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New TPA-ZRH Service!  
User currently offlineTPADave From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 62 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13154 times:

Finally some progress on the int'l front at TPA! First the Cuba flights, now a ZRH flight 2x weekly from Edelweiss. I must admit ths was not the first route that I would have thought of, but hey I'll take it! I believe Edelweiss already operates out of MCO, will this be in addition or will they discontinue the MCO route? Can't wait to see it in person!

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/tourism/article1191683.ece

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User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13145 times:

Great News... And good luck to Edelweiss Air.

DALelite



They loved to fly and it showed..
User currently offlinemptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13003 times:

Totally unexpected, but welcomed nevertheless. I wish it was a carrier within an alliance like * or SkyTeam. Hey, beggars can't be choosers, I suppose.

Good luck to Edelweis!!


User currently offlineBRJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12917 times:

"...the first-ever nonstop service between Tampa and a major European air hub, Lopano said."

BA and Gatwick not considered a major European air hub?


User currently offlineTPADave From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 62 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12723 times:

Quoting BRJ (Reply 3):
"...the first-ever nonstop service between Tampa and a major European air hub, Lopano said."

BA and Gatwick not considered a major European air hub?

I noticed that too...strange huh? I was also thinking about Condor and their flights to FRA a while back. While it wan't on LH, it does count as a flight to a major European hub. I guess he's trying to pump up the announcement as best he can.


User currently offlineMontanaFL From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12630 times:

Looking at the Edelweiss website it appears they fly to Tampa only. In fact Tampa is the ONLY city to be served in the US by Edelweiss.


I miss those DL L-1011's
User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12450 times:

Does this airline have code share with Swiss Air? can Passengers make connections with Swiss aiir?


avi8
User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4940 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12386 times:

Quoting BRJ (Reply 3):
"...the first-ever nonstop service between Tampa and a major European air hub, Lopano said."

BA and Gatwick not considered a major European air hub?

The sentence states "a major" European hub, not "THE major European hub". Using "a" indicates it could be one of many different hubs like LHR, FRA, CDG, etc.



Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
User currently offlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12304 times:

Wow, totally unexpected route.

And that for a small European country with not that many citizens. I guess Edelweiss is a charter airline, thus not having any feeder flights? I have no clue how they think to fill it twice a week, but good luck to them.



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineaviationmaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2479 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12304 times:

Edelweiss Air had seasonal flights to MCO this summer and also used to fly to SFB and MIA a while back.

Quoting avi8 (Reply 6):

Does this airline have code share with Swiss Air? can Passengers make connections with Swiss aiir?

Since Edelweiss Air is a sister company of SWISS, all their flights are operated in cooperation with them. While this flight is basically a scheduled charter flight, passengers can also make connections when booked on LX's allotment.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12265 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 7):
The sentence states "a major" European hub, not "THE major European hub". Using "a" indicates it could be one of many different hubs like LHR, FRA, CDG, etc.

First-ever?

Anyway, some do not consider England part of Europe, but a group of islands in the sea.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5489 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12127 times:

Hopefully it doesn't arrive at night like it did at MCO.

Curious how this will create 265 jobs in Tampa...


User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12085 times:

Nice! Finally TPA has another transatlantic flight. Like many new routes into TPA, I do worry about its success. Hopefully it works out.

User currently offlineBRJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11962 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 10):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 7):The sentence states "a major" European hub, not "THE major European hub". Using "a" indicates it could be one of many different hubs like LHR, FRA, CDG, etc.

First-ever?

Anyway, some do not consider England part of Europe, but a group of islands in the sea.

lol nice.

but that's the point I was trying to make. It's hardly the first-ever, but symantics will let you get away with just about anything.

nevertheless, always good to see new routes being added to any city! I would think this will work well with cruise traffic out of TPA.


User currently offlinejr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11767 times:

Quoting MontanaFL (Reply 5):
Looking at the Edelweiss website it appears they fly to Tampa only. In fact Tampa is the ONLY city to be served in the US by Edelweiss.

When does/did their once-a-week summer flight to ANC end? Will that be back next year?



I've flown on 9V-SPK.
User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11474 times:

Quoting TPADave (Thread starter):
I believe Edelweiss already operates out of MCO, will this be in addition or will they discontinue the MCO route?

The MCO service was a short, one-season only service using a plane that would of otherwise gone to Tokyo.



a.
User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11449 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 10):
Anyway, some do not consider England part of Europe, but a group of islands in the sea.

Or should I say Great Britain, as England is but one island (effectively).



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6380 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11303 times:

Quoting BRJ (Reply 3):
"...the first-ever nonstop service between Tampa and a major European air hub, Lopano said."
Quoting TPADave (Reply 4):
I was also thinking about Condor and their flights to FRA a while back. While it wan't on LH, it does count as a flight to a major European hub.
Quoting type-rated (Reply 7):
The sentence states "a major" European hub, not "THE major European hub". Using "a" indicates it could be one of many different hubs like LHR, FRA, CDG, etc.
TPA's first nonstop to a major European hub would have been with National in the late '70s.. Granted, I'm fuzzy on whether it was FRA, ZUR or AMS.

Anyhoo, great news.



Edit to add: This will have premium seating? Interesting.

[Edited 2011-09-15 14:33:53]


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11118 times:

Quoting TPADave (Thread starter):
Finally some progress on the int'l front at TPA! First the Cuba flights, now a ZRH flight 2x weekly from Edelweiss. I must admit ths was not the first route that I would have thought of, but hey I'll take it! I believe Edelweiss already operates out of MCO, will this be in addition or will they discontinue the MCO route? Can't wait to see it in person!

Edelweiss last flight to MCO was 2 Saturdays ago. As someone else mentioned it was originally supposed to fly to NRT, but due to the earthquake in Japan they flew this summer to MCO. The loads were decent out of MCO.

Anyone know the days and times yet?


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10991 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 16):
Or should I say Great Britain, as England is but one island (effectively).

Great Britain is still technically just the one major island. If you said "The UK" it would include Northern Ireland.  



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10939 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 17):
TPA's first nonstop to a major European hub would have been with National in the late '70s.. Granted, I'm fuzzy on whether it was FRA, ZRH or AMS.

National had 2 DC-10s a week TPA-AMS-FRA in their May 1, 1979 timetable.


User currently offlineTPADave From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 62 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10273 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 18):
Anyone know the days and times yet?

According to the Edelweiss website, Tuesday and Friday beginning 5/25/12. It will go down to 1x weekly for the winter.
Equipment is their brand new A333
TUE
WK 5 Dp:TPA 7:30pm
Ar: ZRH 10:45am

WK 4 Dp: ZRH 1:20pm
Ar: TPA 5:40pm

FRI
WK 5 Dp: TPA 6:45pm
Ar: ZRH 10:00am

WK 4 Dp: ZRH 12:45pm
Ar: TPA 5:05pm


User currently offlinebillreid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 981 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10204 times:

TPA also had MP, obviously AMS is not a major hub being only three times the size of TPA and having 17 times as many airlines! And yes London is in Canada. And FRA is in South America. Joe shoots from the hip with his loose cannon mouth.

ZRH on a charter is a huge tactical mistake with Looppie Loopano trying to save his neck with token service!

This kills any chance for FRA service going forward because going after that would kill the Edelweiss service that is highly dependent upon German demand. You don't ask one airline in and get another immediately afterwards to kill it. What is the reaction of BA. They never got 500K for single day ops, maybe Loopie should give them $3,500,000 marketing or they are going to be very pissed.

How does MCO feel about TPA first taking two BA rotations last spring and now the Edelweiss? Be careful for what you wish for, wouldn't be surprised to see BA leave if a price war erupts. Edelweiss only has four acft so if BA gets pissed then there is not enough capacity to adjust.........

Remember MP failed at TPA.
Remember DE failed at TPA.
BA was on the ropes without the AA alliance. Where does this leave BA, will they move to reduce fares to the EU with conx on AB?

Further will DL, UA, AA, US not adjust fares with daily hub flow? If so the once a week service with twice in peek is doomed!

If TPA wants to be a real International Airport it needs LH, KL, AF, not once weekly charters!



Some people don't get it. Business is about making MONEY!
User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10073 times:

Quoting billreid (Reply 22):
If TPA wants to be a real International Airport it needs LH, KL, AF, not once weekly charters!

MCO NOW only has two of those, FLL has NONE, And a ton of other airports dont have those caeeiers but they are true international airports. Look at FLL, look how much international passengers they carry and they only have Condor 3X weekly. MCO also only recently got AF and somewhat LH. Yet were they not an international airport before? I think your definition here is a bit messed up.. TPA IS a true international airport because it has international flights to LGW, ZRH, HAV (albeit charter), Canada and a few Caribbean destinations. Seems international to me.


User currently offlineTPADave From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 62 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9904 times:

Quoting billreid (Reply 22):
ZRH on a charter is a huge tactical mistake with Looppie Loopano trying to save his neck with token service



Why the personal attack on Lopano and overall negativity? His job is to bring in new service. So far so good. Like I and others have said, AF or LH would be great but it is what it is. At the end of the day its up to individual carriers to take the risk so I wouldn't call Lopano the one with his neck out.

Quoting billreid (Reply 22):
This kills any chance for FRA service going forward because going after that would kill the Edelweiss service that is highly dependent upon German demand. You don't ask one airline in and get another immediately afterwards to kill it. What is the reaction of BA. They never got 500K for single day ops, maybe Loopie should give them $3,500,000 marketing or they are going to be very pissed.



That isn't necessarily true. LH serves a more business focused clientele, while Edelweiss is leisure driven. Coupled with the fact they have two separate route structures I think they could complement each other. Who knows, maybe if this service is successful enough it will push LH to launch a service of its own with more frequency and the Edelweiss service will be dropped. I'd consider that a win-win for both TPA and LH. As far as BA goes, that thought did cross my mind too. Guess we'll have to keep watching.

Quoting billreid (Reply 22):
How does MCO feel about TPA first taking two BA rotations last spring and now the Edelweiss? Be careful for what you wish for, wouldn't be surprised to see BA leave if a price war erupts. Edelweiss only has four acft so if BA gets pissed then there is not enough capacity to adjust.........



What does TPA care what MCO thinks?! BA already serves both cities with 777 service and has done so for years. I don't think TPA is in danger of losing it over a 2x weekly charter carrier that barely competes for the same customer base.

Quoting billreid (Reply 22):
If TPA wants to be a real International Airport it needs LH, KL, AF, not once weekly charters!



I'm sure Joe would appreciate the insight!


25 727LOVER : Because he is an SRQ fan, as am I, and he hates TPA. Times look great!! Why did the MCO flight operate so lste? WHY exactly would those carriers serv
26 flymia : They would not with MIA 20miles south. But he does have a point. FLL is the 14th largest international gateways yet does not have a major European ai
27 TPADave : Ah, now it becomes clear haha. That's too bad cause I really like SRQ and think the airports complement each other rather than compete directly on th
28 LONGisland89 : Are you smoking crack?! Last time I checked Zurich is in Switzerland. What makes you think this service depends on German demand? That's like saying
29 LONGisland89 : Since Edelweiss only has two A330s they are slightly confined to when they can schedule long-haul flights. The MCO flight was operated by the A332 th
30 727LOVER : Although I sort of understand, Im not the biggest RSW fan, ha ha. Are you referring to aircraft space or customs, because I KNOW two widebodies can f
31 srqmuc : Damn it! It's a step in the right direction but I'd prefer MUC over ZRH, SRQ over TPA and LH/UA/etc. over WK! Anyways, good luck to Edelweiß!!
32 Post contains images ual757 : As long as it doesn't clog up the security lines and empty concourses when I'm flying out of there, then a nice addition
33 PhilInBRN : This service could be quite succesful given the pretty big Swiss community in the Tampa-Sarasota-Fort Myers area. And the Germans in the area might us
34 SASMD82 : Great Britain or United Kingdom include England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. And don't forget the Channel Islands as well as the Isle of Ma
35 ASA : I had the idea that the territories you described there together form the United Kingdom only. Great Britain, on the other hand, is the just the BIG
36 NASCARAirforce : Yes Ontario CYXU They partner with Lufthansa. When they checked in counters at MCO, they used the DLH codes to check in. A good portion of Air France
37 TPADave : Oh clearly more than 2 widebodies can fit on F at once simply on the basis of space. But I was wondering both about customs but also taking up US/AA
38 727LOVER : Ahhhhh.....yes, but remember, they can use the ex-UA gates at E for RON and besides, arent these intl departures gone before 8?
39 LONGisland89 : Yes, I am aware that they partner with Lufthansa as well as SWISS but to say the route is dependent on German demand is bogus. Of course there will b
40 Post contains links PITrules : Looks like they had nonstops to AMS, ORY, and FRA all at the same time: http://www.departedflights.com/NA050179.html This should clear things up http
41 TVNWZ : Actually, more like what SFB feels. I always thought there was a business in attracting the charters from SFB to TPA. It really is not that much long
42 Viscount724 : No, if you check the timetable it was only TPA-AMS, continuing to FRA.
43 AZA330 : Nice news for TPA. I was wondering if this new service could bother BA's TPA-Europe "monopoly" in any way. I think BA still offers a better service in
44 aviationmaster : The ground handling was done by LH. Edelweiss Air flights do not carry the LH code; they are usually in cooperation with LX, their sister airline. Th
45 billreid : Damn straight, Any airport that suggests staff all need to fly in First on trips over two hours are out of touch elite-ists, when we are all facing a
46 TPADave : I completely agree with you on that point. While Joe has said some stupid things, I don't remember seeing that in the press. Any quote available caus
47 727LOVER : Interestingly, I was telling a friend that LTU used to operate L10s in here but he doesnt believe me. Can someone confirm that? I have a pic somewhere
48 LONGisland89 : Your sarcasm really shows your ignorance. I don't care what "data" you can amass, WK's business model is not dependent upon connections. My source at
49 Post contains images aviationmaster : The only reason why WK flew to MCO this summer was due to the NRT flight getting canned after the earthquake ealier this year. TPA or MCO, I doubt WK
50 ZRH : This is not quite correct. Edelweiss is not a sister company of SWISS but SWISS owns it 100%. It is the holiday (charter) airline of SWISS Internatio
51 PlanesNTrains : How are "white house" and "spending the public money so recklesslly" GOP talking points? I would think it could apply to any administration from any
52 TransIsland : Your comparison with JFK-LHR and Irish demand suggests that you are less familiar with European geography than you are with crack. Have you ever look
53 TPADave : I guess it depends on your philosophy of the role of govt. This isnt the place for a political discussion and i was surprised that he would use his e
54 billreid : Nah. I just don't like to hate someone that is convenient target with a bulls-eye on his back! LOL Yes it is. There is not enough demand to fill a fl
55 LONGisland89 : Well, If you look at the comment that I was addressing, It was stated that a USA-Switzerland flight was supported by German demand. Switzerland and G
56 dstc47 : Good luck with this, TPA is a great airport which deserves better European links. Not too sure what this is the most viable one but here is hoping.
57 Post contains images 727LOVER : Then they should be throwing incentives at UA for a nonstop to SFO !
58 Post contains links Viscount724 : Only about 75,000 Swiss nationals live in the US based on the latest Swiss government figures. Canada has a far higher percentage of Swiss residents
59 TransIsland : How about the inconvenience of Ireland and England being seperated by water, and the fact that everyone in Ireland, no matter where in Ireland, will
60 mah4546 : Yes, they are. Germany has grossly unfair taxes for flying, which sends many passengers across the border to Switzerland. Miami-Zurich is a huge loca
61 Viscount724 : However, when they do that they have to pay their fares in very expensive (currently) Swiss Francs which I would guess in many cases would more than
62 Post contains images LONGisland89 : My JFK-LHR analogy involving Irish demand was pulled from by butt. How about someone stating a US-AMS flight is dependent on Belgian demand. Is that
63 ZRH : That's wrong. Switzerland is not part of the EU (fortunately) but it IS part of the Schengen Treaty. There are no border controls between Germany and
64 TransIsland : My bad. When did Switzerland join, because I'm fairly certain that last time I arrived in GVA by air from BRU, I had to go through immigration.... bu
65 TransIsland : Nah, more like saying flights in and out of MST depend on German traffic, or flights in and out of EWR depend on traffic from New York. Oh, wait... t
66 PlanesNTrains : I enjoy contrasting this: With the later part of your reply: Anyhow, my point was lost on you anyhow, and I have zero desire to engage in a political
67 TPADave : Whatever, I was simply responding after being questioned by you. I still maintain poltics weren't pertinent to this original topic. K?
68 ZRH : Since December 2008 is Switzerland formally part of Schengen. Now the airports like GVA or ZRH have Schengen and non-Schengen gates. At ZRH all A-Gat
69 billreid : Both these statements are absolutely CORRECT. It is amazing the number of people who use "made up on the spot statistics." Swiss traffic to TPA is no
70 Viscount724 : There are still border checkpoints at surface crossings between Switzerland and France and random checks take place since there are still limits on i
71 LONGisland89 : When I found out about Edelweiss launching this route 2 weeks ago, I had the same reaction that many of you had, including some of billreid's beliefs.
72 SandroZRH : If only you knew how wrong you are. Edelweiss is VERY popular with German pax. We do quite a bit of flying for WK and you'd be surprised how many Ger
73 LONGisland89 : I respectfully agree with your input. Indeed, I do not have such credentials as being an FO at LX (for example) and as a result it appears to some as
74 phatfarmlines : I'm not going to get involved in the above catfight whether this will be viable to TPA or not as many valid points for and against service are made, b
75 NASCARAirforce : I agree. I think VX as it is growing will add TPA flights from SFO and maybe LAX too.
76 billreid : Please tell me, explain from an analytic perspective how the aircraft will be filled. I am not understanding where all the passengers will come from.
77 jonathanxxxx : People from Tampa going to Europe that are looking for the cheapest option, A few Germans crossing the border for a good deal, Swiss vacationers, Swi
78 billreid : You musta hit post twice? Never figured out why that happens... FLA outbound is about 20% of market to northern Europe likes of Germany, etc. That tr
79 bjorn14 : Plus if I'm not mistaken package operators have much more influence in Europe than the USA.
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