently?! They have a propensity to provide only one side of a story which, when they do, i
186 motorhussy : I despair that the airline didn't bite the bullet years ago and order the A332 and send back the 77E's on arrival of the 77W's - now that is a simpli
187 SunriseValley : With the 772 set up at about 300-seats and the A332 similar to QF at 236-seats or AF at 209 seats , the A332 would appear to be considerably short on
188 Post contains links mariner : I'm not technical, I don't follow all the variants of the various aircraft, I am more interested in the strategic side of airline planning. There is
189 cchan : IMHO, NZ does not NEED the 787 at all. With a fleet of some newer 763, 77E, 77L and 77W, NZ can do quite well. Any new route which is not going to be
190 alangirvan : Just wondering about the Rugby World Cup and Travel Management - since moving large squads of Rugby players around the country, and some of the teams
191 Zkpilot : Considerably more capacity than the 707. The 707 was barely bigger than a 738 or a 762. The 788 is bigger than a 763 and the 789 is about the same as
192 alangirvan : The 707-320 and the DC-8-52 were both smaller than a 738 and much smaller than a 762. The DC-8-63 was the same size as a 762. Size does depend on int
193 aerokiwi : Anyone know why the NZ flight numbers between WLG and CHC have changed from 4XX to 3XX? Just noticed it.
194 aerorobnz : My flight to WLG and back tomorrow are still beginning with 4...
195 aerokiwi : I'm on NZ359 in November, back on NZ364.
196 HLZCPH : A friend of mine recently had a CHC-AKL flight (B733) and his flight number was something like 1558. Why would that be?
197 aerorobnz : Usually it's a positioning flight number for an international A320 I think - sometime the flight operates even after they decide to swap the aircraft
198 nascarnut : It has been a type of realignment of flight numbers 300 - WLG/CHC Jet flights except 302/303 which is the AK lIntl to CHC Intl flight 400 - AKL/WLG J
199 cchan : The 3XX numbers used to be used for some codeshare flights. Have these all changed?
200 HLZCPH : Thanks guys. Has NBW left our shores yet? And is it known who will operate the future BDSFs, SUJ and NBW?
201 timb777 : [/quote] Makes perfect sense. I wonder if we will see some change in flight numbers diferentiating 320 domestic flights from those operated by the 733
202 NZ107 : Well they haven't done it yet so I'd assume they'd just leave it as it is. As more A320s arrive, the chances of catching one will only increase.
203 cchan : The flight numbers are more to do with different operators than aircraft types: 7XX, 8XX, 9XX: Zeal320 2XXX: Eagle Air 5XXX: Mount Cook 8XXX: Air Nel
204 koruman : Last weekend I flew AKL-BNE. I was using a full economy fare on a 77E and had applied eleven months earlier to use an upgrade, which cleared only five
205 aerorobnz : It was still there as of 1515 this afternoon without koru etc.. Yep. It's across the board for all airlines - it has been a flop as far as global eve
206 Post contains links mariner : Why so poopy? The planes must have been full at some point because here in li'l ol' Whangarei, we've been swamped, and with Japanese in large numbers
207 joelyboy911 : Well one begets the other when these subsidiaries all exist for the express purpose of operating a single aircraft type.
208 Kaiarahi : Happens to me regularly on YVR/SFO/LAX-AKL. Twice last year, my * upgrade from PE never cleared (even at the gate), even though the flight operated w
209 cchan : This used to be a little more exciting some years ago when Eagle Air had EMB and SWM (both 2XXX numbers), Air Nelson changed from SF3 to DH3 (8XXX nu
210 Post contains images NZ2 : Not sure which flights you have been taking or maybe because you are up the pointy end you dont see all the rest of us down back but the flights to/f
211 koruman : There are currently five vacant seats out of 24 - 2A, 3A, 4A are individual vacant seats and 4E and 4F are together. Those aren't bad seats - when I
212 MillwallSean : Surprisingly enough I had about 50 Frenchmen on a Royal Brunei plane flying down to Auckland as well. They were Asian expats working for Total I belie
213 alangirvan : I think out of CHC, SQ (and EK) are well supported by South Island Travel Agents. Even if the traveller is going to somewhere in Asia - Phuket etc, t
214 Post contains links mariner : Perhaps it's the crowd in which people mix. At the risk of injecting a little (much needed) levity into the debate, I know a big bunch of people in F
215 nascarnut : 2 QF A330's and a QF 763 dropping into WLG on Monday 10th. 1115 QF6032 from SYD A330 departing @ 1315 1325 QF6036 from SYD A330 departing @ 1515 1545
216 aerokiwi : "Dismal"? A little OTT no? I'm no rugby jock but I've actually really enjoyed the buzz over the past few weeks. The Tongans and Samoans have been fan
217 alangirvan : Visitor numbers in Dunedin from the RWC have been very good, so the people must have come from somewhere, even if they did not fly in the Business Cla
218 gasman : Do you have a source???? Or are you simply conjuring up a worst case scenario?? I certainly share your sentiment! Hone might be an even poorer choice
219 motorhussy : From memory, the 77E was always seen as a little too much plane for many of the routes yet they were interim lift until the 789's. When they were ord
220 SunriseValley : I don't see the A333 , certainly not the version available when the 772 was ordered . It seems to work well up to about 10 hr. segments. NZ has very
221 koruman : At any given time there are barely a handful of New Zealand senior executives on the market. We all know that Rob Fyfe has been seeking alternative p
222 SunriseValley : where is Ray Webster these days?
223 Post contains links A330NZ : http://www.christchurchairport.co.nz...hristchurch-airport-break-records/ Apparently D7 is doing very well in CHC despite the earthquakes
224 koruman : Would the World Cup ever have been hosted if the politicians had been honest about the abject lack of economic benefits? Hopes of armies of South Afr
225 mariner : I hope so. And the economic benefits in my area not "abject." By your own admission, you've been in Australia a long time. Whatever you mean by all t
226 gasman : Please, people, are we serious? A medicore cricketer cum sporting-administrator with a legal background is a contender for CEO of Air NZ?? Now hang o
227 gasman : As far as 'bashing' goes, I think Australians are far more mature than us. On my two visits to SYD last month I was struck by the warmth and praise e
228 Post contains links mariner : I've spent a lot of time in Australia this year - I am Australian, although I live here. I agree that most Australians are generous people - how coul
229 aerorobnz : If the shoe fits...:-P
230 Post contains images mariner : Always. But the first time it was said to me was in 1967 when I first told Australian chums I was moving to NZ and their reaction was - uniformly - Y
231 koruman : There are several issues here. I think in general that Rugby World Cups are a dismal economic proposition, and that includes the one held in Australi
232 mariner : Most people I know were very honest - let's have a party. And we have. There are always people who make extravagant claims. I've no idea where you're
233 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Everyone mentions Martin Sneddon. On the other hand, Ralph Norris finishes with the Commonwealth bank very soon
234 VHSMM : I don't know about you fellows, but I am enjoying the Rugby World Cup. No better excuse to fly over to NZ every weekend to watch some rugby. With so m
235 alangirvan : I heard that Koruman is to be hired as a special consultant to the CEO.
236 koruman : I'm sure that my proposals for a 788 fleet flying OOL-MAN, OOL-HNL and OOL-PPT in a 4J / 0U / 0Y configuration will be a great success! I'm not sure
237 aerorobnz : I saw today that the 787 that has just been delivered is 11 tons overweight....that's a hell of a lot. It's basically a 'non ER' version as it were...
238 SunriseValley : where did you see that and is it authorative or an A. net guess estimate?
239 koruman : The 789 has always been an "eyes bigger than the stomach" proposition. It will have the same cabin capacity as the 77E, but with passengers more cramm
240 Post contains links and images NZ107 : My eyes aren't cheated, are they? http://www.flickr.com/photos/axel_j/6217396675 A second All Black A320. MSN 4884. I wonder if this is heading somewh
241 Post contains links aerorobnz : This was an article posted on the company website. I think it can be taken quite seriously... http://blog.thenewstribune.com/busin...lbs-overweight/#
242 joelyboy911 : As far as liveries go, this one is unique. Well rather, it was. I think this sort of thing kinda belongs on one plane only. If they are going to do m
243 aerorobnz : My understanding was that the first 4 or 5 would be without winglets. potentially, but I don't think the savings will be that great in the end.
244 JMM99 : RWC is a financial flop for a number of reasons (we've recently been offered contra deals to all remaining games all QF's, SF's & GF) 1. CHC earth
245 koruman : I don't see the livery as any more "All Black" than "Silver Fern" or "Black Cap" or any of the other stupid nicknames (wheel blacks? black sticks?).
246 JMM99 : especially if AB's lose this weekend QF or next weekends SF !!!
247 Post contains images mariner : Out here in the woop-woop, at out local (very good) restaurant, the September take is up 35% from last year, so they don't think it is a flop. If "ov
248 JMM99 : In last month we have had over dozen emails trying to sell 100's of RWC game tickets(all games)/accom/flights/cruises etc. not for cash but contra. I
249 mariner : That may be. I can only tell you what I know - what my local experience has been. But I've posted the various links before, won't bother doing it aga
250 aerorobnz : This is the point, None of the markets NZ are/will/should be looking at have heard of them or any of our Sports teams, So why limit a livery to such
251 mariner : But it is on the A320 - they don't usually fly to the US, Canada or China. mariner
252 NZ107 : And more accurately, the domestic A320. I think I heard at the AGM that there were 2 more A320s to be delivered by the end of the year so I suppose w
253 aerorobnz : Yes, it is fine for the LCC shorthaul all Y class operation. It looks like it is designed for that kind of low rent carrier. I did quantify this in m
254 mariner : I like it, and I don't think it looks particularly low rent. I'm not even sure why it should be limited to domestic - why not send it across the Tasm
255 zkncj : This is because ZK-OAB isn't ETOPS rated & doesn't carry life rafts.
256 mariner : Yes, I understand that. But if the livery appeared on TT capable aircraft, I wouldn't have a problem. mariner
257 cchan : It depends on whether NZ can convince Australian customers to support the All Blacks!
258 Post contains links and images mariner : So everyone who flies on this plays Pokemon: View Large View MediumPhoto © Toshi Aoki - JP Spotters I think Technicolor Yawn - but each to their own
259 cchan : Apparently a lot of them do. When NH first introduced the Pokemon jets, they have a schedule on their website for customers who want to fly on them.
260 Unclekoru : Passed through WLG twice this afternoon, it was extremely busy. There must be a few extra visitors around!
261 Zkpilot : Not necessarily. If Boeing can get the 788 weight down then by the time the 789 comes along all the lessons should be learnt and it should be good to
262 mariner : I recall a lot of interest in Wunala Dreaming, too, and maybe an All Black livery aircraft might be a wow in the islands. Speaking of which - I was a
263 NZ6 : Yes the next two will be black. So getting over a dozen emails about RWC tickets makes it a flop? Depends how you measure success I guess but lets wa
264 cchan : The SYD-RAR service is going to last, maybe there is some chance of an upgauge to 772 or 789 in the future. If you visit RAR while this service is ru
265 mariner : Thanks, good to hear. It's always been my hope that this might encourage the airline to develop more flights ex-Australia. mariner
266 aerorobnz : I don't expect that Boeing will have lost all the 11 tonnes by the time our first aircraft are flying and are being used as test aircraft - given the
267 SunriseValley : Your assumption is based on an unverifiable report . If you are following the two or more concurrent threads on the topic of the 787 you will be awar
268 cchan : I guess this would require some spare 763 capacity to run initial trial flights. It probably won't happen until one of the existing 763 routes get an
269 koruman : The scheduling has been a major problem: today's quarter-finals are at 0600 and 0830 in UK/Ireland and 2 and 430 pm here in Queensland. I have Britis
270 SunriseValley : I should add, the first 789 is something like LN130 quite a distance from LN90 where target weights are scheduled to be achieved.
271 darenw : Thats an absolute load of rubbish. The rugby has been the leading item on BBC sport a number of days, especially when England is playing. Take a look
272 aerorobnz : Yeah - true , all I'm suggesting to you is that there are still 787 issues for NZ to manage and that even once delivered it may be a while before the
273 koruman : There is a difference between the global website - which is aimed at commonwealth nations, the white ones of which mainly follow rugby - and what is
274 Post contains links darenw : I'm looking at the BBC UK website http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport and it is the second item after Rooney. This is getting a little off topic, doesn't hav
275 cchan : My guess is that they won't be starting new destinations before the 789 arrive. Doesn't look like they have much spare capacity in the fleet at the m
276 Mr AirNZ : As someone in the UK at the moment, this is BS! RWC talk on tv across various channels as I transited Heathrow the other day. Games showing on ITV (a
277 joelyboy911 : Not sure if it was Australian or American, but I saw a C-17 at PMR today. I was out in the area near the airport, and saw it circle round, then I assu
278 NZ107 : I saw it on some strange flightpath to Whenuapai (never seen that route taken ever and was lucky to get a glimpse of it!). Yeah, it is here for the T
279 darenw : I did read somewhere (can't remember where) that routes that weren't making money where going to be pulled and the free aircraft placed on new destin
280 NZ107 : Sounds like China or HKG-LHR in that case. Except for the fact that dropping HKG-LHR only really frees up one plane.
281 xiaotung : There have been some high profile Chinese celebrities promoting NZ flights lately. Doesn't sound like PVG at all. Not sure about PEK. Plus the follow
282 MillwallSean : Why is it that kiwis always have to explain to the two Englishmen on this board how popular their sport is in our country? We have grown up in Englan
283 cchan : ZK-NCG would be 21 years old by then. With some luck (some further delays on the 789), we maybe able to see NCG still in service with NZ at 25 years
284 aerorobnz : KIX, PPT, RAR-LAX,HKG-LHR there's probably any number of routes that could go before losing the chinese market.
285 cchan : NZ has an agreement with the Cook Islands government in running this sector, this is unlikely to be terminated until the contract has lapsed and the
286 Unclekoru : Heard the C-17 outbound from Ohakea for Wellington yesterday on the radio. Sounded like a training flight. It was suggested in a recent interview wit
287 cchan : Considering that both NZ and CZ are increasing the frequency of flights between AKL and China, I am inclined to believe that market is doing reasonab
288 Post contains images aerokiwi : Then why drag it out? Seriously, Stephen Jones (the Garth George of international rugby commentary) has disappeared behind the Times paywall and long
289 aerorobnz : AKL/CHC are both 24h airport operations - Airwork send 733F and QF freight a 763F every night around that time. Only WLG is noise restricted I believ
290 cchan : It is best done in the wee hours (NZL time) when less people are posting. Start a new thread with a link to the former thread, and a brief summary. T
291 Post contains images jasewgtn : Stuff.co.nz is saying that Wellington airport is expecting their busiest day today. 9 departures to Sydney alone with a mix of A320s, B738's, B734's a
292 cchan : South Africa vs Australia in WLG yesterday evening. Probably lots of Aussie fans going home today and these flights will probably take the South Afri
293 JMM99 : Gee must be true if 1 news says so. Rugby clubs always put up other rugby club members, who don't want to, or haven't fund to stay in a hotel. Obviou
294 Post contains links aerokiwi : Thread 103 is available here... New Zealand Aviation Thread #103 (by aerokiwi Oct 9 2011 in Civil Aviation)
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