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Air Canada Flight Attendants Serve Strike Notice  
User currently offlineAirCanada787 From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 287 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8511 times:

Air Canada's flight attendants have served their strike notice and will be in a position to strike as early as Wednesday. The two sides are currently talking with the 'help' of a federal mediator. Its believed by many if they do go on strike that the government will act quickly to introduce back-to-work legislation.

Air Canada has commented that if a strike occurs they will maintain some services with the help of their codeshare partners. The airline has also revised its ticket policy for anyone due to fly within the next six days.

Article from Globe and Mail:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...erve-strike-notice/article2169623/

AC Press Release about revised ticketing policy:
http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=470


Hopefully a strike can be averted, I have friends coming to visit next Thursday and they are supposed to be flying on AC from YYZ-YHZ.


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User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8422 times:

In related news, Air Canada customer satisfaction sky rockets, no one notices F/As gone, customers delightfully baffled.


Sorry, old impressions die hard.


User currently offlinescrubbsywg From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8416 times:

boo, I have my first vacation in two years starting the 24th to germany. Its aeroplan too so that will make it even more fun.

User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8396 times:

Quoting AirCanada787 (Thread starter):
Its believed by many if they do go on strike that the government will act quickly to introduce back-to-work legislation.

That's pretty much a given. Personally, I think the government should stay out of it. Both sides are very aware of the serious and long term implications to the industry, and the economy in general, if a strike lasts more than 2 or 3 days.



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8264 times:

Quoting TheCol (Reply 3):
Quoting AirCanada787 (Thread starter):
Its believed by many if they do go on strike that the government will act quickly to introduce back-to-work legislation.

That's pretty much a given. Personally, I think the government should stay out of it. Both sides are very aware of the serious and long term implications to the industry, and the economy in general, if a strike lasts more than 2 or 3 days.

Actually, Col, for once I tend to agree with you. But this is again a chance for Lisa Raitt to try to further repair her image in the Harper cabinet and possibly move out of Labour and into one of the primo slots the next time a shuffle occurs. Never discount the power of ego when governments get involved in things.

I'd tend to agree that this will last 2-4 days. The *A routes will be *mostly* covered by partner airlines, so the effect will be mostly domestic. Hope it doesn't go too long either way the outcome occurs: want to goto YWG to see the squeeze for Thanksgiving... There is WS, I suppose...



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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4638 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8117 times:

If the government put out back to work legislation within 48 hours of the Check-in/Gate agent strike even though the airline was more or less operating a full schedule, imagine how fast they'll intervene if the F/A's strike, or pilots or rampers.


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User currently offlinescrubbsywg From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8068 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 5):
If the government put out back to work legislation within 48 hours of the Check-in/Gate agent strike even though the airline was more or less operating a full schedule, imagine how fast they'll intervene if the F/A's strike, or pilots or rampers.

I read an article earlier saying they may just block it from happening in the first place.


User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1097 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7923 times:
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The thing with the Pilots/FA strikes however is that they can always work to rule which arguably would cause more disruption than ramp/CSR's working to rule. If the plane is running late and the crew goes over their duty day, flight cancelled. If the plane is in the air, divert to the nearest airport, regardless of where it is and if AC Serves it. Etc etc. Even if a strike gets blocked by the idiots in Ottawa at least they still can cause meaningful labour issues at AC by working to rule.


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User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1844 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7866 times:

Quoting scrubbsywg (Reply 2):
boo, I have my first vacation in two years starting the 24th to germany. Its aeroplan too so that will make it even more fun.

As per Air Canada's website, they are offering free rebooking on a space-available basis until December. I would guess this applies to Aeroplan too, and I would think you could circumvent the scarce Aeroplan availability. I would probably consider that myself if my dates weren't set in stone. Or, maybe you could get on a codeshare flight through this policy?


User currently offlineAirCanada787 From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7376 times:

It would seem that the union for the flight attendants has confirmed that they will strike on Wednesday if no deal is reached.


Link from Air Canada:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/news/trav_adv/labour_updates.html



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User currently offlinemultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7202 times:

Quoting AirCanada787 (Reply 9):
It would seem that the union for the flight attendants has confirmed that they will strike on Wednesday if no deal is reached.

They will be ordered back to work before they actually walk on the picket line.


User currently onlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2296 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7157 times:

Quoting multimark (Reply 10):
Quoting AirCanada787 (Reply 9):It would seem that the union for the flight attendants has confirmed that they will strike on Wednesday if no deal is reached.

They will be ordered back to work before they actually walk on the picket line.

  

With the current financial virus across the pond, the government can use it as an excuse to make the back to work legislation fast. Canadians are worried this round might have more of an impact and will likely not kick up any fuss and some might view it favourably.


User currently offlineAirCanada787 From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7119 times:

Quoting multimark (Reply 10):

They will be ordered back to work before they actually walk on the picket line.

So I assume that you mean the government will begin work on a bill to order them back to work before they ever go on strike?



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User currently offlinecslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 843 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7004 times:

Can AC's cabin crew do one day strikes like tube/railway workers in the UK?


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User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1097 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6917 times:
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Quoting AirCanada787 (Reply 12):
So I assume that you mean the government will begin work on a bill to order them back to work before they ever go on strike?

Won't be the first time, See the Jazz pilots and the AC CSR's and Rampies.



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User currently offlineidjim319 From Canada, joined Jul 2011, 47 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6736 times:

I think CUPE's strike will last a minute. There are ripple effects from airline strikes to the economy and Westjet cannot be expected to pick up the slack. Goods and services are affected and in the light that economists are now suggesting Canada will be the first to re-enter recession......well this strike will be crushed. If the feds leave this strike to run its course based on the current situation with Westjet being a very small player (almost all domestic), they'd be eventually need to regulate the whole industry to protect the country from strikes from one very dominant carrier. CUPE is playing with fire here. They may withdraw their services and damage the economy but the government can (and should I suggest) take steps that a country isn't pushed into recession from the actions of 6800 employees. Lets be clear. This does not make a flight attendant an essential service. I did it and it isn't rocket science. Yes thanks I know about the Air France crash. Some good training and bobs you're uncle. It still doesn't require Canadians to be held hostage.

User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6616 times:
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It always amazes me the union attitude, if we don't like our pay or benefits we can hold our employer hostage, they cant hire anyone else because its my right to work for the wage and benefits I want.


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User currently offlinequiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6509 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 16):
It always amazes me the union attitude, if we don't like our pay or benefits we can hold our employer hostage, they cant hire anyone else because its my right to work for the wage and benefits I want.

Absolutely. It should be a unilateral divine right for all employers to impose wages and work rules. The utter nerve of the unions!  


User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5162 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 17):
Absolutely. It should be a unilateral divine right for all employers to impose wages and work rules. The utter nerve of the unions!

Exactly! Air Canada's Flight Attendants presently work below poverty level wages for the first four years of their career. Apparently ... Air Canada feels that even lower wages are warranted!

Seriously, if one worked a 40 hour week, making minimum wages at McDonald's ... they would make more than a new hire Air Canada Flight Attendant.

Just edited to add ...

Also factor in that Air Canada paid $39M in bonuses to executives and managers so far this year! And, I recently flew with a new hire Flight Attendant on a GVA trip, and she mentioned to me that she likes the long trips, as that is the only chance she gets to eat full meals. She can't afford one at home ... mostly Ramen Noodles and KD!

She has a university degree and is fluent in four languages.

[Edited 2011-09-19 06:08:58]


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User currently offlinematt From Canada, joined May 1999, 700 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6386 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 18):
And, I recently flew with a new hire Flight Attendant on a GVA trip, and she mentioned to me that she likes the long trips, as that is the only chance she gets to eat full meals. She can't afford one at home ... mostly Ramen Noodles and KD!

She has a university degree and is fluent in four languages.

I can relate. I worked as a flight attendant and loved the long trips for the same reason. However, after a while, university degree in hand, I quit and got a job where my skills and qualifications were put to better use.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6151 times:

Luckily, I'm flying AC tomorrow and not Wednesday.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 18):
Exactly! Air Canada's Flight Attendants presently work below poverty level wages for the first four years of their career. Apparently ... Air Canada feels that even lower wages are warranted!

Yes. Shocking. Excellent point made.

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 17):
Absolutely. It should be a unilateral divine right for all employers to impose wages and work rules. The utter nerve of the unions!

Exactly. The anti-union attitude on this board 1) ignores reality and 2) really seems driven by a blind faith on voodoo economics.



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User currently offlineAirCanada787 From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6084 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 18):
Seriously, if one worked a 40 hour week, making minimum wages at McDonald's ... they would make more than a new hire Air Canada Flight Attendant.

I feel bad for these flight attendants. However, if one could really make more money by working at McDonald's then there is nothing preventing them from going and leaving Air Canada and working at McDonald's. Long term of course sticking with Air Canada means that a person will make far more than the average McDonald's employee. Does anyone know how much these new flight attendants make? On a news report I heard that they start at $21/hour. But I assume that would be only for time spend in the air. I know they have to show up earlier and perform other duties which they are paid for.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 18):
Also factor in that Air Canada paid $39M in bonuses to executives and managers so far this year!

I find that fact sickening that they will give themselves huge bonuses, yet ignore the people that do all the work at the airline. Typical corporate attitude.



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User currently offlineSafeFlyer From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 627 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6037 times:

Quoting AirCanada787 (Reply 21):
Does anyone know how much these new flight attendants make?

About 18K the first year. About $500 more the second.

Quoting AirCanada787 (Reply 21):
I know they have to show up earlier and perform other duties which they are paid for.

Incorrect, FA pay starts from brakes off until the brake in back on upon arrival. They are not paid during boarding or while perfoming safety checks/briefings.


User currently offlineconnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 933 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6016 times:

Quoting SafeFlyer (Reply 22):
About 18K the first year. About $500 more the second.

So Air Canada is contemplating on paying less than that to a flight-attendant ?


User currently offlineAirCanada787 From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5969 times:

Quoting SafeFlyer (Reply 22):
Quoting AirCanada787 (Reply 21):
I know they have to show up earlier and perform other duties which they are paid for.

Incorrect, FA pay starts from brakes off until the brake in back on upon arrival. They are not paid during boarding or while perfoming safety checks/briefings.

Sorry that was my mistake, I should have re-read my post. I meant to say that I knew they had to show up earlier and perform other duties for which they are not paid for.

Quoting SafeFlyer (Reply 22):
About 18K the first year. About $500 more the second.

Thanks for the info.



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25 YYCowboy : I am suprised at the low wages being offered, as presented on this post. Is it rethoric or true? During labour disputes, issues get distorted. Whats e
26 longhauler : Yes it is true. Then you think these wages are fair? You're kidding right?
27 YYCowboy : Longhauler: I don't know whats fair. Is this a life career or a job to satisify wander lust and get paid, that gets old after a few years? Something i
28 Post contains links AirCanada787 : Over the weekend the arbitrators decision came out with regards to the last labour issue at Air Canada, the CAW strike. In the decision the arbitrato
29 longhauler : I am a YYZ B767 Captain ... watching this from the sidelines. I predict back to work legislation. The government has been very clear about this from
30 connector4you : Perhaps when, or if, they are ever recruiting is always triggered by requirements to replenish a minimum number of flight-attendants per aircraft-typ
31 Post contains links AirCanada787 : A tentative deal has been reached, strike averted. Link from Air Canada: http://www.aircanada.com/en/news/trav_adv/labour_updates.html Link from CTV.c
32 flyyul : Longhauler - you are clearly in need of a reality check. Tell me which other airline in North America offers the following privileges: -The Highest W
33 zbbylw : You have got to be effing kidding! First off Longhauler does know what's going on. Your mentioning these higher wages than any other airline in Canad
34 flyyul : Pension issue: have you seen Air Canada's Balance Sheet. Our liabilities outweigh our assets, this means the company is in a precarious financial sit
35 longhauler : The F/As were not looking to increase wages at the top. They are looking to bring the bottom wages above the poverty level, on the B scale. Perhaps y
36 flyyul : $10B as in fuel, wages, and benefits? Since 2004, all new hires to Air Canada management are in in the Defined Contribution plan...and did you know t
37 longhauler : No quite the opposite, and that is the point I am making. Air Canada is not set up to make a profit because of all the other payments it makes which
38 flyyul : Beside fuel, it is the largest cost item The benchmark is Air Canada crew complement and ratio vs. other established legacy carriers. Air Canada crew
39 longhauler : But using your own example, it is better than BA. 14 F/As for 349 passengers at AC, vice 337 at BA. And for the majority of operations it is 10 F/As
40 flyyul : Prove this statement.
41 Viscount724 : The china dishes in Y class on CP disappeared well before 1999.
42 longhauler : Actually the casserole (hot part of the tray) was on china right up until the end. But, you are right, the actual CPAir method of placing all service
43 flyyul : Longhauler, You won't continue this conversation because you can't prove what you're saying. In fact, there are numerous instances where you're "fact
44 Skywatcher : I am an investor. As such, nobody in their right mind would purchase AC shares. Westjet and/or Air Transat possibly (they actually are usually profita
45 Viscount724 : When they put an ex-PWA person in charge of catering after the PWA acquisition of CP Air (creating Canadian Airlines), we knew the days of the very h
46 AC_B777 : Well, as an AC baggage handler who is at the top of the pay scale at AC, I can assure you, our salary is nowhere near 60K! The guy you know might mak
47 jerseyguy : Its not about what is fair, its about what F/As will accept. If they cant find F/As who will accept this wage they will have to offer a better one. T
48 NathanH : But without unions or the fear of unions, why wouldn't every company just offer the barest amount of pay and no benefits? As a matter of fact, I thin
49 multimark : How many times does longhauler have to explain to you that is a Transport Canada requirement?
50 YUL1975 : read the CUPE/AC collective agreement - crew complement other than 1 FA to 40 pax is contractually negotiated not mandated by TC
51 YUL1975 : It's unfortunate today's marketplace does not support the wages and benefits you enjoyed 10-20 years ago. Fact is other ground handling companies pro
52 quiet1 : So, you're saying that flyyul is totally misinformed and incorrect that the additional crew complement increases for ULH flights is in *NOT* mandated
53 abrelosojos : = Can you please clarify something? I thought AC has been able to obtain several "special" exemptions from Ottawa due to its erstwhile status to this
54 Post contains links abrelosojos : Can't believe AC management and AC line were battling about what brought the 1:40 ratio here when my curiosity got the better of me - Google is your f
55 captaingomes : That's exactly right. There are so many "managers" at AC simply to avoid unions. Many of the managers at AC do not have staff reporting to them. They
56 YTZ : I don't see what the issue is with AC being apparently top heavy if the managers are supposedly so underpaid. I strongly suspect that it is abrelosojo
57 Viscount724 : In general I find AC crews very good and in most cases better than most major European carriers. The same also applies to ground staff.
58 YTZ : Same here. I know it's fashionable for Canadians to bitch about AC. But honestly, AC is better than any airline in the USA. And better than most airl
59 cyeg66 : "Beep-----------beeep---------beep----beep--beep-beeeep-beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep." Interpret that in one of two (or both) ways. One, that you've found
60 abrelosojos : = I have had my share of travels and my comments were within my Canada travels. I found WS crew - especially ground crew to be FAR superior than AC.
61 connector4you : Honestly I fail to see how a baggage handler could prevent passengers to flee from AC to other competitors. Unless of course ... they don't like the
62 Post contains images czbbflier : And that's not just about this issue either. Meanwhile, I must share my observation that this has been a very enlightening debate. Thank you to Longh
63 sebring : Except that it hasn't "continuously eroded". Rollbacks occured in conjunction with the bankruptcy restructuring of 2003-04. Pilots took the biggest h
64 YXXMIKE : So where does AC go from where they are today? I know they have a goal of creating a subsidiary low cost not unlike JQ but will they have the ability
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