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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20757 times:
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As the previous thread is becoming too long with 250+ replies, something not good for our fellow members without fast speed internet connections, we are opening the thread # 12

Link to the previous one

Brazilian Aviation News 11 (by LipeGIG Jun 17 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Recent Developments:

- Airport developments remain unclear
- LA to add seasonal services to FLN, GIG and GRU
- JJ decided to reduce GIG-FRA/LHR, to ground 2 A345
- EK said to operate A380 (DXB-GRU)
- IB decided to drop MAD-FOR-REC


US-Brazil market 03/2011
Source: DOT

JJ
MIA-GIG 95.8%
JFK-GRU 92.8%
MCO-GRU 92.6%
MIA-GRU 91.5%
JFK-GIG 91.0%
MIA-BSB 86.7%
MIA-MAO 86.2%
MIA-CNF 57.2%

GIG-JFK 95.7%
GRU-JFK 94.0%
CNF-MIA 93.1%
GIG-MIA 89.8%
GRU-MIA 87.6%
GRU-MCO 85.1%
MAO-MIA 80.3%
BSB-MIA 79.2%

charter
REC-MIA 94.6%
MIA-REC 96.4%

KE

LAX-GRU 81.4%
GRU-LAX 69.3%

AA

MIA-GIG 90.4%
DFW-GRU 87.8%
MIA-SSA-REC 87.7%
JFK-GIG 87.3%
MIA-GRU 86.8%
JFK-GRU 84.4%
MIA-BSB 82.5%
MIA-CNF 82.1%
DFW-GIG 79.9%


CNF-MIA 88.2%
GRU-DFW 87.2%
GIG-MIA 85.8%
GIG-JFK 85.1%
GRU-MIA 84.8%
GIG-DFW 82.3%
GRU-JFK 80.0%
SSA-REC-MIA 75.0%
BSB-MIA 61.0%


US

CLT-GIG 76.9%
GIG-CLT 73.3%


DL

ATL-GRU 82.7%
ATL-GIG 80.8%
JFK-GRU 76.1%
ATL-BSB 74.9%
DTW-GRU 63.6%

GRU-ATL 77.1%
GIG-ATL 76.2%
GRU-JFK 70.3%
GRU-DTW 56.4%

UA

IAH-GIG 81.2%
IAH-GRU 80.4%
EWR-GRU 80.0%
ORD-GRU 77.5%
IAD-GRU-GIG 76.6%

GIG-IAH 79.7%
GRU-IAH 79.6%
GRU-EWR 78.9%
GRU-ORD 75.5%
GIG-GRU-IAD 74.1%


New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
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User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 20854 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
US-Brazil market 03/2011
Source: DOT


Those numbers show JJ as the most benefited player of the US-Brazil market. That proves again that this market is leaded Brazilian passengers.

As I told in the last thread, G3 is waiting too long to take its part of this market.

[Edited 2011-09-16 08:08:20]

User currently offlineCNForever From Brazil, joined Apr 2011, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20766 times:

Great numbers.

CNF had good results. Best AA route northbound. Impressive 93% on TAM.
The exception still being the TAM´s MIA-CNF leg that has no connectivity and a horrible schedule.
At least TAM changed in August this schedule to allow some connections in CNF.
It proves that the majority of passengers wants red eye flights. Same applies for BSB-MIA on AA.



Rgds


PS. Does anyone have some new info about the rumour of Delta in CNF ??


User currently offlineBNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 20710 times:

Does anyone have an update regarding the potential Kenya Airways NBO-GRU route that was discussed in the following link about 2 months ago?: Kenya Airways To Serve Sao Paulo (by incitatus Jul 19 2011 in Civil Aviation)

I scanned through the last Brazilian thread but could not find any sort of update. So, I apologize if it was discussed there. Is this route unlikely to come about?


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 20613 times:
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Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 1):
Those numbers show JJ as the most benefited player of the US-Brazil market. That proves again that this market is leaded Brazilian passengers.

No doubt. JJ takes full advantage of being the sole "Portuguese" speaker airline. I believe many passengers pay the premium to fly with them (and because of extra bag allowance).

Quoting CNForever (Reply 2):
PS. Does anyone have some new info about the rumour of Delta in CNF ??

I believe they were looking into what they can do in 2012 but giving the fact they still need to further develop DTW which do not seems so good performer on low season.

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 3):
Does anyone have an update regarding the potential Kenya Airways NBO-GRU route that was discussed in the following link about 2 months ago?: Kenya Airways To Serve Sao Paulo (by incitatus Jul 19 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Right now i don't think this development will happen. Nothing has been said since that moment.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 20287 times:

AZ will fly an extra FCO-GIG weekly frequency for a 3-week period between late January and early February as follows:

AZ 670 FCO GIG 14.40 00.10 - Su - 332
AZ 671 GIG FCO 05.45 20.00 - Mo - 332

The other 5 frequencies remain unchanged. Guess AZ is collecting excellent results on the route.



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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 19994 times:

Passaredo requested new flights yesterday:

PTB 2328 > PLU 07h15 GIG 08h15 > Erj145 > DAILY
PTB 2329 > GIG 09h00 PLU 10h00 > Erj145 > DAILY

PTB 2330 > PLU 10h50 GIG 11h50 > Erj145 > DAILY
PTB 2331 > GIG 12h40 PLU 13h45 > Erj145 > DAILY

PTB 2332 > PLU 15h25 GIG 16h30 > Erj145 > DAILY
PTB 2333 > GIG 17h15 PLU 18h15 > Erj145 > DAILY

PTB 2334 > PLU 18h45 GIG 19h45 > Erj145 > DAILY
PTB 2335 > GIG 20h15 PLU 21h20 > Erj145 > DAILY



Please insert a "smart" joke here.
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8808 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 19916 times:
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GOL Linhas Aéreas Inteligentes S.A. and Aerolineas Argentinas have signed a MOU in order to begin code-sharing and link frequent flyer programs:
http://www.mzweb.com.br/gol2009/web/.../GOL_Aerolineas_RI_clean_final.pdf


User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 19764 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
GOL Linhas Aéreas Inteligentes S.A. and Aerolineas Argentinas have signed a MOU in order to begin code-sharing and link frequent flyer programs:
http://www.mzweb.com.br/gol2009/web/...l.pdf

This G3-AR partnership seems to end like today's "Supeclássico das Américas": the Brazilian winning only at home.

We can expect AR leading the international network of that agreement and even resuming the Argentina-Brazil-Europe service.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3699 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 19757 times:

Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 8):
We can expect AR leading the international network of that agreement and even resuming the Argentina-Brazil-Europe service.

I really don't see it.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8808 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 19722 times:
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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 9):
I really don't see it.

AR just can't compete with the major carriers. Their flights are always late and their strategy is non-existent. With AR and G3 potentially code-sharing, they would dominate the AEP-GRU route with 9 daily flights; whereas 4M only operates 2 daily flights between Argentina and Brazil, (AEP-GRU 2x daily). It would be great if the Argentine ANAC would grant 4M a few frequencies. LAN wanted to start COR-GRU a while back, not happening!


User currently offlinejpyvr From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19605 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
No doubt. JJ takes full advantage of being the sole "Portuguese" speaker airline. I believe many passengers pay the premium to fly with them (and because of extra bag allowance).

From what I understand, the extra baggage allowance is something that the Brazilian government mandates for ALL airlines selling international tickets that begin and end in Brazil, not just JJ. I'm not absolutely certain that is the case but I've had it explained to me that way several times, and I know I've flown Air Canada YVR-YYZ-GRU on the return portion of a round-trip ticket with bags well above the normal AC allowance - and haven't been charged excess baggage.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3699 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19610 times:

Quoting jpyvr (Reply 11):
From what I understand, the extra baggage allowance is something that the Brazilian government mandates for ALL airlines selling international tickets that begin and end in Brazil, not just JJ. I'm not absolutely certain that is the case but I've had it explained to me that way several times, and I know I've flown Air Canada YVR-YYZ-GRU on the return portion of a round-trip ticket with bags well above the normal AC allowance - and haven't been charged excess baggage.

AFAIK, the 2x 32kg allowance is bilaterally agreed with North American countries, but unilaterally imposed on European, Middle Eastern and African countries, which means that every passenger has the same rights on North America-Brazil segments, while on the other countries' carriers the passenger must originate in Brazil.
The allowance on South American carriers is lower.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 19395 times:
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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 12):
AFAIK, the 2x 32kg allowance is bilaterally agreed with North American countries, but unilaterally imposed on European, Middle Eastern and African countries, which means that every passenger has the same rights on North America-Brazil segments, while on the other countries' carriers the passenger must originate in Brazil.
The allowance on South American carriers is lower.
Quoting jpyvr (Reply 11):
From what I understand, the extra baggage allowance is something that the Brazilian government mandates for ALL airlines selling international tickets that begin and end in Brazil, not just JJ.

But with many passengers under top categories, the top customers can carry amazing 4 bags for free on JJ.



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User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 19379 times:

JJ has the nicest in-flight product on these routes.

User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 19379 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 14):
JJ has the nicest in-flight product on these routes.

Well.. i'm not so sure about that... specially if u get a 763. I'll tell u I just flew MIA-GIG in one of them and there was nothing nice about that...

Rgs,

Neo


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8557 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 19360 times:
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Does anyone know when CADE are expected to release their ruling on the LAN takeover of JJ?

I have asked on a couple of threads, but no one seems to know when it is due.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3699 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 19395 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 16):
Does anyone know when CADE are expected to release their ruling on the LAN takeover of JJ?

I have asked on a couple of threads, but no one seems to know when it is due.

Nobody knows, because there is no deadline or forecast.


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8557 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 19361 times:
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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 17):
Nobody knows, because there is no deadline or forecast.

OK, thanks for that... so they don't actually have a timeframe by which they have to complete their review? and there don't seem to be any hints/leaks or rumours in the media to suggest whether they are close to making any decision?



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 19036 times:
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AD is adding 3x daily service VCP-LDB (eff Feb-2012) and 2x daily GIG-POA service.

JJ is moving... now selling J seats on GRU-MAO as an experience. Not a different service, just the seat.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 18):
OK, thanks for that... so they don't actually have a timeframe by which they have to complete their review? and there don't seem to be any hints/leaks or rumours in the media to suggest whether they are close to making any decision?

Now they have as a new law was approved this week. 240 days.



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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18967 times:

Have Brazilian carriers made any progress on allowing foreign passengers to purchase tickets on their websites? When I was there a few years ago it was impossible to purchase a ticket online without a CPF. That is really going to be unfortunate for 2014 WC and 2016 Olympics if the domestic carriers do not get with the program.

User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8557 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 18883 times:
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Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
Now they have as a new law was approved this week. 240 days.

240 days from when the law was passed? or from when they started their review of the proposed takeover?



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User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18775 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 20):
Have Brazilian carriers made any progress on allowing foreign passengers to purchase tickets on their websites? When I was there a few years ago it was impossible to purchase a ticket online without a CPF. That is really going to be unfortunate for 2014 WC and 2016 Olympics if the domestic carriers do not get with the program.

I did buy already some years ago from Germany with a German CC a ticket GRU-SSA-GRU without problems.


User currently offlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1019 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 18510 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 20):
Have Brazilian carriers made any progress on allowing foreign passengers to purchase tickets on their websites? When I was there a few years ago it was impossible to purchase a ticket online without a CPF. That is really going to be unfortunate for 2014 WC and 2016 Olympics if the domestic carriers do not get with the program.

They really haven't. You should go around by using a travel site like Expedia. Some sites will allow you to use it, but it is very strict to which CC you will use. I believe GOL has an option now for foreign CC.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 18496 times:

Hi there,
We are having a conversation about the mistreatment of some pax when entering some EU countries from Turkey, mainly local police waiting at the gate and checking passports and such.
What happened to the Brazilian policy of fingerprinting US citizens, and what did it achieve? Brazilians being treated better or different than any others now, since they took that stance?
Would love to hear from you on our thread, Thanks.
Turkish Aviation October 2011 (by TK787 Sep 30 2011 in Civil Aviation)


25 LipeGIG : From the date of the law, for new transactions. That happen during a short period of time.
26 TK787 : Why? Could you please explain? How did it change? Thanks.
27 LipeGIG : They realized that the procedure was not only against Brazilians but any national of any country that it was not on the visa waiver list. Also, if th
28 andrefranca : They did! but you gotta look for the "visa verified" lol!
29 andrefranca : IMHO it will take aaaages for us to get into the VWP, Argentina and Uruguay were members in the past, but due to economic crises in the early 2000's
30 CNForever : Any news regarding the US-BR market in April ??
31 LipeGIG : Good numbers. I'm trying to put in order. Best performer again.... JJ GIG-JFK service, 98.2% Load Factor. Probably that's the reason it was the only
32 CNForever : Excellent Lipe ! Thank you very much ! Great numbers !! As you said, many predictions made here ...
33 LipeGIG : I don't like to predict the future as many variables can lead to substantial changes. But the fact is that, TAM have tried to run different routes an
34 Post contains links and images SCL767 : TAM finalizes order for 32 A320 Family aircraft, including 22 A320neo Fantastic news as TAM has finalized its agreement for 32 Airbus A320 aircraft, w
35 varig md-11 : Very interesting thread I just read in the business magazine "Exame" (paper edition so no link, sorry) that they take it for certain that JJ will be l
36 SCL767 : JJ operates into CDG 12x weekly, (GRU-CDG daily and GIG-CDG 5x weekly). During 2010, LAN originally planned on operating SCL-GIG-CDG instead of SCL-M
37 airbazar : I doubt that very much. For starters MAD offers no connections to Asia which is the strong point of both FRA and MUC. Second, MAD's hot and high char
38 SCL767 : TAM operates into LHR 10x weekly where certain connections to/from Asia are available, and hopefully BA will add more destinations to Asia from LHR i
39 Post contains images andrefranca : As a JJ employee, we can already feel LA's influence, it's becoming heavier, mainly on the financial side!
40 mah4546 : Under the conditions set by Chilean authorities, LATAM is not allow to join Star, because it is not allows to be in the same alliance as Avianca/TACA
41 SCL767 : Both LAN and TAM have shared a common goal before agreeing to the combination. Both LA and JJ wanted to become major international carriers; however
42 kiwiandrew : That's true, but of course until CADE release their findings we don't actually know whether the combined airline ( if the merger is approved by them)
43 SCL767 : Brazil has already signed an Open Skies Treaty with the U.S. Other Brazilian carriers could operate into the U.S. if they wanted to since there are a
44 airbazar : The discussion was about TAM leaving FRA in favor of MAD. It's true that LHR can offer just as many connections but LHR has that pesky little problem
45 SCL767 : Neither LAN or TAM will leave FRA; especially given business travel between FRA and both Brazil and Chile. LAN has been operating into FRA for decade
46 kiwiandrew : Does the open skies agreement include GRU and are there slots available at GRU at suitable times? If LATAM is approved I would think that the minimum
47 Post contains images incitatus : TAM is really known for flying almost nowhere! Their list of longhaul destinations is pretty poor.
48 SCL767 : Does either AV Brasil or G3 have wide-body a/c? IIRC, G3 recently retired its fleet of B-767s and Avianca Brasil does not have any wide-body a/c, (Av
49 incitatus : I heard their revenue per available seat mile is terrible compared to what Delta gets out of ATL. For starters, CLT has close to no business traffic
50 SCL767 : It should be noted that obtaining slots at GRU is nearly impossible. Chile and Brazil have full Open Skies. However, as directed by the TDLC, LA/JJ w
51 LipeGIG : News - AA to delay in two weeks the use of the 772 on JFK-GIG (lack of pilots ?) - LH first FRA-GIG packed on F/J (Oct 30) - LA asked for a seasonal S
52 SCL767 : What Brazilian carriers have the equipment to operate both GRU-MIA and GRU-JFK daily? JJ only operates 6 daily flights between GRU and the U.S., (GRU
53 SJOtoLIR : JJ GRU-MEX 7x weekly is due to start on October 30 with 332 aircraft. . Copa Airlines is also aiming towards Star Alliance. Thus, LATAM, CM and [AV-T
54 SCL767 : From December 19th through February 25th, LAN will operate the SCL-GRU route 5x daily non-stop, (B763 2x daily, A-320 3x daily). Three additional fre
55 rafabozzolla : The distance between JJ's hubs (GRU/GIG) and MAD is relatively short, so I don't think that MAD's altitude is an issue at all.
56 andrefranca : Looking on another side: the treatment brazilians receive from spanish immigration authorities is bad and was even shown on television during the pas
57 airbazar : Come on, they're a relatively new long haul airline. Give then some time. I don't think so. There's a reason why there's virtually no service to Asia
58 Neo : Haha... here comes mr. knows it all. Just simply looking at the current flights and codeshares to Asia (ex-Australia and NZ) it's easy to realize tha
59 airbazar : I think he's right. The vast majority of S.America-Asia traffic transits thru N.America. There's no denying that. It's simple math. The 2 largest car
60 incitatus : I like reality too and what you have is not all it. Because of winds and time zones, coming from Japan to Brazil via North America is almost always f
61 Post contains images varig md-11 : Thanks for the info. A relaunch of SCL-CDG via GIG would be a dream come true You're right for the connx to Asia. For the rest I think you're wrong :
62 airbazar : I wish. TP has various code shares with Asian carriers thru various points in Europe but TP does not serve any city East of Moscow.
63 Neo : As far as Brazil is concerned that's not true... the vast majority of Asian traffict to and from brazil flights through Europe and Middle East, not t
64 Neo : When you are flying AA it sure is.. I'll take extra 4 hours in LH any day over flying that long with AA. Also, when u have such long flight legs as t
65 incitatus : That depends. If I have to fly coach with no lounge access and no other perks, I'd prefer LH. But the return from NRT leaves at lunch time on LH and
66 Post contains images andrefranca : talking about Asia, how's SQ loads from GRU? they fly direct to SIN with a stop in BCN, you don't need to leave the plane which makes things easier!
67 Dellatorre : Seriously?? How can you think that after 10 hours sitting on a Y seat? I would definitely prefer to get out and stretch my legs walking in the termin
68 Post contains images andrefranca : Well for me I wouldn't care, I'm still 22!
69 airbazar : He didn't say that you can't. He simply said that you don't need to. I have flown the JFK-FRA-SIN route with SQ and they gave you a choice of either
70 Post contains links SCL767 : Air New Zealand is keen on operating a direct service between Auckland and São Paulo-Guarulhos with the Boeing 787-9. However, the B-787-9s may rende
71 LipeGIG : It's not on the Brazilian side. I believe the demand will come from USA regulators. Interesting to see that my view of lack of premium traffic is sha
72 SCL767 : From Brazil there is a lack of premium demand, however from Chile there is premium traffic on LAN to/from Asia via AKL on CX, and also to/from Austra
73 Neo : Well those that put a high value on their comfort do. Besides you have good connecting schedules through Europe, i.e. LH and you even get to fly on t
74 Neo : Well this must be a big bummer for NZ, since they've been meaning to launch an AKL-GRU nonstop for long. They can still fly to GRU with a stop over i
75 SCL767 : LAN already offers one-stop connections between AKL and AEP, EZE, GIG, GRU, LIM, MVD, etc. via SCL. LAN will also operate SCL-AKL non-stop with the B
76 LH506 : Could NZ schedule their flights in a way, that they connect some of the *A carries arrivals/departures (LH; LX; TP; SQ; TK; CA) in GRU to connect on
77 LipeGIG : I agree and believe it is the only profitable way. You will connect some passengers but not all, and only in one direction. But non-stop there's no p
78 SCL767 : LAN steadily developed the SCL-AKL-SYD route and the flights are experiencing high LFs. This is why QF is dropping SYD-EZE and launching SYD-SCL. Thu
79 airbazar : How can that be? GRU and Brazil are a much larger economy than SCL/Chile. I'm going to guess that a big percentage of passengers flying LA from SCL a
80 Post contains links SCL767 : LAN Cargo's CEO, Cristian Ureta, recently gave an interview to Bloomberg about the "enormous potential" that LAN views of cargo demand into Brazil, wh
81 LipeGIG : Yes, they are. But in my view, it's the type of passenger and it seems NZ knows that: mostly tourists, foreign language students, few businessmans. B
82 Dellatorre : This is also a blow to the B787 program. NZ was counting on the aircraft to fly non-stop to Brazil and other Latin American destinations. For instanc
83 airbazar : That was my point. They couldn't make AKL-SIN work back in 2006 and SIN is a major *A hub and a very popular stopping point on the way to Europe. Mea
84 SCL767 : AA has decided not to operate MIA-MAO next year; thus TAM will be the only carrier on the MAO-MIA route.
85 C010T3 : Where was that announced?
86 LipeGIG : Fully agree with you. It seems NZ pays the price of the geographical position while EK takes full advantage of theirs ! South America-Australia/NZ ma
87 SCL767 : No announcement. However it appears that the flights have been zeroed out and are no longer bookable. Let's see if they reappear...
88 Post contains links SCL767 : Due to the ruling by the TDLC that states that LATAM cannot be in the same alliance as AvianceTaca, Lufthansa and the Star Alliance would like LATAM t
89 kiwiandrew : I can't see a decision on alliances being made until after the takeover is approved (assuming that it does get approval) . So far I have seen no hint
90 mah4546 : 100% false. MIAMAO is still scheduled to begin in summer 2012. Whether AA decides to not go ahead is a decision that will not be made until then summ
91 airbazar : It's interesting and growing, despite the obvious lack of flights. But it's not just Australia/NZ. It's some of East Asia too. GRU-AKL-SIN/HKG/PVG ar
92 AF086 : LAN Argentina requested new services to GIG as follows: EFF 01JAN12 4M 4560 320 EZE 1600 GIG 2010 DAILY 4M 4561 320 GIG 2100 EZE 2330 DAILY 4M applied
93 Post contains links SCL767 : It will get approval, stipulations may come along with the approval of the CADE. Brazilian regulators will also consider the intense competition that
94 Post contains images oksman : I´m crossing my fingers!
95 LipeGIG : LH is resuming today FRA-GIG service using D-AIFD, shall land by 19:00 local time. AFAIK First and Business full (but it is hard to say it's because o
96 Post contains links SCL767 : It's great that LAN will soon operate three daily flights year-round into GIG. However, it's interesting to note that the proposed timings of 4M4560/
97 LipeGIG : JJ8002 can be rescheduled but not JJ8013 as it is designed to provide connections and it is a return flight. First flight was almost full but the fli
98 incitatus : Aren't you comparing apples to oranges? EK makes AKL-Europe work because at DXB it distributes passengers to multiple European destinations, e.g., MA
99 LipeGIG : Some news KL resume services AMS-GIG last Tuesday with 772. AV begin the 3x weekly service BOG-GIG today with A319. BA increased services on LHR-GIG t
100 Post contains links SCL767 : TAM celebrates its 10 year anniversary in the Argentine market, where TAM operates 10 daily flights between Brazil and Argentina and 2 daily flights b
101 CNForever : Lipe, Nothing from May yet ?? Regards,
102 airbazar : My point was that NZ couldn't make AKL-Europe work with 1-stop so no chance in hell they'll make AKL-GRU work.
103 LipeGIG : In parts, data released today JJ CNF-MIA 85.9% JJ MIA-CNF 77.0% AA CNF-MIA 84.6% AA MIA-CNF 81.0% JJ MIA-BSB 89.8% JJ BSB-MIA 89.6% DL ATL-BSB 72.3%
104 CNForever : Thank you again Lipe. Regards.
105 wingedtaurus : How is TAM doing in the GRU-MEX? I expect them to thrive!
106 Dellatorre : This data refers to the Brazil-US market only. So no MEX.
107 wingedtaurus : Agree, this is a new question. A.
108 Post contains links SCL767 : Tam and Lan May Double Fleet, Fly to Asia in a Decade TAM's Vice President, Mauricio Amaro, recently gave an interview in which he stated that LAN and
109 incitatus : MAO - economy too small BEL - economy too small, probably best geographic location FOR - no room for significant expansion NAT - economy way too smal
110 SCL767 : These two airports seem logical. However, I don't think that TAM intends to start building a new hub in the near-term, but maybe three or four years
111 andrefranca : I don't really agree on the the "MAO economy being too small to handle", MAO has tax free zone industry remember? (HUGE Samsung, Yamaha, Honda etc et
112 incitatus : The size of the Manaus economy is artificially boosted by manufacturing - of product assembly type. Product assembly generates little travel but in t
113 SCL767 : I agree and believe that LA/JJ will build up GIG as a primary hub before TAM opens a new hub. Not only should JJ increase domestic flights into GIG,
114 Post contains links SCL767 : Starting on December 5, 2011, Cathay Pacific Airways will offer seamless connections between HKG and both GIG and GRU via JFK with the new code-share
115 Dellatorre : It is quite curious why it took so long for such logical code-share to be implemented.
116 jpyvr : Brazil's Federal Police arrested 16 people this month and have charged them with defrauding the government's social insurance department (INSS) of at
117 Post contains images andrefranca : Typycal, Brazil la la la la lala la lááá, LOL
118 notaxonrotax : People, just arrived at Sao Luis-MA for the 1st time in my life. Interesting that Sao Luis has 2 runways compared to larger airports like Recife that
119 LipeGIG : It seems that now El Al will suspend their TLV-GRU route eff. Dec 14. They requested the removal of the frequencies yesterday to ANAC. lack of interes
120 airbazar : What exactly is a seamless connection, compared to any other connection?
121 notaxonrotax : Yep…….. There was definitely some paving going on, but it really looked like an extension though……….not just maintenance. They were outside
122 C010T3 : It's already gone. HOTRAN requests do not always coincide with real operations.
123 RG787 : I'm familiar with this airport and I don't think extension is the case. They indeed have 2 runways, but one of them was on very bad conditions not to
124 Post contains links C010T3 : The TAM-LAN merger is the agenda fort he next session of CADE on the 14th: http://www.cade.gov.br/upload/PAUTA%20506%C2%AA%20CADE.pdf Now that I know
125 SCL767 : Next year will be a very interesting year for SCL. QF is launching SYD-SCL, PU is reentering the domestic market, UA will most likely return to SCL,
126 andrefranca : Direct? THANK GOD!
127 Summa767 : Avianca (Colombia) will add 4 new weekly A319 flights between BOG and GRU. It currently operates 7 weekly in A330, with another 7 operated by AV Brasi
128 LipeGIG : It replaces EZE-SYD. Plus 3x weekly BOG-GIG. 3 daily Colombia-Brazil with AV and 1 daily JJ GRU-BOG. First i would say they need to make BOG-GIG dail
129 santos : Not sure if these are the usual summer/winter changes for TP... But for next year, the schedule has been updated: Lisbon – Natal Service reduces fro
130 winGl3t : NAT is TAP's weakest destination in Brazil as it relies heavily on Europeans tourists coming on vacations, VFR from europeans living on the Northeast
131 Summa767 : I trust that this will come too, but a new destination is already he aim for 2012.
132 notaxonrotax : Hahaha, and there I was thinkin´ that there may be an aviation-reason for it! Sao Luis is horribly windy at times……… But no, it´s all about a
133 santos : VCP increase must be due to lack of slots at GRU TP still offer a free coach transfer from VCP to GRU
134 LipeGIG : Interesting changes. I would expect some changes on all European operators to Brazil for S12 season. Brazil have the capacity to produce some growth,
135 andrefranca : Rumors from CM board that they might drop REC and take SSA, and that they'll add frequencies to Brazil, what do you think? Finally the time has arrive
136 C010T3 : Drop REC? They don't even fly there!
137 andrefranca : I know but they were intended to...
138 SJOtoLIR : AV BOG-GIG 3x weekly just began on November 04th and the airline wants more frequencies to Brazil soon! . From November 24th, CM got 21x weekly new f
139 LipeGIG : In fact the mix of higher salaries together with a stronger currency is taking people to travel abroad. If CM is able to offer seats REC/SSA to the U
140 C010T3 : I already knew that Brazil and Panama had agreed on an amendment to the bilateral agreement. It was obvious that the frequencies were destined to CM,
141 andrefranca : they are! I paid 1300 USD for MAO-MGA-SJO-SDQ-PTY-MAO..... JJ charged me 1700 USD MAO-MIA return on low season!!!!!! great news!
142 Post contains links SCL767 : According to the Supreme Court in Chile, TAM may have to leave the Star Alliance very soon and join the oneworld alliance. Both LAN and TAM will most
143 Post contains images andrefranca : That will be a kick on JJ 's balls! I'm curious to see LOL
144 SCL767 : Interestingly, both IAG and LAN-TAM have shown an interest in acquiring TAP Portugal...
145 Post contains links kiwiandrew : http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/1...ustryMaterialsAndUtilities&rpc=401 The merger between Chilean airline LAN LAN.SN and Brazilian counterpart
146 andrefranca : TP survives on its brazil's routes! they'd be a huge feeder to JJ.... IAG is already becoming an annoying "old swiss air", wanting to buy everything
147 SCL767 : TP already "feeds" JJ's network, TP also feeds its European and African networks with its routes to Brazil and TP is the dominant carrier operating b
148 Summa767 : AV's management have not given an indication, just that the aim is to add a new destination. It looks like we will see further changes in February as
149 SCL767 : It's very impressive to have three daily flights between BOG and GRU operated by AV/O6 in such a short period! AviancaTaca clearly dominate the route
150 AF086 : Any indication of a frequency boost on the 3x weekly BOG-GIG service?
151 andrefranca : Yeah they've been feeding for a while, I meant they would feed even more! needless to say JJ wouldn't be able to complete against TP IMPOV, look at T
152 airbazar : With what planes and what slots? The 2 most lucrative Brazil-Portugal markets are LIS-GRU and LIS-GIG. Both GRU and LIS are operating at full capacit
153 LipeGIG : Since the day 1 i raised the point that this will take JJ out of Star Alliance. Now with the agreement made by DL, the only potential restriction to
154 LipeGIG : Transaero will resume the seasonal weekly service Moscow-Rio de Janeiro service eff. Jan 02 UN563 744 1------ DME 1530 GIG 2330 UN564 744 -2----- GIG
155 AF086 : That's great news. Most people thought the first season was a failure but guess it wasn't. Hopefully, in the near future, GIG gets year-round service
156 Summa767 : Funnily enough AV applied for 4 weekly frequencies for BOG-GIG at last week's Aerocivil public audience. Not sure of the out one yet. I guess these w
157 LipeGIG : TAAG will resume daily service to Brazil - 4x GRU + 3x GIG (weekly operations) AD celebrates 3 years of operations and 15 mm customers. CM celebrates
158 SJOtoLIR : As of December 15th, CM PTY-GIG goes from 12x to 14x weekly operations. Two daily flights !
159 AF086 : LH will increase FRA-GIG from 5x to 6x weekly. EFF 26MAR12 LH500 - FRA 1015 1735 GIG - xWe - 343 LH501 - GIG 2110 1420 FRA - xWe - 343 And that after
160 LipeGIG : I think this helps to explain: 10 Largest Airports in Brazil - Nov/2011 1- GRU - 2.475.669 2- CGH - 1.393.245 3- GIG - 1.304.456 4- BSB - 1.221.509 5
161 AF086 : That will be a milestone for GIG. It will be the first Middle East carrier there since Iraqi Airways left decades ago.
162 wingedtaurus : AM kept MEX-GRU 9X week with 777. Guess the demand is there, how is TAM doing so far and what do they fly? A.
163 Post contains images LipeGIG : In fact they even plan to run a little more flights during January. I don't know how TAM is doing in terms of yields, but fares are too low and they
164 AF086 : I'll try my best! Hopefully this EK service will open the doors for asian carriers at GIG. QR is strong rumoured to begin GIG but other key players a
165 tommytoyz : This is ripe for development. Way over due actually. It is ridiculous right now, coming from the north and when traveling to the north east of Brazil
166 Dellatorre : The chances of SQ opening a new route to GIG are close to none. Apart from QR, I don´t see a single Asian carrier willing to venture into GIG.
167 LipeGIG : Amazes me that no one tried that. Fares for example on SLZ-XXX-MIA costs above US$ 1500 (Y) which for a flight with A318 or A319 doing SLZ-BOG and th
168 incitatus : It is not overdue. It is happening. BSB has AA(MIA), JJ(MIA), DL(ATL), CM(PTY), TA(LIM) MAO has JJ(MIA), CM(PTY) with both AA and DL having plans to
169 jmbarros12 : Just heard some rumours here in RAO about Passaredo going for an all-ATR fleet, dumping all the ERJ145´s. Does anyone heard something like that? Chee
170 winGl3t : That's true.They bought the -600 version. Just don't know when they are going to formally announce the orders. The first Atr-72 (it will be the -500,
171 Post contains links winGl3t : TAM suffered major delays today due to strike of their handling workers claiming for raise on their salaries. According to Infraero almost 50% of the
172 andrefranca : They do deserve that!!!!! JJ 's salary plan is weak, last year they did a kind of internal research to see whether they could raise salaries, but eve
173 LipeGIG : AA seems happy with the 772 deployment to Rio. JFK-GIG will continue with 772 now up to April 2nd. Before was expected to be 763 after Feb 9. Smart...
174 AF086 : KLM will increase their GIG services from 3x weekly to 4x next IATA winter: EFF 28OCT12: KL705 AMS1040 – 1930GIG 772 x135 KL706 GIG2140 – 1155+1AM
175 winGl3t : Regarding G3 I can assure you they aren't interested in increasing flights to Chile. Actually one of the 2 daily flights will be seasonal instead of
176 Post contains links jmbarros12 : Hey guys, just found this picture in forum about to - Leite Lopes (RAO / SBRP), Brazil">RAO development, I wanted to share with you! It´s a low pa
177 LipeGIG : Very good. The year did not begin and we have 3 upgauges/upgrades confirmed. LH, AA and KL looking to increase their presence in Rio ! And one week t
178 Post contains links SCL767 : Does GOL plan on operating the daily POA-SCL service seasonally? LAN and TAM recently presented their proposal to swap slots at Guarulhos Airport to
179 AF086 : UA will upgrade their IAH-GIG services to the 77E as follows: EFF 29SEPT UA128 IAH 2105 0905+1 GIG - DAILY - 77E (CO) UA129 GIG 2055 0515+1 IAH - DAIL
180 LipeGIG : Another upgauge/upgrade and the year has just begin !
181 wingedtaurus : How many pax for GIG in 2011? Will it take CUN? Best A.
182 incitatus : That will happen easily as CUN will have grown about 5% and GIG about 20%.
183 Post contains links robffm2 : Did not find it somewhere else, so here we go: TAM signs code-share with Turkish Airlines: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...avd/2012/01/05/07.xm
184 incitatus : One odd bit of Emirates' presence in GIG is that in one swoop it became the largest foreign airline there measured by seat supply, larger than America
185 C010T3 : That is only true if you count the passengers that fly EZE-DXB and DXB-EZE.
186 Post contains links incitatus : A significant share of seats DXB-GIG and GIG-EZE seats will be taken by DXB-EZE passengers. But the fact remains that Emirates is the foreign airline
187 C010T3 : It sounds better if you say that it is the foreign airline that has the most seats departing weekly from GIG. I'm sure that AF and AA have more seats
188 airbazar : Are you saying that AF, AA, etc don't offer connections at GIG and that 100% of their passengers are O&D? Some seats are always blocked for conne
189 winGl3t : G3 POA-SCL-POA was not supposed to be seasonal. It was scheduled to work year round. Gol have a late night hub in POA that caters flights from GIG to
190 C010T3 : Their services stop at GIG. Traffic to other destinations is the responsibility of other carriers. It's not the same case. The fare difference betwee
191 Post contains links SCL767 : Well G3's operations into SCL have never been consistent... Any of the slots which are currently utilized by LAN and TAM at GRU. LAN Argentina has be
192 AF086 : COPA requesting the brazilian authorities permission to fly PTY-REC as follows: EFF 23JUN12 CM239 PTY 1522 REC 0041 - B73G - MoThSaSu CM240 REC 0141 P
193 LipeGIG : They requested to Brazilian ANAC only 11x weekly. That could mean a potential EZE-GRU-XXX flight in the weekend ? Also they will reduce (as expected)
194 AF086 : Thanks Lipe! Time flies... CM is becoming a latin-american version of TP serving many brazilian cities. TP serves GIG, GRU, CNF, BSB, POA, SSA, REC,
195 AF086 : When nobody was looking, Condor loaded into the system flights to GIG: a new destination in their network as follows: EFF 05NOV12 DE1080 - FRA 0940 -
196 SCL767 : LAN will continue to operate two daily flights into GIG on a year-round basis (LA750/LA751 and LA772/LA773). Currently, LA784/LA785 are the only seas
197 AF086 : That Lipe said that that LA784/5 will be reduced to 3x weekly as expected. LA's presence in GIG is very small compared to the size of Rio's economy a
198 SCL767 : LAN's Winter 2012 schedule isn't even finalized as yet. Also, let's not forget that LAN will eventually have a much larger presence at GIG due to LAN
199 LipeGIG : Rio become more of a global desire, and airlines are looking into it. If we have more 20,000 hotel rooms, we would see at least more 30-40 long haul
200 jmbarros12 : I´ve flew GRU-IAH-DEN / DEN-IAD-GRU with UA/CO in the first week of the year and all flights had a 100% load factor. Very impressive.
201 Post contains links SCL767 : By offering 17 weekly flights between SCL and GIG during that period; LA is actually increasing services into GIG compared to the same period last ye
202 SJOtoLIR : It's a very interesting fact ! Nonetheless, REC has not been loaded to any reliable GDS source yet. Furthermore, there's no any official announcement
203 LipeGIG : In fact they did the same. AA added a daily service to SSA/REC, a daily service to CNF, a daily service to BSB, daily JFK-GIG and 3x weekly DFW-GIG.
204 andrefranca : well, we know that right now AA is in shambles, I don't think they have the energy to fight CM at this moment, maybe when they get their things in or
205 SCL767 : Also, AA MIA-MAO 4x weekly with the B738 will launch on November 16, 2012. Indeed, JJ's growth has been impressive over the past couple of years! Whe
206 RAGAZZO777 : A LIM-GIG-LIM by LP is long overdue. TACA Perú proved there was a market for this route and I still wonder how LP is currently operating LIM-IGU bef
207 SJOtoLIR : During the same filter period, Condor will also upgrade DE FRA-REC from 1x to 2x weekly and DE FRA-SSA goes from 2x to 1x weekly. . I would debate yo
208 airbazar : I know that. I'm not debating that fact. I'm debating the number of available seats for sale. What I'm saying is that just because the flight stops t
209 C010T3 : They do not exactly block the seats. They offer attractive class fares for those passengers. An airline would have no problem filling a whole plane w
210 LipeGIG : You can debate, no problem. Just to be more clear, i was trying to show what CM added recently. They were already flying PTY-GRU 14x , PTY-GIG 7x and
211 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : I see the point now: we were commenting about the extra flights during the last five years in Brazil. I think that technically CM, JJ and AA increase
212 LipeGIG : Very same situation happen with SQ SIN-BCN-GRU service. Only 10% of passengers from SIN goes to GRU, which means SQ relies on SIN-BCN and BCN-GRU to
213 SJOtoLIR : When Copa Airlines began the PTY-MAO 3x weekly service back in 2006, the response of TAM consisted on JJ FOR-BEL-MAO-MIA 7x weekly with 320. The serv
214 incitatus : Are you kidding? Between flying AA in a premium cabin, and flying CM which really has no premium cabin, there is no doubt the preference of the major
215 SJOtoLIR : Copa Airlines now gets three daily flights heading to Sao Paulo Guarulhos. The airline drastically started to modify their schedules in deep South Am
216 LipeGIG : You're thinking on premium cabin but 90% of seats worldwide are not premium. You and most of us here know what is better, but CM focus on a different
217 incitatus : If AA is charging a lot for its flights, AA is taking the benefit. With capacity constrainted at GRU, most flights on US carriers are full. I have fl
218 SCL767 : Because the LIM-IGU route is profitable for LAN and LAN Perú will continue to operate the route! Also, beginning in July, LAN Perú will increase fr
219 LipeGIG : Today's (Monday) flights show the opposite. AA flights GRU-MIA are in general showing huge availability. One of them sold just 2 Business class seats
220 SCL767 : Starting on July 2, 2012, LAN will operate three daily flights between SCL and GIG, (one daily direct service and two daily non-stop services). Both
221 incitatus : If you try the other direction, most flights on all carriers from the US to Brazil are full. Aircraft get scheduled for roundtrips, so unless the oth
222 wingedtaurus : Things are looking good for GRU-MEX. With the arrival of TAM to the route last year, 222,514 pax flew between the two biggest cities in LATAM. If thin
223 LipeGIG : JJ will again increase GIG-CDG back to 6x weekly by March end (March 25). Flights are packed , that's true, but still, fares are far from MIA or JFK.
224 SJOtoLIR : Update: UA IAH-GIG 7x weekly will now operate the 772 daily from October 28th instead. However, UA IAH-GIG will deploy the 772 on Saturdays from Hous
225 LipeGIG : AV applied with ANAC to increase BOG-GIG from 3x to 5x weekly They probably will also deploy the 772 a little before due to Rio Oil & Gas expo tha
226 C010T3 : Actually, that's been updated. It starts next week.
227 oksman : Does anyone know when it is going to be announced in which alliance JJ and LAN are going to stay? And if they decide for OW, untill when it is going t
228 RAGAZZO777 : That will be announced next month and, so far, everything suggests that LATAM will go to Oneworld.
229 oksman : And what about earning miles? Do they have some contractual commitment to * for some time after the announcement? I am curious because I´m flying CA
230 Post contains links PPVRA : TAM and GOL lose market share to smaller airlines in January 2012 compared to January 2011: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/mercado...mercado-domestico-d
231 LipeGIG : Top 10 Airports in Traffic - Brazil - JAN/2012 ( +/- % over JAN/2011) GRU - 3.010.508 (+9%) GIG - 1.629.690 (+23%) BSB - 1.361.191 (-1%) CGH - 1.316.5
232 Rafabozzolla : It's interesting to see how CNF is consistently outperforming SSA and that didn't use to be the case. Taking into consideration that Belo Horizonte h
233 incitatus : CNF is probably one of the most interesting potential destinations in South America for Air France. The problem nowadays is that European and America
234 Rafabozzolla : Why do you think Air France in particular?
235 winGl3t : AF was interested in other brazilian destinations but not to CNF, although it is the 3rd largest market for Europe travel from Brazil and there is spa
236 ULMFlyer : Just saw the G-V PR-OGX parked on the ramp at the beginning of T2 at GIG (with what looked like another G-V next to her, but whose reg I didn't catch)
237 CNForever : AF would be a good option to capture a portion from the traffic to Europe and probably all the CNF market to Asia and ME. CNF nowadays is linked with
238 PPVRA : TAM just announced the new 77Ws will be going to MIA, that will be freeing up a couple of A332s. Does TAM already have a plan for these two A330s? If
239 tonytifao : Does TAM still operate the 763 on CNF-MIA? Could they go to a A332?
240 CNForever : Yes,they still operating the 763 three times a week. Freeing up some A332, is not impossible to have them in CNF and BSB flights.
241 744lover : I always questioned myself why is JJ so conservative on new routes. Couldn't they venture into new routes like GRU - JFK - NRT or GRU - DFW, GRU - AT
242 winGl3t : JJ will focus on increase frequency and/or add capacity on routes they already operate instead of creating a whole new destination. I'd expect daily
243 Rafabozzolla : It's going to GRU-MIA, which is great and needed, but no JFK.
244 LipeGIG : TAAG will increase both LAD-GIG and LAD-GRU back to 3x weekly each. Both will got the 77W's by year end.
245 SJOtoLIR : TACA has requested to Colombian aviation authorities the traffic rights into SJO-BOG-BSB; 4x weekly with 319. It seems that AV/TA grouping would incre
246 loalq : Any news about how EK is doing on their DXB-GIG-DXB route? I have flown C class a couple of weeks ago, load flying inbound to GIG was very light and o
247 winGl3t : Yes, I meant after GRU-MIA-GRU the next 77W route will be GRU-JFK-GRU.
248 LH506 : Any news on CHA-GRU on US? Will it start for the winter season? Does anybody know who Charlotte-Rio is doing (financially)?
249 airbazar : Do you think CNF is high enough yielding that it would justify parking an airplane all day long? The reason TP can make CNF and all other "secondary"
250 Post contains images LipeGIG : Some days it got overbooked. EK says performance is above their expectations. This is an add that celebrates the success of the flight on Rio's found
251 C010T3 : Air France and KLM both employ that strategy at GIG and GRU. British Airways and Lufthansa do only at GIG. The rotation is little longer than 24 hour
252 CNForever : After GRU and GIG, CNF is for sure the third market in Brazil. There is a good mix of leisure and business traffic. If it is high yield enough, I can
253 LipeGIG : Lets look into Brazilian Aviation News 13! This become too long and will now be archived.[Edited 2012-03-06 20:59:46]
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