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"Exciting" Go Around At IAH, 9/16  
User currently offlinetraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 361 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7030 times:

Just arrived at IAH from EWR on CO 1432, which is operated with a T7. We were on final approach to 08L and at about 2 miles out we suddenly veered left and the left wing dipped. We corrected and then the pilot gave it take off power and we did a go around. There was no announcement from the flight deck and our next approach was uneventful, with an apparent routine landing.

Clearly something abnormal happened on the first approach. The deviation from the approach was very evident on the IFE screen, especially with the second approach super imposed upon it. The weather was calm with good visibility in daylight. I don't know if we hit the wake of a plane ahead of us, or if something glitched with the autopilot. (I am assuming we were on autopilot) Certainly there could be other explanations. However, since the crew did not tell us anything, and did not come out of the flight deck after landing, I am just speculating.

I have been flying commercially since 1967 and have been through go arounds and aborted take offs. I have flown over 2,000,000 miles, but clearly, what I just experienced was something very different. I would appreciate some feedback from the pilots on A-net.

Thanks

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User currently offlinetan1mill From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6954 times:

Just an idea, but LiveATC.net might have it archived at some point, if they don't already. I'd try listening to the recording during the time of your flight for any conversations between your pilots and ATC.


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User currently offlinetraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6915 times:

Thanks for the recommendation!

User currently offlineExpressJet_ERJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 834 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

I hate to arm chair quarterback, but if I go around for any reason I always make a PA to the passengers if only a brief second. I find that in situations like that the passengers really want to know whats going on, and they seem to appreciate it. If you find out what happened please post.


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User currently offlinetraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

The exciting (actually a little scary) part is when your plane suddenly veers to the left and the left wing also dips. Since I was in 3A, I am looking face to face with the ground. We were probably more like one mile (or less) from touchdown. But in the heat of the moment it is easy to confuse things.

User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4771 times:

I've been in a half dozen or so go-arounds......its a real buzz when you are about 2000 ft from touchdown and hear the engines suddenly howl back to life.

As Pontiac used to say..."thats when the excitement REALLY BEGINS'...
safe



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4716 times:

Quoting traindoc (Thread starter):
We were on final approach to 08L and at about 2 miles out we suddenly veered left and the left wing dipped. We corrected and then the pilot gave it take off power and we did a go around

Sounds to me like he was asked to go around and offset, probably somebody didn't vacate the runway in time.

Quoting traindoc (Reply 2):
Thanks for the recommendation!

Well, did you look it up yet? I'm sure your answer is right there.


User currently offlinetraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

To Fly2HMO,

Not available yet, but still looking.


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 8):
Sounds to me like he was asked to go around and offset, probably somebody didn't vacate the runway in time.

At 2 miles out? Maybe if the aircraft on the runway was experiencing a problem or if it was still on short final, but if it was still rolling out, 2 miles seems like quite a distance.



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 10):
At 2 miles out? Maybe if the aircraft on the runway was experiencing a problem or if it was still on short final, but if it was still rolling out, 2 miles seems like quite a distance.

At 140kts 2 miles go by in well under a minute, and that's assuming OP's distance assumption is correct.


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 11):
At 140kts 2 miles go by in well under a minute

Depending if we're talking nautical or statue miles it would be about 45-50 seconds, still a ways out depending on how far along the other aircraft would be ... which is information we don't have. I'm not suggesting that your scenario is not correct, but more so suggesting that with out any information as to where another aircraft would be on the runway and visibility conditions at the time, it would be more of a case of spacing not another aircraft vacating the runway.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 11):
and that's assuming OP's distance assumption is correct.

That of course, is something we'll just have to assume  



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 10):
At 2 miles out? Maybe if the aircraft on the runway was experiencing a problem or if it was still on short final, but if it was still rolling out, 2 miles seems like quite a distance.

You're correct, 2 miles on final is a very long way from the threshold to be given a go-around unless something happened on the runway.

More than likely this flight was overtaking the preceeding airplane on final and there was no reason to have the flight continue all the way to the threshold so they were sent around early, possibly even before the preceeding arrival had landed.



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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3412 times:

Maybe he was doing S-turns for spacing, only to have to go around?

User currently offlinexero9 From Canada, joined Feb 2007, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

I'm no commercial pilot, but during flight training, if we were on short final and there was another plane either lined up on the runway, or on it's takeoff roll, my instructor would assume control and move off to the left side of the runway.

I don't know what happens in such a case with a commercial flight, but I'm assuming they'd offset themselves with the center of the runway. Perhaps the FO was in control at the time and so he veered left of the runway to stay clear of another aircraft.


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3176 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 13):
You're correct, 2 miles on final is a very long way from the threshold to be given a go-around unless something happened on the runway.

More than likely this flight was overtaking the preceeding airplane on final and there was no reason to have the flight continue all the way to the threshold so they were sent around early, possibly even before the preceeding arrival had landed.

I agree on that ... if an aircraft is on the runway rolling out, 2 miles still gives quite a bit of time to vacate. If aircraft would be doing such an early go around due to vacating aircraft, I wouldn't want to know the increase in flight delays would be like  

Now, this is a go-around with a vacating aircraft still on the active ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcmqy6UObLo

Quoting xero9 (Reply 15):
I'm no commercial pilot, but during flight training, if we were on short final and there was another plane either lined up on the runway, or on it's takeoff roll, my instructor would assume control and move off to the left side of the runway.

Interesting, during my flight training we never offset until after the go around was initiated.

Sadly, I've only been on 2 commerical flights with go-arounds ... both on 737s due to not having the runway visible at minimums. As a pilot, most of my non-training go-arounds were because the aircraft (usually a commercial flight) behind me was catching up so ATC asked if I could go-around and let the other flight in first. Guess its easier for them to get a lonely Cessna to do a quick go-around then a 737 or Dash 8  



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