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AA & DL Further Reduce Capacity; DL No New Planes  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25521 posts, RR: 50
Posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15564 times:

Due continued market weakness both American Airlines and Delta today announced additional capacity cuts in the 4th quarter and for 2012.

AA wil shave off an additiona half precent in Q4 capacity primarily through day off week and Saturday cancellations, while Delta see its total Q4 capacity down 4-5%, and now expects 2012 capacity to be down 2-3 % compared to 2011.

Also today Delta President Ed Bastion announced at an analyst conference that the carrier would not be placing any new aircraft orders "in the next couple of years".
I guess so much for the expectation of maybe a C-Series, or something smaller than the previous 737-900 order to replace the MD-88 fleet.

Stories:

American Airlines to trim 4Q flights
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Americ...im-4Q-apf-2959202243.html?x=0&.v=2

Delta to cut 2012 flying by 2-3 percent
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Delta-...ing-by-apf-571430012.html?x=0&.v=1

[Edited 2011-09-13 12:07:02]


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User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15504 times:
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Besides Southwest, Virgin and JetBlue, are there any airlines growing in North America? Without mergers or whatsoever.

User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4281 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15459 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 1):
Besides Southwest, Virgin and JetBlue, are there any airlines growing in North America? Without mergers or whatsoever.

Allegiant maybe?


It's no shock with AA....they are going to need something dramatic to save them in a few months without having to go Chapter 11.

As far as DL goes, could the cuts signal the complete demise of CVG and MEM?


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1966 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15431 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Also today Delta President Ed Bastion announced at an analyst conference that the carrier would not be placing any new aircraft orders "in the next couple of years".

No "new orders". How does that play into the rumor of WN selling its 717s to DL? They'd be used, not new.



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User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15301 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
It's no shock with AA....they are going to need something dramatic to save them in a few months without having to go Chapter 11.

They are sitting on $5 Billion in cash right now. Don't think they are going to blow through that in "a few months"



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7229 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15276 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 3):
No "new orders". How does that play into the rumor of WN selling its 717s to DL? They'd be used, not new.

Interesting...the MD-90s are definitely excluded!


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15233 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 3):
No "new orders". How does that play into the rumor of WN selling its 717s to DL? They'd be used, not new.

That isn't an actual rumor outside of this website, so I don't see it happening.

NS


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1966 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15151 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 6):

That isn't an actual rumor outside of this website,

Sure it is, all of our pilots and FAs are talking about it when they pull in.



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User currently onlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32882 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15111 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 1):

Besides Southwest, Virgin and JetBlue, are there any airlines growing in North America? Without mergers or whatsoever.


AA is growing, albeit not at anything significant. AA is cutting the planned capacity, which represents growth over last year.



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User currently offlinenorcal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15058 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):

They might not have a choice but to reduce some flying with the amount of retirements they are having. 111 on 9/1 and rumored 220+ coming 10/1. That might not sound like a lot but many of those guys that retired 9/1 are 777 crews and check airmen that not only hurts their most profitable fleet but also the ability to train replacements. A 777 vacancy is particularly troublesome because it has a cascading effect on the training department. A 777 captain vacancy might cause a 777 FO or 767 Captain to move to that slot opening up their slot causing a 757 or 737 pilot to go to that slot opening up a vacancy there and so on and so forth. I've heard that a 777 vacancy might cause 5 training events. They are already short staffed and haven't done enough to hire check airmen to train new pilots. It's no wonder that AMR is publicly begging it's pilots to give up vacation in order to avoid canceling trips.


User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15057 times:

Airlines and its operations are a perfect gauge to where the economy is. This economy is so not in a good place right now. Even outlook wise there is just NOTHING these companies get excited about...
Not good. Where is the inspiration in Washington?   

I think the rumor mill with regards to DL and the fate of its TATL 757 operations may hold some more truth to it now. We will find out soon enough.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11708 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14968 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
As far as DL goes, could the cuts signal the complete demise of CVG and MEM?

I tend to agree. Perhaps day-of-week cancellations in select higher-frequency domestic markets and on some international routes will get them where they want to be in terms of aggregate capacity reduction, but I have to think that at some point they are going to have to begin even further reducing Cincinnati and Memphis.

Quoting AA787 (Reply 4):
They are sitting on $5 Billion in cash right now. Don't think they are going to blow through that in "a few months"

Agreed. If AA is to file for Chapter 11, I suspect it will probably be longer than "a few months." Let's see if AMR can stay out of reorganization through the winter.


User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6330 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14769 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
need something dramatic to save them in a few months

I've seen years of people on A.net saying AA will be bankrupt within "a few months"


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25521 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14775 times:

For the AA cuts it was announced it would virtually all be day of week. For example Saturdays will see a massive 13% pull down of flying this winter, while other days like Tue/Wed would see 4-5% reductions.

However there would be some long-haul changes also - DFW-NRT would be reduced from 14 to 12 per week, and also DFW-LHR would see "capacity rationalization" with 763 replacing a 777. They also said JFK-HND was suspended but we knew that already.
I suspect these changes are more related to pilot shortages than performance except in HND's case.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11708 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14715 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
I suspect these changes are more related to pilot shortages than performance except in HND's case.

That was my understanding - this is pretty much related to the lead time required to train new 777 pilots.

With the re-shuffle this is going to cause, and given the remaining APA members still on furlough (I don't think it was all that many, maybe a few hundred left), I wonder if AA may actually - unbelievably - have to hire some new pilots in the near future, for the first time in a decade.

There are probably some CRJ captains at Eagle getting pretty excited right now!


User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14562 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Due continued market weakness both American Airlines and Delta today announced additional capacity cuts in the 4th quarter and for 2012.

I guess I will never understand the industry then...I assume they are cutting capacity because revenue isn't coming in as high as they want it to? I ask this because of this article:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Airlin...-demand-rb-604966366.html?x=0&.v=1

I guess I'm not understanding ...can anyone explain? Thanks


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7597 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14501 times:

Quoting peanuts (Reply 10):
I think the rumor mill with regards to DL and the fate of its TATL 757 operations may hold some more truth to it now. We will find out soon enough.
Quoting commavia (Reply 11):
I tend to agree. Perhaps day-of-week cancellations in select higher-frequency domestic markets and on some international routes will get them where they want to be in terms of aggregate capacity reduction, but I have to think that at some point they are going to have to begin even further reducing Cincinnati and Memphis.

Either of these rumors would get you a lot more than 2-3% capacity reduction versus 2011.

[Edited 2011-09-13 12:57:43]

User currently offlinenorcal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14499 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 14):
With the re-shuffle this is going to cause, and given the remaining APA members still on furlough (I don't think it was all that many, maybe a few hundred left), I wonder if AA may actually - unbelievably - have to hire some new pilots in the near future, for the first time in a decade.

Ironically the recall rate was decreased to 25 a month recently because of the training bubble developing. Essentially American has to decide if they want to cancel 777 flights or MD-80 flights. They are going to take care of the training events to fix the 777 problem before increasing the recall rate. AMR management has once again waited till the staffing problem occurred before actually anticipating their staffing problems and dealing with it accordingly.

From what I hear they have neither the space or the instructors to do the training needed to staff the airline. Supposedly between all the recalls and the Eagle hiring (they both use the same training center) they don't have space for all the training going on.

Quoting commavia (Reply 14):
There are probably some CRJ captains at Eagle getting pretty excited right now!

CRJ/ATR/ERJ Captains a like. Chatter on pilot forums is that the next group of flow throughs will go in November or December and then the 824 will start going with new hires. If this continues Eagle will be a very different (very junior) company in a few years time.


User currently offlinealoha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14297 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 1):
Besides Southwest, Virgin and JetBlue, are there any airlines growing in North America? Without mergers or whatsoever.

Hawaiian has been adding A330s and a new HNL-Asia route every few months for the past year (HND, KIX, SEL, FUK) as well increasing service to the mainland US (OGG-SJC, OGG-OAK) and will continue to do so for the next few years as more A330s come into the fleet.

Quote:
Hawaiian, which has been rapidly expanding as other airlines have scaled back, said it plans to announce more new routes in the first half of next year when it gets four new Airbus A330-200 aircraft. Hawaiian also is due to get one more A330 delivered next month, but that will be offset by the retirement of a Boeing 767-300ER later this year.

"We have the choices of increasing our services on existing routes, inaugurating new international services or introducing new domestic services," Dunkerley said. "We're still in the analytical phase."

Hawaiian said it already has begun filling more than 400 new positions to accommodate next year's expansion. During the next six months, Hawaiian said it expects to hire 56 pilots, 275 flight attendants, 38 airport customer service agents and 40 maintenance personnel to be based in Honolulu.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/busine...ings_toward_asia.html?id=129709003

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14299 times:

Quoting AA787 (Reply 4):

They are sitting on $5 Billion in cash right now. Don't think they are going to blow through that in "a few months"

They would file long before they blew through that $5bil. You need cash to get through bankruptcy. Instead of monitoring cash as a signal of a pending bankruptcy, watch AMR's market cap. The lower the market cap goes the closer they are to bankruptcy, while I don't see anything happening in a couple of months if their market cap drops below $1bil I would start anticipating a ch11 filing regardless of the amount of cash they are holding.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11708 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14144 times:

Quoting norcal (Reply 17):
AMR management has once again waited till the staffing problem occurred before actually anticipating their staffing problems and dealing with it accordingly.

Agreed - AA management should have had more expectation of this coming. On the other hand - while not an excuse - I wonder how much they could have planned for considering the lead-time required to get pilots into the pipeline, and considering how the market has tanked in the last two months (the apparent proximate cause of this retirement spike).

Quoting norcal (Reply 17):
From what I hear they have neither the space or the instructors to do the training needed to staff the airline. Supposedly between all the recalls and the Eagle hiring (they both use the same training center) they don't have space for all the training going on.

Interesting. Different simulators, of course, but didn't realize Eagle also used the same non-simulator areas of the Flight Academy.

Quoting norcal (Reply 17):
CRJ/ATR/ERJ Captains a like. Chatter on pilot forums is that the next group of flow throughs will go in November or December and then the 824 will start going with new hires. If this continues Eagle will be a very different (very junior) company in a few years time.

That is going to have a substantial impact on closing the real and/or perceived cost gap between Eagle and competitors.

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 19):
They would file long before they blew through that $5bil. You need cash to get through bankruptcy.

True, although most airlines in the last decade seem to have chosen to use externally-financed Debtor-in-Possession (DIP) cash to survive bankruptcy - not internal cash held at the time of filing.


User currently onlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1936 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14093 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 11):
but I have to think that at some point they are going to have to begin even further reducing Cincinnati and Memphis.

Well CVG is about as lean as it could ever be at what, 160 daily flights? MEM is the only one of the two with any real 'fat' that could be cut, IMO if these cuts do come from one of the two hubs either MEM will just be further reduced or CVG will just get flat-out dehubbed, I can't see any in-between.


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4914 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14021 times:
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Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 15):
guess I will never understand the industry then...I assume they are cutting capacity because revenue isn't coming in as high as they want it to?

Well, current bookings (including Q4 2011) actually remain quite healthy at most carriers, and RASM growth continues quite decently: Delta reported 11.5% growth in August; United reported 10.5 -11.5% in the same month; for September, Delta is at 12% or 15% (if excluding last year's one-off revenue bonus) year-over-year growth. For Q3, DL is estimating 10.5% RASM growth, and around 10% growth for Q4. The big question mark is with the economy going into 2012, so airlines are trying to prepare for that as they can see what capacity discipline can do to help with yields, revenues, and ultimately, profitability.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 16):
Either of these rumors would get you a lot more than 2-3% capacity reduction versus 2011.

Exactly. It's not that hard to lop 2-3% off without significant changes to the network.


User currently offlinelucky777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13596 times:

I fail to see how Delta/AA/UA/US Airways or any other Legacy carrier reducing capacity will help their cause for one second if the cuts taken by them are almost assuredly negated by expansion from the low-cost carriers.....?

Where is there any greater pricing power if you cut 2-3% and yet there's jetBlue or Southwest or Allegiant lining up to fill up the holes you had just created. Who was it who said you can't cut your way to profitability?


User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13548 times:
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Quoting aloha73g (Reply 18):
Hawaiian has been adding A330s and a new HNL-Asia route every few months for the past year (HND, KIX, SEL, FUK) as well increasing service to the mainland US (OGG-SJC, OGG-OAK) and will continue to do so for the next few years as more A330s come into the fleet.

Quote:
Hawaiian, which has been rapidly expanding as other airlines have scaled back, said it plans to announce more new routes in the first half of next year when it gets four new Airbus A330-200 aircraft. Hawaiian also is due to get one more A330 delivered next month, but that will be offset by the retirement of a Boeing 767-300ER later this year.

"We have the choices of increasing our services on existing routes, inaugurating new international services or introducing new domestic services," Dunkerley said. "We're still in the analytical phase."

Hawaiian said it already has begun filling more than 400 new positions to accommodate next year's expansion. During the next six months, Hawaiian said it expects to hire 56 pilots, 275 flight attendants, 38 airport customer service agents and 40 maintenance personnel to be based in Honolulu.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/busine...ings_toward_asia.html?id=129709003

-Aloha!

You are totally right!  


25 sxf24 : Southwest isn't growing, and will likely shrink in 2012. Jetblue's growth has slowed dramatically and Allegiant doesn't really compete with legacies
26 tpaewr : Don't be surprised to see some of M90s believered straight into storage
27 LAXtoATL : Because they aren't randomly cutting capacity. They are cutting capacity in markets where they can control the supply/pricing. For one if you take De
28 dsuairptman : Watch how this creates more demand in early 2012 and these cut backs quickly become absorbed back into actual flying. Also Remember those CRJ 200s are
29 norcal : Yep from what I've been told they cross utilize class rooms for the ground school portions. Eagle is actually renting sim time everywhere they possib
30 Acey559 : I'm in Dallas right now for new-hire training and I've noticed that the 777 sims in particular seem to be running almost continuously throughout the d
31 norcal : You're with Eagle now? Congrats and welcome to the industry!
32 LAXtoATL : Well, that's the goal!
33 sxf24 : Why? There are plenty of owned and/or less-efficient 757s, MD88s or A320s to park.
34 jetjack74 : It doesn't, because that was figment of someone's A.net imagination Well it at least it puts to rest any more speculation about C-Series, neo or max
35 planefxr : [quote=jetjack74,reply=34]Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 3): Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): No "new orders". How does that play into the rumor of WN
36 Post contains links dtw9 : Apears to be more than just an A-net rumor or figment of someones imagination. Someone else seems to feel the same way http://aviationblog.dallasnews
37 Post contains links be77 : WS, AC, and PD are all adding capacity in relatively measured steps, and use what they have a little more. In addition to the larger fleets and load
38 Post contains links TSS : Playing Devil's Advocate here, do we know for certain that Bob McAdoo doesn't contribute to or at least read A.net? The idea of DL taking the ex-FL/e
39 FlyPNS1 : AA's ASM's were down in August 2011 vs 2010. Eagle actually grew, but cuts to mainline were more than enough to offset. So no, AA is not growing. B6
40 Post contains links AVLAirlineFreq : This article (which originated in the Atlanta Business Journal) indicates that MEM will be cut by 25%"in the fourth quarter," though that was not in
41 jfklganyc : "B6 and WN aren't growing either...not in any significant way. G4 flying is largely irrelevant to the legacies as they are carrying customers the lega
42 vgnatl747 : Granted I've been flying to major markets through ATL, but EVERY DL flight I've been on in the last 6 months has been full. When we left ATL last nigh
43 TOMMY767 : I severly doubt that. If anything, expect the D95s to be more rapidly retired.
44 Post contains images scntekir : Why would Delta and AA bother replace their aging fleet when their 25 year old MD 80s are doing just fine. You don’t need new airplanes when you are
45 FutureUScapt : If you are pulling that data from their August traffic report, that's likely a result of the cancellations caused by Hurricane Irene. ASMs were sched
46 ckfred : Remember that pilots don't have to give any advance notice of retirement. It's typical in the corporate world to give several months notice of retire
47 seabosdca : Charge more. The whole idea of the cuts is to get rid of unprofitable flying and raise yields to sustainable levels. Every cent increase in the price
48 norcal : There were strong indications that these guys were going to be retiring. There were rumors of 600 guys retiring over the course of the fall. There we
49 lucky777 : It's funny you would say that....because i can recall former Delta exec. Vicki Escarra saying the exact same thing about Southwest about 15 years ago
50 peanuts : Not necessarily. Although it's a highly speculative rumor, even if DL eliminated TATL 757 flying, some of those routes would see 767 service, others
51 jetjack74 : Cutting out some of the BS on here, it wouldn't surprise me at all that some of the ideas that are passed around on here would grab the attention of
52 AADC10 : What are you talking about? The MD-80s are killing them by having at least 30% higher fuel CASM than a current generation 737 or A320. The have prove
53 LAXtoATL : While I am skeptical as well, it is much plausible in McAdoo's theory that WN return the 717s to Boeing as part of a new aircraft order and then Boei
54 jetjack74 : Anything is possible right now. However, I think Boeing would have no trouble putting those aircraft to work, especially with economies like China an
55 TOMMY767 : A few differences between DL and AA's M80 issues: DL: Many, if not all are leased M88s approx 124 of them. On average they are newer than AA's M82/M8
56 mah4546 : Yes, AA is growing, at a very slow rate. What AA actually operated and what AA planned to operate are very different, especially in a month when a ma
57 LAXtoATL : Many if not all were sold a few years ago and leased back.
58 FlyASAGuy2005 : A few things... To say that most to all of the 88s are leased is incorrect. The fleet is fairly split owned vs. leased. Also, AA sold and leased back
59 LAXintl : Per each companies annual report the breakdown of owned versus leased MD-80s. AMR - 83-Owned / 48-Capital Leases / 93-Operating Leases DAL - 66-Owned
60 FlyASAGuy2005 : A few things... To say that most to all of the 88s are leased is incorrect. The fleet is fairly split owned vs. leased. Also, AA sold and leased back
61 lucky777 : Some of the latter 6xx series 757's aren't that old as far as i knew...i'm talking aboout the 670+ ships.
62 FlyASAGuy2005 : I was actually quoting Tommy and what he said specifically. Besides, the same can be said for the new build PMNW 752s. My point to him was that the 5
63 usairways85 : All the airlines are doing is solidifying their ability to continue to raise fares. I have a very small sample set and normally fly during prime busin
64 LAXintl : Yes air-travel is down in the US the last 4-years running, and we have still have a ways to go in recovering to pre 9/11 traffic levels. Per DOT - to
65 Acey559 : Yep, just started Monday. Thanks very much! I can't wait to get out of the classroom and start doing some flying.
66 Post contains links PSU.DTW.SCE : Link to DL's investor presentation from yesterday: http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/2...01968711002966/delta_8k-ex9901.htm
67 n471wn : Wrong....SWA is growing but doing so "under the radar".....Look at their RPM's Y-T-D and tell me again they are not growing. On their financial calls
68 AVLAirlineFreq : Thanks for the link. On page 8, there's a bullet point about an upcoming revenue enhancement called "Enhance SkyMiles to reward the best customers (2
69 ERJ170 : Hmmm.. Slide 9.. Thinning of Caribbean markets for off-season, offset by buildup of Mexico.. flying. I wonder if that means more Sat-only flights to
70 PSU.DTW.SCE : It is expected that DL will add some type of revenue/spend threshold to its top-tier (Diamond, or otherwise) Elite status. So members may qualify thr
71 LipeGIG : I applaud such capacity cuts and the attitude to try to improve results. AA is doing that with Brazil and AFAIK results were very good. They cut GIG t
72 FutureUScapt : For 2011, they are growing but for their forward looking statements for 2012 are that they will remain neutral or even shrink a bit (I tend to think
73 sxf24 : RPMs = number of revenue passengers carried per seat mile, or how many seats are filled. ASMs = number of seat miles offered, or capacity. Higher ASM
74 n471wn : That is what they may say but they will grow as others shrink-----they have great fleet flexibility to make quick capacity changes
75 HPRamper : The AirTran deal gives WN a lot of leeway in how they use their words so it's really all open to interpretation. They now have a ton of new planes an
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OAG Changes 11/12/2010:AA/AS/CO/UA/DL/FL/G4/NK/US posted Wed Nov 10 2010 06:45:03 by enilria
OAG Changes 11/12/2010:AA/AS/CO/UA/DL/FL/G4/NK/US posted Wed Nov 10 2010 06:45:03 by enilria
OAG Changes 11/12/2010:AA/AS/CO/UA/DL/FL/G4/NK/US posted Wed Nov 10 2010 06:45:03 by enilria
OAG Changes 11/12/2010:AA/AS/CO/UA/DL/FL/G4/NK/US posted Wed Nov 10 2010 06:45:03 by enilria
OAG Changes 11/12/2010:AA/AS/CO/UA/DL/FL/G4/NK/US posted Wed Nov 10 2010 06:45:03 by enilria
OAG Changes 10/8/2010:AA/DL/F9/FL/UA/WN/ZK posted Tue Oct 5 2010 11:21:09 by enilria
OAG Changes 10/8/2010:AA/DL/F9/FL/UA/WN/ZK posted Tue Oct 5 2010 11:21:09 by enilria
OAG Changes 10/8/2010:AA/DL/F9/FL/UA/WN/ZK posted Tue Oct 5 2010 11:21:09 by enilria
OAG Changes 10/8/2010:AA/DL/F9/FL/UA/WN/ZK posted Tue Oct 5 2010 11:21:09 by enilria
OAG Changes 10/8/2010:AA/DL/F9/FL/UA/WN/ZK posted Tue Oct 5 2010 11:21:09 by enilria
OAG Changes 10/8/2010:AA/DL/F9/FL/UA/WN/ZK posted Tue Oct 5 2010 11:21:09 by enilria
OAG Changes 7/30/2010: AA/DL/FL/MX/TOM/US/YX posted Tue Jul 27 2010 12:11:44 by enilria
OAG Changes 7/30/2010: AA/DL/FL/MX/TOM/US/YX posted Tue Jul 27 2010 12:11:44 by enilria
OAG Changes 7/30/2010: AA/DL/FL/MX/TOM/US/YX posted Tue Jul 27 2010 12:11:44 by enilria
OAG Changes 7/30/2010: AA/DL/FL/MX/TOM/US/YX posted Tue Jul 27 2010 12:11:44 by enilria
OAG Changes 7/30/2010: AA/DL/FL/MX/TOM/US/YX posted Tue Jul 27 2010 12:11:44 by enilria
OAG Changes 7/30/2010: AA/DL/FL/MX/TOM/US/YX posted Tue Jul 27 2010 12:11:44 by enilria
Did Any DL L-1011s Get A New Livery? posted Sun May 9 2010 08:32:10 by c5load
Did Any DL L-1011s Get A New Livery? posted Sun May 9 2010 08:32:10 by c5load
Did Any DL L-1011s Get A New Livery? posted Sun May 9 2010 08:32:10 by c5load
Did Any DL L-1011s Get A New Livery? posted Sun May 9 2010 08:32:10 by c5load
Did Any DL L-1011s Get A New Livery? posted Sun May 9 2010 08:32:10 by c5load
Did Any DL L-1011s Get A New Livery? posted Sun May 9 2010 08:32:10 by c5load
Did Any DL L-1011s Get A New Livery? posted Sun May 9 2010 08:32:10 by c5load
OAG Changes 4/9/2010: AA/DL/US posted Thu Apr 8 2010 12:56:11 by enilria
OAG Changes 4/9/2010: AA/DL/US posted Thu Apr 8 2010 12:56:11 by enilria
OAG Changes 4/9/2010: AA/DL/US posted Thu Apr 8 2010 12:56:11 by enilria
OAG Changes 4/9/2010: AA/DL/US posted Thu Apr 8 2010 12:56:11 by enilria
OAG Changes 4/9/2010: AA/DL/US posted Thu Apr 8 2010 12:56:11 by enilria
OAG Changes 4/9/2010: AA/DL/US posted Thu Apr 8 2010 12:56:11 by enilria
OAG Changes 4/9/2010: AA/DL/US posted Thu Apr 8 2010 12:56:11 by enilria
First DL CR7 In New Colors posted Tue Feb 2 2010 19:31:35 by ComairGuyCVG
First DL CR7 In New Colors posted Tue Feb 2 2010 19:31:35 by ComairGuyCVG
First DL CR7 In New Colors posted Tue Feb 2 2010 19:31:35 by ComairGuyCVG
First DL CR7 In New Colors posted Tue Feb 2 2010 19:31:35 by ComairGuyCVG
First DL CR7 In New Colors posted Tue Feb 2 2010 19:31:35 by ComairGuyCVG
First DL CR7 In New Colors posted Tue Feb 2 2010 19:31:35 by ComairGuyCVG
First DL CR7 In New Colors posted Tue Feb 2 2010 19:31:35 by ComairGuyCVG