seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4731 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8870 times:
Quoting OldAeroGuy (Thread starter): The sales gap between the two models is only 140. I suspect the 777 will pass the 747 sometime in 2014.
That seems optimistic for the 747.
Assume 20 747 sales/year and 120 777 sales/year, and the moment will happen in 2013.
And the 777 has a much higher-volume future. The day of 777X EIS will be the day there is no longer any reason to order a passenger 747. Freighters are nice but they are not going to help the 747 catch up.
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ukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 341 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8810 times:
Am I correct in believing that the 777 has also never been involved in a fatal air accident?
If I recall correctly, aside from the Heathrow crash just short of the runway the 777 has not been involved in any major air accidents over the last 15 years. Pretty incredible considering how many flight hours these birds have amassed collectivley.
If I'm wrong feel free to jump in and correct me (though I doubt an invitation to do so will be required!)
cosmofly From United States of America, joined May 2009, 649 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8638 times:
I believe the Chinese has 12 pending "government approval". Eva is on record saying that it will order 10. So it is probably safe to assume at least another 30 firm orders in the pipeline.
If Boeing launches 777X, launch customer will order 100.
As is, the 748i can only find niches. I wonder if Boeing can gather enough orders to justify launching a 748 combi. Current KLM 744 combi seats 275 pax. 748i stretch adds 50 seats to 325. With some galley optimization, there is a chance the number can be up to 350 pax. It will be a very good option with no equals for routes that are both dense in pax and cargo.
The 747 is still the only 1.5 deck plane. I have been on record promoting adding seats using OSU space to make the 748i to seat up to 450 pax in real life configuration, thus reducing CASM substantially when compared to today's 400 pax count. If the perceived challenges can be overcome, the 748i can truly be a choice between the future 777X and a future A389.
Yes, I may not like the fact that they are being used as 747 replacements, or that they will out sale my favortie airliner, as the best saling wide body, or the fact that Fed Ex order them in place of their A380 order, but I will tell any body, that the 777 is the safest airliner everbuilt. As a 747 fan, I should not say this, but it is the truth. The only thing the 77W lack is a 0.85 cruising speed, and I believe Boeing is going the fix that with the 777X.
PS: Well, I guess the L1011/DC-10 size 767 has left it's mark on the world.
jtdieffen From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 178 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7871 times:
I'm confused as to where the number came from...at the end of August, the 777 had 1269 firm orders according to the Boeing O & D website. I believe that 12 more have been posted this month, bringing the total to 1281. What am I missing?
timpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 411 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7830 times:
The 777 has changed long haul aviation forever, its place passing the 747 is well deserved. As much as I love the 747 series, the 777 is also one of my faves. Flown on them on segments from just an hour on Vietnam Airways up to 14+ hours on Alitalia. Its a big, beautiful beast of a plane, almost a 737 fuselage diameter powerplant hanging on each wing.
CXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2436 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7750 times:
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This is great news! I can't wait for the inevitable moment when the 777 surpasses the 747 in total sales.
That said, I love the 747 too, and I think it's a pity that despite the introduction of the 748i, sales of the 747 series has been slowed to a trickle. It will be a sad, sad day when the last passenger 747 rolls off the production line, even if it will still continue to serve as freighters.
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 12): Although, where do you get 25 years? Is that when the estimated 777 production surpasses total 747 production? EIS for the 777 was 1995. It is only 16 years young.
I do believe OldAeroGuy said that the 777 has been in service for 25 fewer years than the 747
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6313 posts, RR: 56 Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2735 times:
Quoting jtdieffen (Reply 14): I'm confused as to where the number came from...at the end of August, the 777 had 1269 firm orders according to the Boeing O & D website. I believe that 12 more have been posted this month, bringing the total to 1281. What am I missing?
Good question; I find the same numbers on Boeing's website.
Still, very impressive numbers for the 777 and it probably will pass the 747 in a few years.
I've had many great flighs on the 777 as welll including flighs on all airlines (47 so far) with direct delivery from Boeing. Some flights have been short like HKG-CAN on CZ and some very long like DXB-LAX on EK.
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ukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 341 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2735 times:
Quoting 747400sp (Reply 11): but I will tell any body, that the 777 is the safest airliner everbuilt
It's certainly a fantastic thing for Boeing and kudos to the 777 for it's phenomenal safety record.
I'm not pouring cold water on this achievement but it may even be that such a record is statistically improbable. Relative to the aviation industry as a whole, when so many aircraft have been built and flown and so many hours have been spent in the air. After all, a fatal accident does not have to be the result of a fault in the aircraft itself and most of the time is not.
Anyway, for anybody out there with a fear of flying the the 777 should give you a great deal of confidence based upon this amazing track record.