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User currently offlineBlueJet2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 3 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

Hi All,

Tried doing a quick search but wanted to ask here - Qantas only has the A-330 at JFK now, right? And it comes in from LAX... but how does it get to California from Australia? A-330's don't have the range to do it direct, do they? Sorry in advance if this is an ignorant question...

I miss Qantas' 744s at Kennedy.

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User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2434 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

Qantas A332 to JFK:

QFA25 AKL-LAX
QFA107 LAX-JFK

QFA108 JFK-LAX
QFA26 LAX-AKL



Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
User currently offlineviveAF From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 198 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

According to Amadeus, it's a change of guage flight - transpac by B744, LAX/JFK by (locally based??) A332

Here is the FLIFO for the QF107 on 13 SEP:

DOQF107/13SEP
* OPERATIONAL FLIGHT INFO * QF 107 -1 TU 13SEP
SYD LEFT THE GATE 1020
TOOK OFF 1050
ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL 0700 LAX
LAX ESTIMATED TIME OF DEPARTURE 0930
AIRCRAFT LANDED 0657
ARRIVED ON STAND 0708
LEFT THE GATE 0926
TOOK OFF 0940
ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL 1730 JFK
JFK AIRCRAFT LANDED 1726
ARRIVED ON STAND 1736

* 1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO * QF 107 -1 TU 13SEP
SYD 1015 TU 744
LAX 0645 TU 0850 TU 332
JFK 1715 TU
CONFIGURATION-
744 P 14 J 52 W 32 Y 255
332 J 36 Y 199

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User currently offlineviveAF From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 198 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4313 times:

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 1):
Qantas A332 to JFK:

QFA25 AKL-LAX
QFA107 LAX-JFK

QFA108 JFK-LAX
QFA26 LAX-AKL

aha!!! just found that one!!!  

QF025 routes MEL/AKL/LAX with A332...

oops  


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2606 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4267 times:
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Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 1):
Qantas A332 to JFK:

QFA25 AKL-LAX
QFA107 LAX-JFK

QFA108 JFK-LAX
QFA26 LAX-AKL

Almost.

The aircraft begins its journey as QF141 SYD-AKL. It ends its journey back at SYD after flying QF114 AKL-SYD.



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3213 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

And don't worry it looks like the 744 wil be back, unless the BNE-LAX flight goes A380... which it can't
for a bit at least till more 380s are delivered.

Reason: the LAX-AKL is suppose to being cut or going to Jetstar, but NYC has been confirmed to be staying. It would make sense to send the smaller aircraft unless there is a very strong demand for First out of NYC. The cut to the 744 service was made during the JFK... so who nows... the demand for first may have picked up in whichcase you may even see the 380...

If AKL for whever reason stays though... get used to the 330 until the 787 comes along.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4818 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 6):
Reason: the LAX-AKL is suppose to being cut or going to Jetstar,

That was a rumour prior to the announcement about QF changes. HKG and BKK from LHR were the destinations dropped along with EZE. AKL-LAX is a good flight for QF they earn quite a bit from freight and of course have the aircraft to operate to JFK. If



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User currently offlineelmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 5):
Reason: the LAX-AKL is suppose to being cut or going to Jetstar, but NYC has been confirmed to be staying.

Sounds like a (nearly) perfect route for an AA 777 if US-NZ routes are covered by the QF-AA JSA.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 7):
Sounds like a (nearly) perfect route for an AA 777 if US-NZ routes are covered by the QF-AA JSA.

If they're having problems that make them think that going with Jetstar is a solution, putting a three class American 777 on the route would be the opposite of a solution.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2965 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 7):
Sounds like a (nearly) perfect route for an AA 777 if US-NZ routes are covered by the QF-AA JSA.

AA has said it before, and said it again. They do not intend on flying to Australia (without specifically saying NZ, but seriously...) QF has also stated that there will be no additional cuts to their international services past what happened in August, at least for the next while. The JV documents as they stand also restrict AA from flying these routes (apparently), so I really do not think you'll be seeing this happen.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 1):
QFA25 AKL-LAX
QFA107 LAX-JFK

QFA108 JFK-LAX
QFA26 LAX-AKL
Quoting CXB77L (Reply 4):
The aircraft begins its journey as QF141 SYD-AKL. It ends its journey back at SYD after flying QF114 AKL-SYD.

Just to clarify in case anyone is confused:

QF141 SYD-AKL
QF25 AKL-LAX
QF107 LAX-JFK

QF108 JFK-LAX
QF26 LAX-AKL
QF114 AKL-SYD

Quoting viveAF (Reply 3):
QF025 routes MEL/AKL/LAX with A332...

QF25/26 MEL-AKL-MEL is operated by a 737 so it's another 'change of gauge' flight



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User currently offlineelmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
If they're having problems that make them think that going with Jetstar is a solution, putting a three class American 777 on the route would be the opposite of a solution.

I am under the impression that the downgrade from a 747 to an A330-200 has far more to do with the fact that there is a no suitable aircraft (i.e. aircraft with enough range) to fly AKL-LAX. Until 2007(?) the flight was operated with a 747, a 777 still presents a drop in capacity over that (both in F and J).

American will start reconfiguring its 777s in the next three years when they introduce their new premium cabins, I'd wager that a reshuffling of the current low-density configuration will lead to a bigger Y cabin (and the introduction of a Y+ cabin).

Quoting qf002 (Reply 9):
AA has said it before, and said it again. They do not intend on flying to Australia (without specifically saying NZ, but seriously...) QF has also stated that there will be no additional cuts to their international services past what happened in August, at least for the next while. The JV documents as they stand also restrict AA from flying these routes (apparently), so I really do not think you'll be seeing this happen.

What American says and does are two different things. I agree with you that we won't see AA metal in the South Pacific in the near term, however American has also said quite recently that it is (would still?) consider flying to Australia. Also, there is no restriction on American serving Australia - as far as I know. American replacing Qantas on LAX-AKL (or DFW-SYD), or even relaunching SFO-SYD would have no material effect on Qantas - other than freeing up aircraft. With metal neutrality, it does not matter who serves the route, and it really comes down to which carrier has the most suitable aircraft.


User currently onlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5635 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 11):
. Also, there is no restriction on American serving Australia - as far as I know. American replacing Qantas on LAX-AKL (or DFW-SYD), or even relaunching SFO-SYD would have no material effect on Qantas - other than freeing up aircraft. With metal neutrality, it does not matter who serves the route, and it really comes down to which carrier has the most suitable aircraft.

While there is no restriction on AA flying to Australia under the Australian/USA air service agreement, it would invalidate Australian approval of the QF/AA Joint Business Agreement which was issued on the basis that AA did not serve Australia. Yes they could put in an application to amend the JBA, but it would put it back into play.

The agreement, publicly, contains no mention of metal neutrality, because it was not applied for, QF will operate all flights under the JBA. Again they could apply to amend it, but it seems to me that if there was any chance within the next 5 years, the term of approval, that AA wanted to operate its own metal to Australia/NZ it would be in their application originally.

AFAIK USA approval of the JBA is still pending.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2965 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 11):
American has also said quite recently that it is (would still?) consider flying to Australia.

There was a big explosion of rumors after a very vague article/interview was published -- after which AA came out and very specifically stated that they have no intention at all to serve this region. (See this article). Though I of course agree that corporations change their minds all the times (and airlines seem to be the worst at it!)

Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 11):
there is no restriction on American serving Australia - as far as I know.
Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 11):
With metal neutrality, it does not matter who serves the route, and it really comes down to which carrier has the most suitable aircraft.
Quoting gemuser (Reply 12):
The agreement, publicly, contains no mention of metal neutrality, because it was not applied for, QF will operate all flights under the JBA

   It's pretty well a solid sign that AA is not coming down under any time soon -- why would they? AA would just drive pax right away from QF/AA out of AKL anyway, and most QF customers actually have a very negative attitude towards AA (mainly due to a poor domestic USA experience), so it would be quite detrimental IMO.


User currently offlinecbrboy From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 13):
most QF customers actually have a very negative attitude towards AA (mainly due to a poor domestic USA experience)

That would be a very poor domestic USA experience and a very very negative attitude to AA.

Anyone want a four-hour AA MD80 flight where even if you are a One World Emerald premium frequent flyer booking two months ahead you can't seat the family together and you have to pay on board for the junk food?

Care to slum it in an AA Admirals Lounge where you buy the drinks and food?  


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2965 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

Quoting cbrboy (Reply 14):

           


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

I would have thought JFK would have been a very big F and J market, especially with regard to round the world F tickets. Every time I arrive in LAX I hear people in F and J complaining about how they are about to head over to AA... I doubt that this route is able to handle and A380 and with no 744s keeping F much longer, I suspect this route will stay A332 or maybe 787 but with the way QF is going could be a good decade before they recieve any!

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25126 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1751 times:

Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 11):
the downgrade

Term is downgauge

You can downgrade frequency or a passenger, however a capacity shift is a change in gauge.



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