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First Lufthansa 747-8 Routes  
User currently offlinewdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 36268 times:

Did a search to see if this topic has been discussed and it failed to turn up anything...

Anyone have any speculations on Lufthansa's first couple of destinations that they will deploy their 747-8's on?

I am hoping that we get one here at IAH soon!

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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 35642 times:

Nothing yet, sadly. There was chatter of LAX from what I remember.

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9077 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 35650 times:
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Quoting wdleiser (Thread starter):
Anyone have any speculations on Lufthansa's first couple of destinations that they will deploy their 747-8's on?

Nobody knows. The winter schedule 2011/2012 is not 100% confirmed within the company, so I doubt they know where to put the 748i on in summer schedule 2012.
I could think of routes where the 744 has range problems. Like FRA-EZE-FRA or maybe they put it on the SIN route as the 388 might have too many seats and the 748i just has the right amount of seats and the SIN-FRA flight is during wintertime difficult to do on the 744 if you have full PAX.
Maybe DEL as LH planned the 388 to fly there, but India forbids that. Maybe PVG as chinese Government forbids the 388 to fly there...
So let the speculation begin. 
Quoting wdleiser (Thread starter):
I am hoping that we get one here at IAH soon!

Could happen. But every time I flew to IAH flight weren't 100% booked, so I doubt the extra seats are required.

But I am sure no matter where it will fly, we as crew will bid for these trips, no matter where it flies 

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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 35526 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 2):
the SIN-FRA flight is during wintertime difficult to do on the 744 if you have full PAX.

Is the SIN flight not going A388 year-round?


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9077 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 35528 times:
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Quoting LH422 (Reply 3):
Is the SIN flight not going A388 year-round?

From what I heard yes, they want to do the 388 year- round on the SIN route. But that could change if they cannot fill the 388 up and maybe the little less seats on the 748i would fit perfectly then.

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User currently offlineLH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 35412 times:

Before the additional MUC-MEX was announced I would have guessed FRA-MEX gets the extra capacity the 748I offers, now I guess the there is enough capacity.

So here are my ideas:

GRU
ORD
BKK-KUL
DEN



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9077 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 35391 times:
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Quoting LH506 (Reply 5):
BKK-KUL

Good choice as well. Flight is rather long, but good managable by the 744. Flights sometimes pretty full, so the extra boost in seats could be helpful.

Quoting LH506 (Reply 5):
DEN

DEN? Hmm, another option as well.

Quoting LH506 (Reply 5):
ORD

I thought about that one as well. Maybe to reduce from 2 flights to one... Currently 2 744s flying to ORD daily from FRA.

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User currently offlineLHFADUS From Germany, joined Apr 2007, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 34652 times:

My guess would be any 744 destination, that hasn't received A380 service so far or where the A380 was proven "too big". JFK and ORD would be my first guess. IAD and IAH are probable as well. A few Asian destinations: BOM, DEL, PVG, BKK, HKG.

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8481 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 34555 times:

In my opinion, it will be to destinations that are begging for a capacity increase but can't handle the A380. Also where the 748i can give then a competitive advantage. GRU is a no brainer, IMO.

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9077 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 34427 times:
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Quoting airbazar (Reply 8):
In my opinion, it will be to destinations that are begging for a capacity increase but can't handle the A380. Also where the 748i can give then a competitive advantage.

Yes. I guess that was the intention of LH to buy the 748i where the 388 is too big and the 744 is not big enough.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 8):
GRU is a no brainer, IMO.

Maybe, maybe not. I would say EZE will get it before GRU does.

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User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 34403 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 4):
From what I heard yes, they want to do the 388 year- round on the SIN route. But that could change if they cannot fill the 388 up and maybe the little less seats on the 748i would fit perfectly then.

Just a thought, but maybe LH could put the A380 year-round on the route, so SQ has no need to deploy the 744 to FRA anymore, which as we all know, burns more than the 777, which SQ runs through FRA (-JFK) already.

Quoting LH506 (Reply 5):
GRU
ORD

GRU is likely I believe. Loads are good, but it isn't A380-ready yet. Besides, out of own interest, I just wish for them to have the 748i, they are a nice people who deserve the newest jet  
ORD is something I wouldn't expect. The frequency to FRA both on UA and LH is so great, I doubt they could fill a 748i. I'm glad to be proven wrong, as I am unaware of the L/F on LH 744.
If I were to put money on a couple of destinations, I'd go for BOM, DEL and PVG, for the reasons stated in previous posts and threads.



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9077 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 34338 times:
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Quoting Semaex (Reply 10):
Just a thought, but maybe LH could put the A380 year-round on the route, so SQ has no need to deploy the 744 to FRA anymore, which as we all know, burns more than the 777, which SQ runs through FRA (-JFK) already.

Good thought. SIN-FRA is pretty long and the 744 is close at its max there when high pax load. So the 380 makes sense there for sure.

Quoting Semaex (Reply 10):
The frequency to FRA both on UA and LH is so great, I doubt they could fill a 748i. I'm glad to be proven wrong, as I am unaware of the L/F on LH 744.

ORD is doing pretty well. I mean, there are 2 daily 744 flights from FRA, one 340 from MUC and one 333 from DUS. And the loads are pretty good. But for the 748i? Dunno. Maybe one 340 and one 748i.

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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 34329 times:

Why does India forbid carriers operating the A380 there? Is it out of fear of taking custom away from their own carriers.

They could do with the EU in that part of the world... to prevent anti-competitive and protectionist regulation of the market.



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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2990 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 34314 times:

the first 748 destination is going to be Sao Paolo (GRU)

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9077 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 34307 times:
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Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 12):
Why does India forbid carriers operating the A380 there? Is it out of fear of taking custom away from their own carriers.

I guess so. LH wanted to fly to DEL with the 388, but wasn't possible due to some issues between the Governments. What exactly? I don't know about that.
Same with PVG. LH wanted to fly the 388 there as one of their first destinations. Well, the 388 is still not flying there, so the issues not resolved.

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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 34256 times:

I´d say Mumbai could be one of the first 748 routes for LH. Especially the businessclass is often full on that route and the 748I will receive a big Biz section, almost as big as the A380.

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9077 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 34260 times:
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Quoting stylo777 (Reply 13):

the first 748 destination is going to be Sao Paolo (GRU)

Says who?!   

Quoting na (Reply 15):
Especially the businessclass is often full on that route and the 748I will receive a big Biz section,

Not only the business class. The flight is usually pretty full.

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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 34178 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 14):
I guess so. LH wanted to fly to DEL with the 388, but wasn't possible due to some issues between the Governments. What exactly? I don't know about that.

Some information re the LH problems with the Indian government over the A380:


http://www.terminalu.com/travel-news...landing-rights-in-new-delhi/15643/


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9077 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 34154 times:
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Quoting LondonCity (Reply 17):
Some information re the LH problems with the Indian government over the A380:

Ah, many thanks for that link.

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User currently offlinefra-flyer From Germany, joined Jun 2009, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 33891 times:

As long as the homeairport will be FRA evertyhing is ok for me! 


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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9077 posts, RR: 76
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 33848 times:
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Quoting fra-flyer (Reply 19):
As long as the homeairport will be FRA evertyhing is ok for me! 

Very true. But I don't care from where she is flying, as long as I can fly her myself 

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User currently offlinebavair From Germany, joined Jul 2011, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 33792 times:

Quoting fra-flyer (Reply 19):
As long as the homeairport will be FRA evertyhing is ok for me!

I wouldn't mind MUC.. :P
And certain routes in MUC could rly use it, such as SFO and PVG. But I think before MUC ever sees the B748i, LH is going to move some B744's down south..


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 33675 times:

Quoting bavair (Reply 21):
I wouldn't mind MUC.. :P
And certain routes in MUC could rly use it, such as SFO and PVG. But I think before MUC ever sees the B748i, LH is going to move some B744's down south..

I wonder if that is going to be the intention?

Make FRA and 748 base and remove the remaining 744s down to MUC? LH are refurbishing a small number with the new economy and first products so could be in prep for that maybe?



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9077 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 33626 times:
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Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 22):
LH are refurbishing a small number with the new economy and first products so could be in prep for that maybe?

A small number? 23 of 30 airplanes get the new F and Y class. So quite a big portion of the fleet. And the rest? Well, maybe that will be the end of the 7 other airplanes...  

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User currently offlinebavair From Germany, joined Jul 2011, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 33514 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 23):

A small number? 23 of 30 airplanes get the new F and Y class. So quite a big portion of the fleet. And the rest? Well, maybe that will be the end of the 7 other airplanes...

wilco737

Rumor is coming around that those planes will be used to service more touristic destinations which would help against the competition of Condor, AB and Air France KLM


25 Post contains images wilco737 : That rumour is couple months old and from 3 different positions I heard it is dead. So not gonna happen... wilco737
26 Ronaldo747 : What's about EWR? It's an *-Hub and the A380 cannot operate into EWR.
27 robffm2 : What makes an airport A388 or B748 ready? I guess the two (boarding) decks make the A388 special, but the B748 will be longer than any other plane in
28 nipoel123 : Only when the jetways allow it I suppose. At AMS we have these double jetways, and the rear one looks like it can serve an upper deck. I'm not sure a
29 trex8 : Anyone seen what the cabin configuration is?
30 Post contains images wilco737 : Looks like 8 F class in the front section of the airplane. Some C class seats upstairs and many many Y class in the back wilco737
31 AR385 : I believe FRA-EZE is a no brainer simply because the current 744 is full year round and Westound in Winter is a struggle for the lady. Last November,
32 abibus : Mex and eze and sin are the First destinations for sure the 380 Works well for th USA and latinamerica is Perfect for lh and the 748
33 stylo777 : says the people in network and revenue department, also considering the inability of the airport of GRU to get A380-ready.
34 CX288 : The first destination will be one where they can operate a daily rotation with a single aircraft, hence FRA-Destination-FRA within a maximum 22 hours
35 Semaex : Talking of; how is the schedule on the first aircraft? I heard somewhere that it is already fully painted. Will LH do cabin fitting by itself (LHT in
36 laca773 : Is the 748 going to be a premium heavy a/c?
37 N104UA : I remember hearing a few years ago they informed DEN Management that they were planning to bring the 748 there and DEN needed to move the roadway behi
38 stylo777 : not necessarily... of course, it would make things much easier, but looking at the EIS of the A380 they operated some rotations with the A380 and the
39 Post contains images wilco737 : Thanks for the info. Is that official now? Would be good to know. wilco737
40 Post contains images Jacobin777 : LH was on record a few years ago stating that ORD would be one of their B748i destinations. I wouldn't be surprised to see SFO as well (during the lo
41 airbazar : The Germany-India bilateral limits German carriers to aircraft of "747 size" and also a cap on seats. So not only won't LH be able to operate the A38
42 whales : Could we see it flying to JNB, as that has a mix of the 388 and the 744? Cheers William
43 gigneil : Correct. Also they mentioned the A380 a bit back as well, which facilitated the roadway move. All things told, the A340-600 probably also required it
44 stylo777 : unfortunately not...
45 Post contains images wilco737 : ALright, then I guess we all have to patient until it comes official. Thanks. wilco737
46 warden145 : I was just about to ask about that...has anyone heard anything from LH as to whether the A380's going to stay at SFO year-round or if they're going t
47 Post contains images wilco737 : This winter it is 744, summer again 388. Next winter? Who knows... Depends on the loads I guess. If they have enough bookings, then 388, otherwise 74
48 Post contains images 747400sp : Well, I wonder why!
49 _AA_777_MAN : Well LH was also saying a few years ago that ORD would be one of their A380 destinations as well. I don't think it makes sense to replace 2 744 fligh
50 jreuschl : Wouldn't Boeing just love that the first 748i destination would be their headquarters' home turf of ORD?
51 Post contains images warden145 : Thanks for letting me know just wondering, any idea on what date they're making the switch? On one hand, it's nice to see that at least one airline t
52 SUNRISEVALLEY : Assuming a OEW of 211.25t with a DOW of 225t LH should carry a 56t ( volume limited) load on any route up to about 14hr 30m. This should put any city
53 Post contains images wilco737 : Change to winter schedule. 30th October the 744 flies to SFO again. Not really no. Not a lot information revealed to the pilots yet (well, to the nor
54 ZKEOJ : I'd live to see LAX, SFO and/or SIN. These are my most frequent transit points, and we usually get the best fares with LH here in NZ. Funny, since LH
55 coffeebar : My bet is on TLV. Lufthansa holds the title of largest foreign carrier in Israel for nearly a decade, serving Tel Aviv with 19 weekly flights (!) from
56 Drerx7 : My money is on IAH as one of the first if not the first...fwiw they have painted 748i markings at Terminal D and the 748f and i have made several flig
57 EMB170 : Do you mean that they are doing so now but didn't think to previously, or that they used to but are booking away from TK? I was considering booking o
58 AR385 : Please explain to me: 1) The meaning of OEW 2) The meaning of DOW Now, I´m not saying the 744 is not within range, but that it is not probably the m
59 Post contains links coffeebar : [quote=AR385,reply=58]Do you mean that they are doing so now but didn't think to previously, or that they used to but are booking away from TK? I was
60 fraT : I have different information. Not sure how long ago your source gave you this info.
61 stylo777 : namely?
62 EddieDude : I agree with you. I think MEX will continue to be a 744 destination now that LH will launch MUC-MEX service. Nonetheless, I hope that in the not so d
63 SUNRISEVALLEY : My understanding of OEW is the weight of the aircraft with seats , galley's etc. installed. DOW is the OEW plus catering, potable water, crew, crew b
64 Post contains images bmacleod : If not for AC's codeshare 77W YYZ-FRA, YYZ would likely see LH 747-8i. Maybe if the pax demand on that route picks up?
65 airbazar : SQ and CX flew 744's between SFO and HKG for 20 years and the winds across the pacific are a lot stronger that what you encounter on FRA-EZE route. I
66 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Hey, don't blame the messenger here.. I wouldn't be surprised if CX sends their B748F to ORD from their current B744F. That being said, they probably
67 AR385 : There are many factors aside from the winds. I hear the level of cargo on the FRA-EZE-FRA flight is very important, plus the LF. SFO-HKG is 6927 mile
68 Post contains images airbazar : And SFO-HKG has no cargo? SFO-HKG: 6019nm FRA-EZE: 6197nm Yesterday's LH's FRA-EZE too 13:21. Yesterday's CX's SFO-HKG took 13:24. In the Winter you
69 SUNRISEVALLEY : perhaps they loaded too much cargo to start with. Maybe they got a revised weather forecast or possible weather conditions at the destination that re
70 Post contains images fraT : Well, as nobody is posting here the planning status, you might imagine that this information is kind of confidential
71 SUNRISEVALLEY : I always take a look at the scheduled time for the sector. I note that in the summer LH show 13h55m and in winter 14h05m for FRA-EZE. This provides a
72 earlyNFF : I could very well imagine, there is no such thing as first, second, next destination. In the beginning, they might do flights to different places who
73 earlyNFF : pretty academical calculations. There are many factors: tail tank or not, 396t or 385t MTOW, higher DOW (leaving less payload) for former mixed versi
74 SUNRISEVALLEY : True, but in the absence of anything better they are a start and can be modified if needed. They are better than flaying around in the dark.
75 N1120A : I would think that the performance + added capacity of the 748 would make it a great candidate for MEX
76 airbazar : LH just announced MUC-MEX in addition to FRA-MEX. That's a near doubling of capacity to MEX, for LH.
77 VC10er : When LH flew to GIG, did they use a separate ac or did GIG as a tag? I could see the 748i to GRU then tag GIG. It would fill every seat and put GIG do
78 earlyNFF : Back in the seventies VCP was a tag in the GIG flight, later GIG was a tag on the GRU flight, before GIG was cancelled. Don´t worry, they have GIG o
79 Lufthansa411 : I have heard from some of my contacts within LH that one of the preferred ideas on the table is having the 748i act as a bridge aircraft between winte
80 airbazar : I'm sure that will happen regardless. LH already does that on some of their Summer 744 routes, where they continue to fly in an A340 during the early
81 Post contains images RayChuang : I think a very likely route for the 747-8I: FRA-SFO. SFO is a VERY popular destination from FRA, and tickets on this route during the "low" season in
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