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Splash Of Red..Jamaican Thread 41..  
User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3055 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17621 times:
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For the 41st edition, we will feature the entry of Redjet Airlines into the Jamaican market...

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/167764_10150396620480215_533935214_17187025_4353408_n.jpg

After a lengthy political delay, Redjet received approval to service Jamaica from both Port of Spain and Barbados..Earlier this week at a press conference, it was announced that service will start to Kingston eff Nov 20..



Service days are as follows:

BGI-KIN-BGI
Mon,Wed and Fri

BGI-KIN
9:00-11:05a

KIN-BGI
12:05-15:55
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/180300_10150103309135233_551385232_6713500_5769013_n-1.jpg

POS-KIN-POS
Tues, Thur and Sun

POS-KIN
9:45-11:45a

KIN-POS
14:45-18:30

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/247562_1731529054913_1439113732_1393645_2690207_n.jpg


Updates:

Eff MAr 2012, BA will once again suspend services to MBJ...At the same time, KIN will be increased from twice weekly to three..

BW opened a new route from KIN to MCO..The service will operate twice a week and is linked to POS on both legs..The service will increase to 3 weekly for the winter...

CM will return to MBJ in Dec, with a twice weekly service

Further updates can be found in the old thread.

Jam Air Shuttle..Jamaican Thread# 40.. (by hummingbird Jul 17 2011 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2011-09-16 11:34:16]


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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17555 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
For the 41st edition, we will feature the entry of Redjet Airlines into the Jamaican market...

Interesting theme for the 41st thread considering the many '' hurdles '' RD faced a few months ago and also the fact that the Caribbean's first LCC will be inaugurating Jamaican services in a few weeks time.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
Service days are as follows:

I thought flights to both POS and BGI were 2x weekly each as opposed to 3x. At least that was what they said on the local news here in Jamaica. Is it that they will initially start with 2x weekly and gradually upgrade to 3x during peak periods or is it the news got the frequency all wrong ?

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
Eff MAr 2012, BA will once again suspend services to MBJ...At the same time, KIN will be increased from twice weekly to three.

I wish BA was going to stay in MBJ this time around but I guess being such a fiercely competitive and tourist centric route it just was not working out for them.

Quoting JM017 (Reply 215):
Well, MBJ is swamped with charters from the UK. It's a tough market. And a leisure-focused one.

Indeed it is. I am very curious to see if VS will up their LGW-MBJ services to 3x weekly considering this is the second carrier that will be axing MBJ from their list of leisure destinations.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17525 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 1):
Indeed it is. I am very curious to see if VS will up their LGW-MBJ services to 3x weekly considering this is the second carrier that will be axing MBJ from their list of leisure destinations.

Maybe BA and VS did a deal  



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3055 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17473 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 1):
Interesting theme for the 41st thread considering the many '' hurdles '' RD faced a few months ago and also the fact that the Caribbean's first LCC will be inaugurating Jamaican services in a few weeks time.

I forgot to mention, they are also looking at a UVF to PTY via BGI....This service would be a code share with CM...

Hopefully, they will elaborate on their plans to open a base in KIN..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 1):
I thought flights to both POS and BGI were 2x weekly each as opposed to 3x. At least that was what they said on the local news here in Jamaica. Is it that they will initially start with 2x weekly and gradually upgrade to 3x during peak periods or is it the news got the frequency all wrong ?

My correction,POS will start as 2 weekly, but will increase after Dec 13 to three..BGI will start at 3 weekly...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 1):
I wish BA was going to stay in MBJ this time around but I guess being such a fiercely competitive and tourist centric route it just was not working out for them.
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 1):
Indeed it is. I am very curious to see if VS will up their LGW-MBJ services to 3x weekly considering this is the second carrier that will be axing MBJ from their list of leisure destinations.
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
Maybe BA and VS did a deal

According to the news, the withdrawal was based on economics....I thought this route was rev guarantee or did The JTB pull their support..If the JTB pulled their support, I figure the entry of BW on the London- Jamaica market was a deciding factor..BA increased their service to KIN which indicates, BW may only serve KIN nonstop twice a week, while serving MBJ 3-4 to compensate for the loss of TCX....



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3055 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 17348 times:
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Jamaica is set to receive direct air service from Paris..JAMVAC will shortly sign an agreement with Look Voyages from France..

At the same time another agreement will be signed with PAL Airlines, Chile to transport passengers from Santiago..

Redjet, who recently launched services to KIN, has listed MBJ as a future city...



Looks like MBJ has not been the only victim of service reductions from BA...

BGI will see a reduction from 10 flights to 7.

SJU and TAB will be operated 1 weekly...

According to BA, flights to MBJ were pulled based on the low sales in the premium cabin...

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20110917/business/business5.html

VS on the other hand will be upgrading their fleet and adding more premium seats to their cabin in 2012..Flights will be added to BGI, HAV, TAB and GND..

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...ision-to-pull-out-of-MoBay_9728910



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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 17345 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 4):
According to BA, flights to MBJ were pulled based on the low sales in the premium cabin...

Instead of operating a 4 class aircraft they should have down graded to a 3 or even a 2 class aircraft.


User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 17340 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 4):

According to BA, flights to MBJ were pulled based on the low sales in the premium cabin...

Precisely why it was cancelled the last time.



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User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 17339 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 3):
... while serving MBJ 3-4 to compensate for the loss of TCX....

And they would still have the same problem as BA, unless there is some sort of revenue guarantee from the JTB.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3055 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 17311 times:
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XL Airways will serve MBJ from CDG, with a one weekly service using the A330..

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 5):
Instead of operating a 4 class aircraft they should have down graded to a 3 or even a 2 class aircraft.

A 3 class aircraft was used to MBJ..Hopefully, if the JTB redefines the market to attract more premium clients, we may see a return of BA..

Quoting JM017 (Reply 6):
Precisely why it was cancelled the last time.
Quoting JM017 (Reply 7):
And they would still have the same problem as BA, unless there is some sort of revenue guarantee from the JTB.

With the help coming from the fuel subsidy and having an aircraft configured with two classes that will cater to the market, these problems may not arise..



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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5176 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 17298 times:

Well even if VS do 3 weekly MBJ-LGW and BA do 3 x weekly KIN x LGW that is still 1 x weekly or a 25% reduction in seatz to each destination - perhaps enough of a cut to increase prices and make a decent profit for both carriers to make the routes sustainable?

User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 17276 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
Maybe BA and VS did a deal

Never looked at it from that perspective but it is also food for thought.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 3):
According to the news, the withdrawal was based on economics
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 4):
According to BA, flights to MBJ were pulled based on the low sales in the premium cabin...
Quoting JM017 (Reply 6):
Precisely why it was cancelled the last time.
Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 5):
Instead of operating a 4 class aircraft they should have down graded to a 3 or even a 2 class aircraft.

Yes this was also the reason given prior to their initial 7 year absence from MBJ. But I always wonder why don't they configure some of their aircraft accordingly to better service some routes so as to maximise on revenue. It must be very challenging for them to operate a 4 class metal to a leisure based destination such as MBJ. Non the less, apart from that it seem their over all loads there was not good, as according to the article, less than 50% of the seats were being filled.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 3):
I thought this route was rev guarantee or did The JTB pull their support..If the JTB pulled their support, I figure the entry of BW on the London- Jamaica market was a deciding factor

Myself thought it was a revenue guarantee one. Seem the JTB discontinued the subsidy.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 3):
BA increased their service to KIN which indicates, BW may only serve KIN nonstop twice a week, while serving MBJ 3-4 to compensate for the loss of TCX....
Quoting JM017 (Reply 7):
And they would still have the same problem as BA, unless there is some sort of revenue guarantee from the JTB.

It will be quite interesting to see how the BW/JM re-entry into London play out......especially out of MBJ if they decide to operate that sector.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 4):
Jamaica is set to receive direct air service from Paris..JAMVAC will shortly sign an agreement with Look Voyages from France..
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 8):
XL Airways will serve MBJ from CDG, with a one weekly service using the A330..

Welcome news. The A330 is an ideal aircraft for such a route. Hopefully this service will do well and will become a '' regular '' at MBJ.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 8):
A 3 class aircraft was used to MBJ..Hopefully, if the JTB redefines the market to attract more premium clients, we may see a return of BA..

Hopefully they will be back.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 8):
With the help coming from the fuel subsidy and having an aircraft configured with two classes that will cater to the market, these problems may not arise..

A 2 class config for that sector is a much better fit I think so we will see how it goes.

Quoting anstar (Reply 9):
Well even if VS do 3 weekly MBJ-LGW and BA do 3 x weekly KIN x LGW that is still 1 x weekly or a 25% reduction in seatz to each destination - perhaps enough of a cut to increase prices and make a decent profit for both carriers to make the routes sustainable?

I am just happy that both carriers will still serve the island and hopefully it will remain that way.



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User currently offlinespeedbird2263 From Jamaica, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17202 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 10):
It will be quite interesting to see how the BW/JM re-entry into London play out......especially out of MBJ if they decide to operate that sector.

IMHO KIN-MBJ-LHR-MBJ-KIN, 3-4 weekly 763 flights would make some good money if not breakeven.

  
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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3055 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17158 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 10):
Yes this was also the reason given prior to their initial 7 year absence from MBJ. But I always wonder why don't they configure some of their aircraft accordingly to better service some routes so as to maximise on revenue. It must be very challenging for them to operate a 4 class metal to a leisure based destination such as MBJ. Non the less, apart from that it seem their over all loads there was not good, as according to the article, less than 50% of the seats were being filled.
BA will have to eventually realize the dynamics of the industry..With an increase in competition from charters carriers, they will have to adapt to the market by having a sub-fleet of leisure aircraft with a 2 class config, that is better suited for those environment......

The current config used to MBJ and KIN is 40J/24W/216Y..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 10):
Myself thought it was a revenue guarantee one. Seem the JTB discontinued the subsidy.

Looks like it was only for a year..But with Jamaica being the stars of London 2012, this will be an opportune time to increase brand awareness..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 10):
Welcome news. The A330 is an ideal aircraft for such a route. Hopefully this service will do well and will become a '' regular '' at MBJ.

Agree..Still missing ZUR, MOW and ARN

I was told Mr Bartlett was on the news last night, mentioning MBJ will be a hub for Chinese service to the region and connections to other destinations will be offered via BW..


The Chinese are looking to acquire the proposed multi-billion dollar Harmony Cove project..
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20110918/news/news3.html

[Edited 2011-09-18 04:52:40]


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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17074 times:

Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 11):
IMHO KIN-MBJ-LHR-MBJ-KIN, 3-4 weekly 763 flights would make some good money if not breakeven.

Should they decide to operate it with that type of routing, it would probably worth their while to do KIN-MBJ-LHR-MBJ-KIN on some days, and MBJ-KIN-LHR-KIN-MBJ on other days. This would ensure that they offer non-stops to/from London from both KIN and MBJ, as BA will offer non-stops to/from KIN and likewise VS will offer non-stops to/from MBJ.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 12):
BA will have to eventually realize the dynamics of the industry..With an increase in competition from charters carriers, they will have to adapt to the market by having a sub-fleet of leisure aircraft with a 2 class config, that is better suited for those environment......
The current config used to MBJ and KIN is 40J/24W/216Y..

Considering their B763s are based at LHR and they do not operate the A330s, probably they should consider using some of their future B788s to some Caribbean markets as those metals seem to be a much better fit than the B777s. With the hefty APD tax, ever soaring fuel prices, economic woes globally, I forsee further flight adjustments by them to the region if the situation doesn't change.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 12):
Still missing ZUR, MOW and ARN

Is WK still operating to MBJ seasonally ? Or was it a one time thing of the past ? I know they were down there at one point.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 12):
I was told Mr Bartlett was on the news last night, mentioning MBJ will be a hub for Chinese service to the region and connections to other destinations will be offered via BW..

Heard they mention something to that effect as well. But all of BW/JM's operation to other Caribbean destinations is out of KIN. So they will have to route those passengers from MBJ to KIN and onwards. Not certain they will find that additional transit leg attractive considering how far they will be originating from.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3055 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17042 times:
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DOT Stats Feb 2011

JM
FLL-KIN
13564-7600 56%

KIN-FLL
13410-7314 55%

FLL-MBJ
4312-2496 58%

MBJ-FLL
4312-2818 65%

JFK-KIN
8804-5155 58%

KIN-JFK
8962-4424 49%

JFK-MBJ
4004-2742 69%

MBJ-JFK
4004-2650 66%

PHL-MBJ
3978-2444 61%

MBJ-PHL
4124-2296 56%

Flights operated by NA for JM..
JFK-KIN
4555-2757 61%

KIN-JFK
4729-2686 57%

B6
BOS-MBJ
1050-841 80%

MBJ-BOS
1050-737 71%

JFK-KIN
4050-3480 86%

KIN-JFK
4050-3469 86%..Comparing the figures, the attempt to knock B6 off the market by dumping seats, was a big fail..

JFK-MBJ
4200-3669 87%

MBJ-JFK
4200-3443 82%

MCO-MBJ
3300-2073 63%

MBJ-MCO
3300-2290 69%

CO
EWR-MBJ
1488-1374 92%

MBJ-EWR
1479-1349 91%

IAH-MBJ
1283-953 74%

MBJ-IAH
1292-1043 81%

DL

ATL-MBJ
16251-12620 78%

MBJ-ATL
16245-12185 75%

DTW-MBJ
1052-900 86%

MBJ-DTW
1052-833 79%

JFK-MBJ
1268-893 70%

MBJ-JFK
1268-886 70%

MEM-MBJ
592-486 82%

MBJ-MEM
591-474 80%

MSP-MBJ
1211-1045 86%

MBJ-MSP
1211-947 78%

US

CLT-MBJ
13133-10135 77%

MBJ-CLT
12950-9599 74%

PHL-MBJ
6189-5007 81%

MBJ-PHL
6189-4670 75%

AA

DFW-MBJ
2388-1669 70%

MBJ-DFW
2388-1545 65%

MIA-KIN
12660-8555 68%

KIN-MIA
12660-8570 68%

MIA-MBJ
13654-10007 73%

MBJ-MIA
13518-9372 69%

ORD-MBJ
3016-2470 82%

MBJ-ORD
2856-2478 87%

FL
ATL-MBJ
3836-3354 88%

MBJ-ATL
3836-3024 79%

BWI-MBJ
4110-3484 85%

MBJ-BWI
3973-3310 83%

MCO-MBJ
2192-1217 55%

MBJ-MCO
2329-1478 63%

MBJ-MKE
1644-1380 84%

MKE-MBJ
1644-1440 88%

SY

LAN-MBJ
648-559 86%

MBJ-LAN
648-556 86%

MSP-MBJ
1458-1311 90%

MBJ-MSP
1620-1356 84%

NK

FLL-KIN
2303-1127 49%

KIN-FLL
2303-1105 48%

FLL-MBJ
3022-2197 73%

MBJ-FLL
3022-2130 70%

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 13):
Considering their B763s are based at LHR and they do not operate the A330s, probably they should consider using some of their future B788s to some Caribbean markets as those metals seem to be a much better fit than the B777s. With the hefty APD tax, ever soaring fuel prices, economic woes globally, I forsee further flight adjustments by them to the region if the situation doesn't change.

They need to follow the footsteps of Qantas and Jetstar, Swiss and Edelweiss and the former LH and DE..But, from what I am seeing, certain routes are being sustained due to Govt subsidies..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 13):
Is WK still operating to MBJ seasonally ? Or was it a one time thing of the past ? I know they were down there at one point.

It was a short lived service..



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User currently offlinespeedbird2263 From Jamaica, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17028 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14):
DL

ATL-MBJ
16251-12620 78%

MBJ-ATL
16245-12185 75%

Losing that DL codeshare really didn't do JM justice...I wonder if the new JM/BW would do well to offer some sort of interline if not a full codeshare. Connectivity in ATL is the key me thinks.

  
-2263



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17015 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14):
B6


JFK-KIN
4050-3480 86%

KIN-JFK
4050-3469 86%..

B6's stats particularly on the JFK route is quite impressive as usual.


Saw a notice in Friday's Gleaner re JM/BW's intention to restart flights to MIA and ORD. The C.A.A. Publication is as follows:

Applicant: Caribbean Airlines

Purpose For Which Service Is Intended: Scheduled services from Kingston to Miami & Kingston/Montego Bay to Chicago

Start Date: Nov. 1 2011

Routes: KIN-MIA-KIN

KIN-MBJ-ORD-KIN-MBJ

License Period Being Applied for:

KIN-MIA-KIN : Nov 1 2011 to Mar 31 2012

KIN-MBJ-ORD-KIN-MBJ : Nov 6 2011 to Mar 31 2012

Frequency: Daily ( for both routes )

Equip: B738


Well we previously heard of talks re both MIA and ORD being resumed. But I am wondering why a ORD-KIN-MBJ routing on the return leg with daily frequencies ? It would also appear as if the routes will be seasonal but time will tell. I think AA will be operating ORD-MBJ 5x or 6x weekly this winter ( ? )



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User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16985 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 16):
Well we previously heard of talks re both MIA and ORD being resumed. But I am wondering why a ORD-KIN-MBJ routing on the return leg with daily frequencies ? It would also appear as if the routes will be seasonal but time will tell. I think AA will be operating ORD-MBJ 5x or 6x weekly this winter ( ? )

ORD to KIN is a surprise. They may be better off doing ORD-MBJ-KIN and KIN-MBJ-ORD as ORD is primarily leisure, right?
And flights would be daily?

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 8):
With the help coming from the fuel subsidy and having an aircraft configured with two classes that will cater to the market, these problems may not arise..

Ah, I see your point. Makes sense. I wonder why it wasnt considered. I assume they have aircraft with two-class configuration...



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3055 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16962 times:
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Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 15):
Losing that DL codeshare really didn't do JM justice...I wonder if the new JM/BW would do well to offer some sort of interline if not a full codeshare. Connectivity in ATL is the key me thinks.

They could, but if they were to use ATL, there is no way DL would allow them to fly to their hub..They would rather codeshare selling the seats as KIN-MBJ-ATL and vice versa..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 16):
B6's stats particularly on the JFK route is quite impressive as usual.

Their loads have been constant over that last year....
I always wonder if DL would re-open KIN-JFK as a summer service route?

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 16):
Well we previously heard of talks re both MIA and ORD being resumed. But I am wondering why a ORD-KIN-MBJ routing on the return leg with daily frequencies ? It would also appear as if the routes will be seasonal but time will tell. I think AA will be operating ORD-MBJ 5x or 6x weekly this winter ( ? )
Quoting JM017 (Reply 17):
ORD to KIN is a surprise. They may be better off doing ORD-MBJ-KIN and KIN-MBJ-ORD as ORD is primarily leisure, right?
And flights would be daily?

AA will operate ORD 6 per week....

The routing through KIN is a strategy..The selling points of this flights will be connections to POS,ANU,BGI and GEO...With Redjet serving competition on their regional routes,they must employ a way to increase revenue, while decreasing costs...That way, all flights going south and north of Jamaica are packed..

Quoting JM017 (Reply 17):
Ah, I see your point. Makes sense. I wonder why it wasnt considered. I assume they have aircraft with two-class configuration...

They have secured 2 ex LAN B763s..I expect it to have a 2 class config....



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User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 16928 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 18):

They have secured 2 ex LAN B763s..I expect it to have a 2 class config....

I meant BA. i was wondering why they did not try using aircraft more appropriate to the MBJ market (i.e., two-class configuration).

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 18):
The routing through KIN is a strategy..The selling points of this flights will be connections to POS,ANU,BGI and GEO...With Redjet serving competition on their regional routes,they must employ a way to increase revenue, while decreasing costs...That way, all flights going south and north of Jamaica are packed..

Gotcha. Thanks.



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16812 times:

Quoting JM017 (Reply 17):
ORD to KIN is a surprise. They may be better off doing ORD-MBJ-KIN and KIN-MBJ-ORD as ORD is primarily leisure, right?
And flights would be daily?

From what I observed when JM was around in the '' Butch '' era, the ORD route was primarily leisure. I recall connecting to MBJ from KIN on JM 051 once and the A321 was virtually empty. You could count the few people who were continuing on to ORD. Also most times the return leg ( JM 050 ) either terminated in MBJ or continued on to BON )

Quoting JM017 (Reply 17):
I wonder why it wasnt considered. I assume they have aircraft with two-class configuration...
Quoting JM017 (Reply 19):
I meant BA. i was wondering why they did not try using aircraft more appropriate to the MBJ market (i.e., two-class configuration).

Myself always wondered same. Isn't that what other carriers such as VS do on leisure heavy routes such as MCO ? Make economic sense to me to have some aircraft specially configured for certain markets.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 18):
I always wonder if DL would re-open KIN-JFK as a summer service route?

Knowing how unpredictable DL is with their Caribbean ops I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 18):
The routing through KIN is a strategy..The selling points of this flights will be connections to POS,ANU,BGI and GEO...With Redjet serving competition on their regional routes,they must employ a way to increase revenue, while decreasing costs...That way, all flights going south and north of Jamaica are packed..

I can see the strategy they are going after. But is their a significant number of traffic from ORD to POS, GEO etc. to fill the south bound through KIN ? Also considering they would be competing for the connecting traffic to those destinations with AA via MIA, with the exception of GEO of course. Eager to see how it will play out.


Seem they are considering easing visa restrictions for some Latin American countries to attract more visitors from those regions to the island.........................


'' CABINET is to decide today whether it will relax visa restrictions for nationals of some Latin American countries in order to attract more Spanish-speaking tourists to our shores.
This is in tandem with a new tourism thrust to break into the Central and South American markets by introducing twice weekly Copa Airlines flights into Montego Bay come December. Copa will be connecting from some 58 cities in North, Central and South America. ''


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...a-ease-for-Latin-Americans_9745797


Hopefully connections through PTY via CM from some of these non traditional markets will be enough to make the service viable.



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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5176 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16799 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 20):

Myself always wondered same. Isn't that what other carriers such as VS do on leisure heavy routes such as MCO ?

VS oly have the 2 class aircraft operating to MCO as an interim use of the A330's - they will be refitted with the new J seats next year and move back to LHR. They have also only been deployed on MCO as they have multiple flights a day from MAN/LGW so can still offer J capacity.


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3055 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 16785 times:
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Quoting JM017 (Reply 19):
I meant BA. i was wondering why they did not try using aircraft more appropriate to the MBJ market (i.e., two-class configuration).
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 20):
Myself always wondered same. Isn't that what other carriers such as VS do on leisure heavy routes such as MCO ? Make economic sense to me to have some aircraft specially configured for certain markets.

Their B767s are based in LGW..Eventually they may have to shift aircraft and make a decision similar to The Flying Colours deal, where they operated flights to routes such as MBJ, TPA, GND and KIN..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 20):
From what I observed when JM was around in the '' Butch '' era, the ORD route was primarily leisure. I recall connecting to MBJ from KIN on JM 051 once and the A321 was virtually empty. You could count the few people who were continuing on to ORD. Also most times the return leg ( JM 050 ) either terminated in MBJ or continued on to BON )

Looks like MBJ will be short changed on this route...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 20):
Knowing how unpredictable DL is with their Caribbean ops I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to.

The A319 or B737 would be suitable for the route..They could operate into KIN 4-5 weekly...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 20):
I can see the strategy they are going after. But is their a significant number of traffic from ORD to POS, GEO etc. to fill the south bound through KIN ? Also considering they would be competing for the connecting traffic to those destinations with AA via MIA, with the exception of GEO of course. Eager to see how it will play out.


The traffic may not be heavy, but when combined with O&D traffic from KIN, it will be enough to fill a B738....Also, KIN was chosen to maximize aircraft utilization..The inbound B738 will probably head south or do another northbound leg..The ATRs will probably do the KIN-MBJ-KIN legs...
I have a feeling ORD and MIA will be linked to their regional destinations..


Quoting airjamaica (Reply 20):
CABINET is to decide today whether it will relax visa restrictions for nationals of some Latin American countries in order to attract more Spanish-speaking tourists to our shores.
This is in tandem with a new tourism thrust to break into the Central and South American markets by introducing twice weekly Copa Airlines flights into Montego Bay come December. Copa will be connecting from some 58 cities in North, Central and South America. ''

I thought this was a given...
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According to our PM, Jamaica will be planning a major investment conference, aimed at bolstering the tourism industry..He also noted, " BW will be adding two more aircraft to their Jamaican operations and talks are far advanced with a US carrier to deploy turboprops aircraft to Boscobel Airport"..

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...estment-for-tourism-sector_9747098



PAL Airlines, Chile is mulling a withdrawal of services from MBJ, following the signing on Air Service Agreement between JAMVAc and Copa Airlines..

http://rjrnewsonline.com/business/pa...as-airlift-agreement-copa-airlines

[Edited 2011-09-19 09:46:14]


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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 16743 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14):

Looking at those JM loads I dont see how they can claim that they arent losing money.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16704 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 20):
'' CABINET is to decide today whether it will relax visa restrictions for nationals of some Latin American countries in order to attract more Spanish-speaking tourists to our shores.
This is in tandem with a new tourism thrust to break into the Central and South American markets by introducing twice weekly Copa Airlines flights into Montego Bay come December. Copa will be connecting from some 58 cities in North, Central and South America. ''

Must say I think most of us are ahead of GoJ on this....BZE removed all visa restrictions for LatAmericans (ex Colombia) last year and even Colombians can enter visa free if they have a valid US visa in their passport. Bahamas did the same I believe



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25 hummingbird : Their Mar figures are a lot better then Feb.. BTW, The inaugural MCO flight which was full, flight had less than 10% ex KIN and KIN bound.. DOT Stats
26 airjamaica : I have seen them at MCO many times. Usually I see 3 or 4 of them parked there in the afternoons preparing for their return journey across the '' pond
27 Post contains links hummingbird : Yeah, thanks for the correction..I meant to say LHR..The B767s CAribbean destination are NAS,GCM and GCM... I also saw on the news, where they mentio
28 Post contains links and images airjamaica : ( * for the MCO-MBJ route that is ) As expected, holiday makers from the United Kingdom and other parts of Europe are seeking out less costly alterna
29 speedbird2263 : No sure if it's a case of them just using a CC flight number or if they got a different pick up in MBJ but I can assure you they arrived on a Royal J
30 Post contains links hummingbird : All heading to Spain, Florida and Turkey....The only way these Britons will bypass this rule is flying through another EU country.. At least, BW will
31 A388 : Hello guys, I went abroad for three weeks so I wasn't active in the forum but I'm back again. I see some nice load factors for March to Jamaica, congr
32 Post contains links hummingbird : Nothing as yet..Hopefully, we will hear more when the first ATR arrives.... This is the latest breakdown for the winter season.. 300,000 seats from C
33 Post contains links airjamaica : So it appear that an A330 took the delegation to MBJ and the Royal Jet B73G BBJ flew them from MBJ to KIN. Wouldn't it have been more cost effective
34 GUYAIR707 : Wow, when you big you big. Kind of decadent. GUYAIR707
35 yellowtail : Having been involved with the recent effort in BZE to ease the travel restrictions from LatAmerican nations, I can assure you it is not as easy and q
36 beeweel15 : That still small thing. Lets see for Obama you got 2 747 at least 6-10 fighter escort aircraft a KC10 extender.
37 Post contains links hummingbird : Talk about disposable income.... Its a tricky market... BTW..I saw on the new where I hope the deal with GOL is still on the books.. More details abo
38 GUYAIR707 : LOL, you're right, just not accustomed seeing this from most other nations. GUYAIR707
39 airjamaica : Very interesting. In that case they should have started making preparations long ago. Lol....When yuh large yuh jus' large !! US is not easing up on
40 Post contains images A388 : Even the ATR72 would be very much welcomed here!!! Interesting development. Let's see which one will eventually happen. I personally see Russia defin
41 Post contains links hummingbird : I have never seen such an increase in service from US to MBJ from PHL....But lets see how BW responds.. BTW..It looks like planes destined for JM is
42 Post contains links airjamaica : Usually one would have expected to see such increases on their CLT-MBJ rotations. But they are becoming more and more aggressive on the PHL-MBJ route
43 Post contains links hummingbird : This is their Dec schedule from CLT, that will include a RON.. 1227 7:55 AM CLT -10:54 AM MBJ 2h 59m 319 1229 9:40 AM CLT- 12:44 PM MBJ 3h 4m 321 123
44 Post contains links airjamaica : Its seems RD have very HUGE plans for Jamaica. According to Mr. Burns, already ticket sales have exceeded expectations on its pending flights to BGI a
45 hummingbird : Talk about perfect timing..It now seems, the source of the problem is gone, they now have a greater chance of getting this approval.. Am also thrille
46 yankeejuliet : [quote=airjamaica,reply=44] '' REDJET, the Caribbean's low fares airline, is planning to create a separate Jamaican airline which will provide hundred
47 airjamaica : If all go according to plan, it will be quite an interesting scene where Jamaica's aviation is concerned. Depending on what routes they intend to ser
48 Post contains links hummingbird : It would be good for the country as this investment will create new jobs and expand the industry..The operations should follow a JM model where MBJ w
49 Post contains links hummingbird : Plans are ahead to have AA/Eagle service the newly refurbished Ian Flemming Airport from MIA..More details to follow.. http://rjrnewsonline.com/busine
50 Post contains links airjamaica : Eager to see what they have in store for KIN ( and to a greater extent Jamaica ) where their latest announcement is concerned. Interesting days ahead
51 Post contains links hummingbird : Still a long way to go before we see changes for flights to the Caribbean.. Per the OAG thread, DL will be cancelling service from JFK to the followi
52 hummingbird : There is a birdie chirping in KIN...Heard a new airline is on the way to serve our national interest...Stay tuned...
53 Post contains images Speedbird2263 : ..or two? -2263
54 Post contains links hummingbird : The more the merrier, lol.....I heard some former JM top notch will be a part of this venture..However, I will await confirmation whether this will b
55 airjamaica : And what make it worst is the fact that this new tax will inevitably increase over time no doubt. With the exception of ANU I guess they can't manage
56 guyanam : Well there goes CAL Jamaica. Jamaicans dont seem to want it so why bother with it?
57 hummingbird : Am surprised DL has not been able to make their JFK-Caribbean markets work compared to AA and B6... I am looking at the long term contribution of the
58 beeweel15 : That wont be a problem CAL will work with the rest of the islands to promote the region as whole so everyone will benefit and let folks there is more
59 a340jamaica : The problem CAL has that we have gone over ad infinitum is that they believe Jamaicans see the region in the same manner as the other islanders. Big
60 Post contains links and images hummingbird : An update on DL's service to MBJ from ATL ...During the peak Dec sched, they will operate 4 daily flights with 3 B757s and 1 B738.. From Jan to mid F
61 Post contains images JM017 : It's not their specialty. The routes they would need to run to support tourist arrivals are exactly the low-yield routes that would cause their Jamai
62 Post contains images yellowtail : Who says the AA (JFK) flights are working. And before you guys pull up LF's....for the most part yields on JFK to the Caribbean are not that great. A
63 guyanam : CAL doesnt have a clue about marketing to the leisure. Their time will be best spent focusing on GND, POS and GEO where rthey have near monopolies in
64 beeweel15 : AA is not really giving up to B^ . AA/B6 are working together very closely with the two carriers feeding each other at JFK. AA is working on somethin
65 airjamaica : Back in the day AA's network from JFK to the Caribbean was far more extensive that what currently exists, as they are now routing many of those passe
66 yankeejuliet : Hello all, as i have announced, on an earlier thread a group oF Jamaican investors were negoating the lease of three A319s for a new airline to be bas
67 hummingbird : I think the GOJ will work with them, but I have not seen an sense of urgency....Notice when they announced ORD, there was no endorsement from The JTB
68 Post contains links and images hummingbird : Announcing Jamaica's newest and soon to be National Airline, Jamaica Queen Airlines.. Founded in 2011 by Dr. Will, a former Airline Pilot born in Jama
69 airjamaica : Based on the information in that link, it seem they have their eyes on the A320's & A321's. So maybe we will see a mixture of A319's, A320's &
70 JM017 : Yes. I was not a fan of that move. Redjet should have been allowed to set up shop. At that time, Jamaica's skies seemed less open than they claimed i
71 yellowtail : Subsidies generally cover losses, not ensure handsome profits. If most caribbean routes are "subsidized"...then profits are far and few. I would say
72 hummingbird : I am being told, they may start in December...It looks like the initial batch of employees will comprise of mainly ex JM staff..This will help to red
73 Post contains images A388 : This new airline looks interesting but their website is very weird looking and very amateuristic to say the least. When clicking on "facts about the 7
74 hummingbird : As per their website: 1..Requesting Public OPINION of selecting three color choices for aircraft. More pictures under "Picture Gallery." Please place
75 airjamaica : Agree 100%. Apparently it was only open for some carriers it would seem. That is one of their biggest problem ( if not the biggest ) affecting them a
76 JM017 : I noticed that. I found it a bit tasteless and besides the point of the whole site. Wouldn't it be funny if Boeing offered them a deal they couldn't
77 beeweel15 : Well I wish Jamaica Queen blue skies ahead. However it is raising more questions as was mentioned earlier. My main question is these so called Jamaic
78 A388 : Thanks for the clarification hummingbird. I agree, it can even be punishable if you would ask me. I would advise them to remove that from their websit
79 airjamaica : That part of the site was not necessary. Aircraft accidents/mishaps happen for a reason ( or a combination of factors may lead to such scenarios as w
80 A388 : That's why I can see this being punishable and AA taking actions as there clearly is no reason to have that information on an "airline website", whet
81 hummingbird : Guys, it looks like we are in for some big surprises..Apparently, the statement I mentioned last week, was not in reference to Jamaica Queen...I am b
82 GUYAIR707 : GOJ must have their reasons for divesting JM to BW, but it seems that they should have just sold it to the JM pilots, once they qualified of course.
83 airjamaica : Very interesting. I wonder what will be the name of that carrier and what routes they intend to start with ? If that is the case, there is no way BW/
84 hummingbird : Yep....All I will say, things are moving forward and they are looking into all feed backs.. Believe me, they will rise from the ashes...The passion f
85 GUYAIR707 : Makes me wonder, couldn't BW have set up JM as a Jamaican majority owned airline, with them having a share in the Jamaican company, and still having
86 a340jamaica : That is how they should have proceeded from the outset. The reaction would have been significantly different and long term success more likely
87 guyanam : Funny I was wondering th e same. Then they would ahve bene allowed to truly operate as Air Jamaica a bona fide Jamaican airline. Now most Jamaicans l
88 beeweel15 : Whats even funnier I said the same thing at the beginning of this whole merger and even the Jamaicans did not want to do that. But I do agree the cur
89 airjamaica : Should the GOJ prevent B6 from operating FLL-KIN and/or FLL-MBJ for the sole purpose of protectionism, then it would again be a clear sign that the J
90 hummingbird : If that were the case, the BW brand they are now pushing on the market, would be non-existent.. The pilots would be the last persons to strike a deal
91 Post contains links hummingbird : Mark your calender..... "RETURNING JAMAICA TO THE SKY" Website will be removed on October 23, 2011 Jamaica Queen Airlines will be coming soon SITE UND
92 Post contains images airjamaica : That is great news. Good that CM's B73G's will be doing the rounds in MBJ once again. This time non-stop in both directions. Another welcome news. Ma
93 Post contains links and images hummingbird : Very encouraging..If the JTB increases marketing in Latin American countries, chances are, we will see additional frequencies for the summer... I hop
94 GUYAIR707 : Wow, great news. A 752 with 134 seats seems very spaced out, not sure that is accurate. Hope they are planning GEO-JFK/YYZ non stop. I think they do
95 hummingbird : Yeah, its a typo..It should be 180-234 in a two class or one class mix.. I believe, its based on their revenue allocation..They can make money carryi
96 JM017 : So, with one aircraft, will it be doing a routing like this: GEO-KIN-JFK-KIN-YYZ-KIN-GEO? Is that possible?
97 airjamaica : B6 is doing well on MCO-MBJ it would appear, and though FL was struggling with loads on that sector, they have been improving. They seem very determi
98 JM017 : Two aircraft would make this more doable. But from the info Hummingbird provided above, it looks like they are beginning service with one aircraft.
99 hummingbird : From what I heard, they will start with one aircraft..The daily service from both JFK and YYZ may not start until late/early next year when a second
100 guyanam : Once Guyanese investors and a one plane airline is involved dont fly it. Guyana has a history of this and in a year or two they have ended stranded pa
101 A388 : Using only one aircraft for a daily operation indeed is very tricky. They don't have the expertise of the 757 in-house so if that single aircraft goes
102 GUYAIR707 : I agree, one reason 424/425 are so popular with me and ppl I know is because it is daily, not to mention the better onboard service. When I spoke wit
103 hummingbird : Looks like MIA -BW 24/25 and seasonal ORD BW 1070 and 1071 will be back.... If I were to follow these lines of thought, I am happy these flights are r
104 A388 : You are right. Yes, of course they do but not to the extend that they will have every spare part in-house. That is the problem, not having maintenanc
105 JM017 : Flights to Miami and Chicago? What routing?
106 airjamaica : A few weeks ago when they first mentioned these routes, the proposed ORD routing was KIN-MBJ-ORD-KIN-MBJ. Not certain re the MIA routing but I suspec
107 JM017 : Oh, now I remember. I had even wondered why the ORD route would originate in KIN, and someone suggested the intent to take advantage of connections i
108 airjamaica : I vividly recall those days as well when JM had those flights to MIA from sunrise to late nights on a daily basis. For ages the early morning flight
109 hummingbird : It is being said the service should start in Dec...They have a Town Hall meeting scheduled for next week..Perhaps, it will be announced... Still no u
110 Post contains links hummingbird : http://www.flyjazz.ca/en/home/thomascookcanada/routemap.aspx Spoke too soon..They will operate services from YVR, YYZ, YYC and YHZ for the winter....
111 airjamaica : If this '' Jamaica Queen '' get off the ground it seem BWI, MIA, PHL, JFK, MBJ & KIN will be their initial targets according to their temporary w
112 hummingbird : They work closely with one of Canada's main tour operator Sunquest Vacations, who specializes in inclusive packages...Transitionally BGI, ANU and UVF
113 Post contains links airjamaica : Traffic from the U.K. seem to be their main market. I know BA and VS for example have quite a number of flights to BGI each week. Daily frequencies o
114 Post contains links hummingbird : Eff, Nov 1, Exec Direct will begin air freight services into FLL.. Exec Direct Aviation (EDA) Jamaica’s all cargo airline, will begin airfreight ser
115 Post contains images A388 : The thread will still be on blast now due to lack of sufficient demand from that part of the world. If something is only a matter of time, it can 6 m
116 guyanam : Not surprised that BW (Jamaica) has problems. It appears as if they are the airline of second resort (execpt to FLL) and so will not be a money maker
117 hummingbird : Am hoping our new PM will recognize the benefits of having Open Skies and will operate the policy in a true fashion...By summer next year, we should
118 airjamaica : It was said over and over again from the get go that KIN ( and Jamaica to a greater extent ) would not be a '' walk in the park '' or '' bed of roses
119 hummingbird : Better hurry before the 50th celebrations starts...Any such branded carrier will be in an advantageous position.... A news release this morning, stat
120 GUYAIR707 : I checked Redjet's website for travel GEO to POS on Nov 4-7 and compared CAL's fares, Redjet is $97.08 and CAL is $194.50. GEO-BGI for same dates Redj
121 guyanam : Redjet has been experiencing service problems recently due to their ageing fleet. CAL will keep the premium market and the intransits from North Amer
122 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : What they have found in Europe is that even with terrible customer service and reliability ppl still flock to Ryanair. I would expect with their 1st
123 Post contains links hummingbird : They are now locked in battle with BW over tertiary students..Both carriers are now offering students, two checked bags for free...The only thing sto
124 guyanam : Dont get too excited about Redjet's PR. They are noted for spin. Their ground services when there are delays are every bit as bad, or worse then CAL.
125 hummingbird : When it was first published, they mentioned, there is a huge Guyanese community in Antigua, over 10,000 in the diaspora..They are hoping to stimulate
126 guyanam : The plan was for redjet to compete against CAL. Not LIAT. Now that redjet has run out of viable longer routes they are looking at routes where LI is
127 Post contains links and images hummingbird : Take a look at these two ads..Looks like a bloodbath is on the horizon... BW Redjet.. REDjet, your number one airline, is pleased to extend our offer
128 airjamaica : All the better for the travelling public. RD's impact on traditional airfares and offerings in some regional sectors is quite obvious. I get the impr
129 A388 : If you are referring to G3 than their only option is using the 767 as their 737's lack the range for nonstop flights. If they can't fill a 767 due to
130 GUYAIR707 : Absolutely. GUYAIR707
131 Post contains links hummingbird : The last I heard, they are having scheduling conflicts with the carrier...IMO, I don't think The JTB would spend money on having a B737 direct servic
132 A388 : Direct service from GRU to Jamaica isn't even possible with the 737-800 unless it's the 737-700 which I assume is too small passenger number wise. A3
133 airjamaica : Time will tell how this one will play out. G3 seem to be quite popular with Brazilian leisure travellers to the Caribbean, so hopefully a GRU-MBJ lin
134 Post contains links hummingbird : Direct service is always possible with a B737.. The difference between nonstop and direct service is best explained in this article.. Many people thi
135 A388 : Ahh I see, that discussion. I remember that and still think the term is very misleading. In this case, yes, "direct service" is possible but I would
136 aa1818 : I do hope that BW is able to get a foothold in a few markets to ensure their sustainability going forward. It is in the interest of Jamaica to have a
137 guyanam : MIA is good given high traffic volumes. ORD not sure. Its a pure leisure market. AA, with its hub, competes. BW doesnt have a leisure product. I thin
138 A388 : What is a "leisure product" on an airline? Leisure destinations I do know about. A388
139 hummingbird : They were looking for nonstop service to MBJ.. They could make money from ORD and other leisure markets, but will need to diversify their market into
140 A388 : That seems to be a matter of personal taste. Some people put value in that, others don't. A388
141 airjamaica : I easily see how that term can be misleading as generally the word direct means straight. But as I have come to learn ( and accept ) in the aviation
142 GUYAIR707 : Singapore Airlines/Virgin Atlantic used their flight attendants to promote their airline successfully, seems it couldn't hurt to have a theme to prom
143 Post contains links and images hummingbird : In Jan B6 will add two extra flights to MBJ with a total increase of 9 weekly from JFK..In Feb it will increase to 10 weekly.. >>>>>>
144 guyanam : Leisure product is having a marketing set up as well as travel packages. CAL has neither. How will tourists access their product? This is why their J
145 GUYAIR707 : I like the Air Seychelles design. What about the old JM, were the uniforms and interior given a tropical concept? CAL/AJ should brighten their design
146 Post contains links and images beeweel15 : I introduce the ATR72. View Large View MediumPhoto © T.Laurent
147 yellowtail : You're joking right? Never know Caribbean folk to sit back and take an air delay lightly. You make RD sound like Biman!
148 guyanam : They will tolerate it (OK some screaming will be involved) but will be back again if it means they save air fare. Those who cant tolerate it will use
149 beeweel15 : He is serious Caribbean folk do sit back and take many delays especially on foreign carriers . They only act up and get on if they on CAL , JM or now
150 Post contains images hummingbird : Check out these arrivals from Canada.. Sunwing YXE Sunwing YYC Jazz Air YYZ WS YUL Sunwing YYZ WS YOW WS YYX with B738 AC A321.. An unknown carrier fl
151 GUYAIR707 : Very nice. Now I can tell how much a difference these new uniforms/interiors make. GUYAIR707
152 airjamaica : That is great. The good thing with their fleet is that they can switch between the EMB's and A320's on the MCO-MBJ route to align with seasonal deman
153 a340jamaica : Correct. A tropical airline should be colourful. That distinguishes it from the bland crowd. You are serving territories where you are immersed in co
154 guyanam : Agreed so lets tell CAL to get rid of the purple. Yes we know one cant have the elaborate color schemes of times past but something better than purpl
155 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : New airline claiming they will be serving as a "public charter" to GEO, POS, MIA or FLL, MCO, JFK. EZ Jet, . Website: http://www.ezjetgt.com/index.php
156 airjamaica : Quite so. Very interesting. But should they actually get off the ground, why MCO ? I have never considered an airline flying between MCO-GEO as I wou
157 GUYAIR707 : I don't see that route happening. This is usual with Guyanese startups, they pretend they are huge and will do many routes, but the reality is this w
158 hummingbird : Looks like B6 will be the first carrier to increase services to Jamaica for summer 2012.. B6 JFK-KIN JUL 1.0>1.5 B6 JFK-MBJ MAY 1.0>1.4 JUL 1.5&
159 Post contains images A388 : That is good news. I keep looking up to Jamaica and all the charter flights flying there, that's always nice to have. I wish Curacao will one day bec
160 GUYAIR707 : A few years back there was a group of investors proposing an airline from JFK-GEO called E-JET, don't know if this is the same group, but their idea
161 airjamaica : Will this flight operate into MBJ from CDG or ORY ? Good to see charters between France and Jamaica. Hopefully it will do well and be a regular visit
162 hummingbird : BTW..TAME A320 was spotted in MBJ last night.. On Sat, US has two aircraft that RON in MBJ... This is a breakdown of flights from Canada this winter..
163 GUYAIR707 : Awfully quiet here. Any news on when CAL will be getting Air Jamaica branded ATR 72's? GUYAIR707
164 Post contains images Speedbird2263 : Slightly more than a rumour according to the Country Manager but of course for now we just have to wait and see -2263
165 airjamaica : Quite a line up from Canada there. Should be another record setting season with visitors from that country. More than likely AC will be rotating the
166 hummingbird : A 4 weekly KIN-MIA-KIN service starts on Dec 13.. KIN-MIA 09:45 11:25 BW021 MIA-KIN 13:10 14:50 BW024 They are expected in Jan/Feb. I firmly believe,
167 aa1818 : Excellent news. I hope this service is successful and that daily services resume shortly. I know that BW is not the Jamaican market's first choice, b
168 hummingbird : The focus will be out of KIN.. Plans are in place to launch LGW-KIN in June 2012.. It is being said ORD, when launched will be temporarily operated b
169 aa1818 : I think that presents a win-win situation for the Jamaican economy. Let the foreign carriers build up their presence in MBJ, while the less attractiv
170 hummingbird : IMO..A big mistake..People keep forgetting about the huge VFR market that uses MBJ as their gateway....This is one reason the US carriers are enjoyin
171 GUYAIR707 : I don't know, but as I suggested on the other thread, couldn't the ATR's/738's feed traffic from NAS, GCM, HAV, MBJ and other Northern Caribbean poin
172 airjamaica : No doubt the E190/A320 mix would work fine for B6 on the FLL route as well. I will be flying them again to MCO on Thanksgiving Day. My first ever E19
173 ilanbwoy : Am reallly happy to see this mia - kin resumption, and also the rumoured return of atlanta service. Does anybody know when the Miami flights will be b
174 ilanbwoy : BTW, is the start up Miami gonna be a CAL plane or will it be a wet lease? Forgive my ignorance, but has the lost plane been replaced?
175 hummingbird : I can see GCM as the distance and the turnaround times is less than 3 hrs...But, they will face other obstacle as the flights will be based on freque
176 Post contains links hummingbird : It looks like China Harbour Engineering has chosen Kingston as it's regional headquarters..The company is currently in negotiations with The Cayman Is
177 airjamaica : I am wondering if that B767 was a last minute sub by AA ? In any case it is good to see them use that metal on ORD-MBJ. Impressive stats. B6 figures
178 GUYAIR707 : Thanks, nice bit of info, I knew they were looking to expand GEO but didn't know the contract was awarded. Still I think it will be confirmed after t
179 hummingbird : DOT Stats MAY 2011.. FL ATL-MBJ 4247-3858 91% MBJ-ATL 4247-3930 93% BWI-MBJ 4384-3939 90% MBJ-BWI 4384-4133 94% MBJ-MCO 3014-2665 88% MCO-MBJ 3014-269
180 airjamaica : I remember when they first started flights to Jamaica. One B727 was deployed to KIN ( loads always looked dismal to me from what I usually observed w
181 aa1818 : Very Impressive loads for JM for April and May. While in some areas they are lagging behind their foreign-based counterparts, these results are much
182 LimaMike : Redjet commenced their Kingston service today with their long awaited POS-KIN-POS flight, and were greeted with the general fanfare and expected water
183 JM017 : On the NMIA website, the flights are listed as operated by Ryan International. Why is that?
184 airjamaica : Finally. Was expecting to see the water spray salute on the evening newscast, but nothing of the sort. Guess it will be featured in a subsequent repo
185 LimaMike : I have no clue as to why the flight was listed as Ryan International (Perhaps some mix-up or confusion with the airline codes) but it certainly was a
186 JM017 : I initially thought that perhaps the plane was leased from Ryan. But as you noted it was a redjet plane, that cannot be true. You are probably right:
187 Post contains links and images hummingbird : I got these pics of the check in of the first flight to POS.. These are YouTube clips of the inaugural flight....Wishing Redjet all success in the Jam
188 Post contains links hummingbird : A pretty interesting day in our aviation industry.. Looks like FlyJamaica is set to take off on or about Dec 16 with B757 services to GEO,JFK and
189 Post contains images GUYAIR707 : Very nice. Any news on where they are sourcing their 757 from? Seems like GEO will need all the airbridges they can get. BW/JM will have to watch the
190 Post contains images hummingbird : Am still trying to find that info, but I heard it will be a colourful aircraft..All FAs are ex JM/BW employees.. I also saw this post from EzJet.. EZ
191 GUYAIR707 : Strange no word around the Guyanese community in NY, so I will check the local newspapers this weekend. If they want to fill their a/c they have to a
192 LimaMike : Redjet had their second "inauguration" of service to KIN today with the commencement of its BGI-KIN-BGI flights. And yes, there was a repeat of the fa
193 Post contains images airjamaica : I notice that some off those check in monitors at NMIA are projected off the wall by a metal bar, while some ( such as RD's ) are wall mounted. Wonde
194 Post contains links hummingbird : Guys this is an interesting read.....Here we go again with the protectionism..If Redjet is able to open a base, grow regional and international market
195 beeweel15 : Well there was a discussion about the different interiors but this is what most pax will complain about. buying a ticket on JM and a BW plane shows u
196 A388 : Please correct me if I'm wrong but I remember saying that passengers won't mind it much to see another airline flight number and the actual livery on
197 JM017 : I asked a similar question a while back (using the AF/KL example too). Someone here (I cannot remember who) responded telling me that it had somethin
198 A388 : I think it is the other way around, AF/KL have one holding company which houses both airlines (Air France KLM Group). In any case, Caribbean Airlines
199 JM017 : As it was explained to me, that is true. They had the opportunity but chose not to opt for maintaining JM separately.
200 GUYAIR707 : Imagine what chaos is happening with the marketing guys. What brand are you promoting when? I wouldn't want their job. GUYAIR707
201 hummingbird : . Initially they had q holding company, but after the last round of contract changes, it all became Caribbean Airlines... Looks like 9Y MBJ will be h
202 Post contains images airjamaica : Let's see how this new development will play out. I am certain they eloquently stated in no uncertain terms that any new carrier will be free to set
203 GUYAIR707 : What I would like to know what is CAL's endgame going to be with the two brands? As the airline expands and the route map changes do they paint half
204 a340jamaica : They take Jamaicans for fools. That is what it is. Look at what is going to happen to them when Jetblue starts FLL as we have been predicting all alo
205 airjamaica : Time certainly will tell, but it would appear to me that is exactly what they had planned all along. Mixing the EMB/Airbus on the FLL-KIN route for s
206 Post contains links and images hummingbird : Am not sure how BW will respond to this statement as it is obvious B6 plans are to steal BW's market share and grow the market.. http://jamaica-glean
207 caribbean484 : I got this on the CAL page looks like they are seeing some significant capacity increases "CAL will increase JFK-MBJ for the winter with a 2w NAA 757
208 hummingbird : Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that KIN is an unattractive city to carriers.... NK loaded their summer schedule where they will increase capac
209 airjamaica : Fully see where you are coming from. They will have to be very mindful of that I think. One of the worst things that could happen is locals having th
210 LimaMike : ...Or perhaps NK simply wants to remain relevant on the KIN-FLL market even with BW 's existing service and B6 's pending 2x daily. Certainly their c
211 anstar : Its probably been mentioned somewhere already in the thread - but VS are increasing MBJ to 4 x weekly next year after they pull out of KIN. Increased
212 A388 : Interesting news but let's wait and see how the market conditions behave in 2012. It's nice to have plans but that's nothing than it is, just plans.
213 hummingbird : I agree...With their LCC structure, I don't see them having problems growing the market... In the end, am happy to see traffic growth in KIN..Over th
214 airjamaica : They are in no hurry to '' give up '' on that sector. Even if it means operating it at 1x weekly..lol Myself saw where several persons who were consi
215 anstar : Seems to be 4 x weekly 747 effective first week in May.
216 hummingbird : Great news..Not only will this replace the lost BA service, but it will increase capacity by close to 50%...I can only hope that VS would acquire BMI
217 guyanam : B6 is quite a force on the JFK KIN route, sometimes beating BW, even though they have fewer seats and higher airfares. Its inevitable they will do FL
218 Post contains links and images hummingbird : A recent Ad in the local newspaper showcased BW's recruitment for ATR pilots and cabin crew.. [Edited 2011-11-25 19:02:22]
219 GUYAIR707 : Any news on FlyJamaica? Will the ATR's take over all MBJ-KIN-MBJ routes, or will the 738 still be doing them? Seems like JM is now doing Cuba routes,
220 Post contains links hummingbird : Last I heard, they were getting ready for training.. KIN-MBJ shuttle in addition to NAS, GCM and HAV..Long term plans call for the removal of inter-i
221 airjamaica : Wasn't even aware that B6 had a partnership with Golden Krust. From what I have observed, they have no problems whatsoever getting support from the l
222 Post contains links hummingbird : I see this as a great move by Jetblue to establish loyalty in the diaspora..Looks like on some days next year, KIN will see 4 B6 aircraft...Incredibl
223 Post contains links airjamaica : B6's growth in Jamaica and the Caribbean to a greater extent has been nothing short of impressive indeed. 4x daily into KIN from two destinations on
224 guyanam : Hiope redjet knows that when they faile dbusiness model generate slosses Jamaica govt jhas no $$$ to give them. The Md83s were never to be used for t
225 hummingbird : Cant wait to see them enjoy their success on the FLL-KIN..With a planned 3 daily, there is no doubt a 4th daily will be added during holiday travel p
226 beeweel15 : With all the airlines coming to Jamaica explain to us how Jamaica is under served. Please I want to hear this. Jamaica owns 16% of BW. so both airlin
227 hummingbird : Obviously, you have misconstrued the statement..I suggest you scroll up and read the conversation between myself and Guyanam... In this case, it has
228 beeweel15 : so what you are saying is the when Flyjamaica takes flight Redjet will lose its national carrier status then
229 hummingbird : No, you are twisting my statement....We are taking about BW using their " national carrier " status to block competition... We all saw what had happe
230 GUYAIR707 : Happy to see them enter the fray. GUYAIR707
231 A388 : I haven't read that discussion but I think hummingbird is referring to the connections Jamaica has with other Caribbean islands, in that Jamaica migh
232 hummingbird : When news first broke about Flyjam, it was said it was a colloboration between Jamaican and Guyanese interests....Some further investigations reveale
233 GUYAIR707 : So is the airline based in GEO or KIN? Is it still both JA and GY owned? Wings Aviation is based in OGL if I am not mistaken. GUYAIR707
234 Post contains images yellowtail : Clearly the recipe for making a profit.
235 Post contains links airjamaica : It is expected that they will also do well on their pending FLL-KIN flights. Not certain what is happening with those plans, but it appears that it w
236 Post contains images beeweel15 : Wings Aviation Inc, a US registered Company owns this aircraft. The A/C was delivered to ATA in 1999 as N524AT and was with VIM as EI-LTU, Aurela as
237 A388 : Nice trip report airjamaica!!! I agree with you that the airport lay-out of MCO is nice and unique (I think it has 4 seperate satellites?). I was ther
238 airjamaica : If the airfare is extremely competitive I am certain some will not mind at all. Thanks A388. Yes MCO still has 4 separate airside concourses each of
239 GUYAIR707 : It will be similar to CAL's stop in Trinidad. Of course they would have to make it a short stop, about 1.5 hrs max. GUYAIR707
240 A388 : Thanks for the reply airjamaica. One reason I also like MCO is because of that tram that gives you a very nice view on the surrounding area. Cheers,
241 Post contains links hummingbird : New thread up.. Blue Tales A Jammin..Thread #Jamaican Thread 42.. (by hummingbird Dec 8 2011 in Civil Aviation)
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