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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 941 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 23766 times:

Good afternoon all. Australian Aviation Thread #53 (by TN486 Aug 20 2011 in Civil Aviation) we discussed the following:
Virgin FF scheme revamped.
New CEO for TT
Krispy Kreme doughnuts on JQ
Network sourcing the 10 F100 from Avianca
QF new FF partner OPTUS
Strategic rebranding as Air Australia
QF now upgrading interior of the 9 retained 744
QF 767GE ac to receive in seat IFE, with a rumour of a wider cabin refresh
ADL to see increase in SQ service during summer
Cathay dropping MEL tag on 3 of the ADL - HKG flights
Plenty of discussion re QF international restructure.
I am off to Perth tomorrow (Monday) travelling DJ returning Thu evening. Looking forward to seeing how the culture and service has changed, and hoping I get one of the ac with the new livery.
Enjoy your robust discussion in this new thread


remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5004 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23691 times:

TWU Union members taking industrial action this coming Tuesday...

Qantas worker's from all states will stop work for 4 hours between 7am to 11am...

Will be interesting to see what the manager's have up their sleeves to prevent disruptions...

EK413



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User currently offlineVHSMM From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 23544 times:

Very, very busy at Sydney International Terminal yesterday.

At 8:30am the queue to get through immigration stretched out into the land-slide terminal. It was kept moving, but a very long wait.



Flown: 727,737,747,757,767,777,DC9,DC10,A300,A319,20,21,A330,A340,A380,CRJ-200,BAe146,AVRO100,Saab340B,MD82,F100,Dash8
User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 23458 times:

Quoting TN486 (Thread starter):
Cathay dropping MEL tag on 3 of the ADL - HKG flights

rephrased better:

new HKG-ADL-HKG (CX173/174) 3x weekly, HKG-ADL-MEL-HKG (CX104/105) reduced to 4x weekly from 1x daily and HKG-MEL-HKG (CX134/135, CX163/168 + new CX194/195 3x weekly) going to 17 weekly (currently 14x weekly) - direct/non-stop capacity increases at both ports.


User currently offlinedlnz From New Zealand, joined Jul 2011, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 23070 times:

Here is the next installment of the DL/VA alliance - Just through on email from the Delta newsroom:

News Release Issued: September 18, 2011 8:00 PM EDT
Delta, Virgin Australia Trans-Pacific Codeshare to Launch in November
Trans-Pacific codeshare services on sale Sept. 19 for travel beginning Nov. 6; V Australia to arrive at Delta's Los Angeles T5 terminal to improve connectivity
ATLANTA and SYDNEY, Sept. 18, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) and Virgin Australia Airlines (ASX: VBA) today announced two major milestones of their recently approved joint venture: an expanded codesharing agreement on flights between the United States and Australia, and an enhanced customer experience in Los Angeles.
(Logo: http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20101123/CL04792LOGO )
Codeshare service will be available for sale beginning Sept. 19, 2011, for travel effective Nov. 6, 2011. Under the agreement, Delta will add its code to all flights between Los Angeles and the Australian cities Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane, operated by V Australia, Virgin Australia's long-haul international carrier. V Australia will add its code to Delta's service between Los Angeles and Sydney.
For customers, the expanded codesharing means more options when booking trans-Pacific travel on Delta or V Australia, as well as benefits such as accrual of frequent flier miles and premium lounge access regardless of which airline operates the flight.
To further improve the customer experience, from November, flights operated by V Australia will arrive at Delta's Terminal 5 at Los Angeles International Airport. This will allow for easier and faster connections within the same terminal to the rest of Delta's network, as well as access to new customs and immigration facilities in Terminal 5.

Great news for both airlines My understanding is that the VA SYD-LAX service will be rescheduled to an afternoon departure, with DL16 remaining a morning departure ex-SYD. It's great to see the alliance moving toward a full joint-venture structure by year end. Exciting times.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5004 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 22708 times:

Probably slightly off the topic but any update photos on VH - OQA Nancy Bird...

EK413



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User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 22363 times:

TT's grounding resulted in 80k/ 4% reduction in MEL's domestic numbers in August.

YE Aug 2011

531,842 (11.5%)
1, 761,929 (-4%)
total: 2,293,771 (-1%)

http://www.melbourneairport.com.au/N...al-growth-sustained-in-August.html


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 22360 times:

If QF and JQ could not make MEL-HNL work, how will Air Australia make it work and what will they do different ? I hope it is successful for them and if it is watch QF jump back on and start doing direct MEL-HNL.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5004 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 22209 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 7):
watch QF jump back on and start doing direct MEL-HNL

More like watch JQ jump back on and start doing MEL-HNL....

EK413



Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We are tonight’s entertainment!
User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 841 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 22178 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):
Probably slightly off the topic but any update photos on VH - OQA Nancy Bird...

I've heard that repairs are going very well, Nancy will be sent for reconfiguration by early January and be back in service sooner rather than later.

BZF



Ansett Australia - (was) One of the worlds great airlines!
User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 22148 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 7):
If QF and JQ could not make MEL-HNL work, how will Air Australia make it work and what will they do different ? I hope it is successful for them and if it is watch QF jump back on and start doing direct MEL-HNL.

It's not so much that JQ couldn't make MEL-HNL work, it was more that they couldn't make both MEL-HNL and SYD-HNL work together. They decided to cut MEL for a more frequent and heavily loaded SYD flight. I doubt that JQ/QF will be coming back to MEL-HNL -- it's seriously not going to be enough money to validate the time/effort when there are other opportunities that will make them more money. VC isn't a serious threat because they capture zero business market and there is zero loyalty associated with them.


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1552 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 21984 times:

Quoting TN486 (Thread starter):
QF 767GE ac to receive in seat IFE, with a rumour of a wider cabin refresh

The following quote came from this article:

'Qantas is also introducing Marc Newson-designed leather business class seats in a new claret colour scheme and it already has Newson-styled Weber economy seats designed to provide extra legroom in all its new 737-800s'.

Are QF really introducing leather seats in business? Will they be moving to standardise the seats they currently have on their domestic fleet?

Has anyone tried the new J seats fitted to the A330s? How do they compare to the millennium seats of old and the new J seats on the Jetconnect 738s?

What else can we expect from this wider cabin refresh?


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 21793 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 11):
'Qantas is also introducing Marc Newson-designed leather business class seats in a new claret colour scheme and it already has Newson-styled Weber economy seats designed to provide extra legroom in all its new 737-800s'.

Are QF really introducing leather seats in business? Will they be moving to standardise the seats they currently have on their domestic fleet?

Probably. Given that Virgin Australia has leather business class seats on its 330s and soon all its 738 fleet.


User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 21598 times:

Any news on QF rolling out the new seats/IFE onto the original domestic B73H fleet? With another 15ish new B73Hs due for delivery over the next 18 months you would think it would make sense to have a standard product across the entire B73H fleet??

[Edited 2011-09-21 01:32:34]

User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 21593 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 11):
Are QF really introducing leather seats in business? Will they be moving to standardise the seats they currently have on their domestic fleet?

It appears that they are, though there are no planes currently in service with leather seats in J (or Y for that matter...) I expect that this is preempting a day when a JQ 787 will be easily converted to be a QF domestic 787 and vice versa as market dynamics change/shift. And I would expect them to roll this seat out across the entire domestic fleet -- I guess they are waiting to see what comes of the iPad trials to settle on whether integrated IFE or other forms is best before they so big scale 738 retrofits though.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 11):
Has anyone tried the new J seats fitted to the A330s? How do they compare to the millennium seats of old and the new J seats on the Jetconnect 738s?

I have, albeit on a short MEL-SYD hop. I was pleasantly surprised thb -- I was expecting the seat to be quite narrow (based on the 7 abreast configuration) but it was perfectly acceptable width wise (not as much space between shoulders at the window pair, which I found to be the biggest drawback -- I felt a lot closer to the fellow sitting beside me). Big leap over the millenium seats, and I felt much more comfortable/relaxed. The headrest/back seem to have been changed too -- I found that the Jetconnect seats ended a bit low, but with the new ones I was able to adjust the headrest to the perfect spot and not have my shoulders sticking above the top of the seat... And gate to gate IFE = big win in my books!

I imagine on a SYD-PER I'd rather have the older A330 seats/Jetconnect J seats though. The feeling of space is much better, and the cabin feels a bit more relaxed (the new one was a bit too Y-like)... Hopefully their new seats in the A330s will be a 2-2-2 version of the latest one! (wow that was a long post about very little! - sorry!)


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5004 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 21564 times:

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 9):
Nancy will be sent for reconfiguration by early January

Reconfiguration??? I was under the impression the NEW configurations would commence with the NEW delivered A380's...?

EK413



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 21534 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 15):
Reconfiguration??? I was under the impression the NEW configurations would commence with the NEW delivered A380's...?

All existing A380s will have an increase from 450 to 484 seats, I can't remember the exact configuration by class though.


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1552 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 21410 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 16):
All existing A380s will have an increase from 450 to 484 seats, I can't remember the exact configuration by class though.

Will there be an increase in Cabin Crew on-board?

Also just a thought, with MEL-LAX and MEL-SIN-LHR moving to A380s and MEL-HKG being re-timed and moved to A330s, this will mean the end of scheduled QF 744s service into MEL, unless some PER-MEL flights are operated by 744s. Shame really, this time next year T2 in MEL will be purely airbus for QF.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 13):
Any news on QF rolling out the new seats/IFE onto the original domestic B73H fleet? With another 15ish new B73Hs due for delivery over the next 18 months you would think it would make sense to have a standard product across the entire B73H fleet??

Consistency is one of their weakness at the moment, I think they will have to invest in them soon. Perhaps after the recent August announcements it would be too soon to announce a capital intensive refit like this (Although all QF staff I have ever spoken with have deplored the lack of product investment by QF compared with their competitors). I think we may see an anouncement early next year sometime, perhaps when the results of the 767 Ipad test are revieled.


Quoting qf002 (Reply 14):
I imagine on a SYD-PER I'd rather have the older A330 seats/Jetconnect J seats though. The feeling of space is much better, and the cabin feels a bit more relaxed (the new one was a bit too Y-like)... Hopefully their new seats in the A330s will be a 2-2-2 version of the latest one! (wow that was a long post about very little! - sorry!)

No I enjoyed it! lol If everyone feels the same as your perhaps refitting the 767s with these seats as well would help, insead of an integrated IFE, they could simply have a slot for an ipad to slide in and even charge?


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 21345 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 16):
All existing A380s will have an increase from 450 to 484 seats, I can't remember the exact configuration by class though.

There was talk of removing of the last 2 rows of J (reduction from 72 to 60 seats), then the filling of the upper deck with W... That seems to be too many seat in W though to get up to 484. 2 rows of J (at 80") = 4 rows of W (at 40") and that means an overall increase of only 16 (to 466). I think that you're getting confused with their announced configuration for the final 8 'post-2012' aircraft, which were announced to be in 3 class... That is likely scrapped now, and all 14 birds will probably be 4 class planes (unless those last 2 569t birds are dedicated to a specific 3 class route -- say DFW for example  )


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 21316 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 18):
There was talk of removing of the last 2 rows of J (reduction from 72 to 60 seats), then the filling of the upper deck with W... That seems to be too many seat in W though to get up to 484. 2 rows of J (at 80") = 4 rows of W (at 40") and that means an overall increase of only 16 (to 466).

Like I say I can't remember exactly but the existing fleet AFAIK are getting an increase to 484 from 450 still as planned.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 17):
Also just a thought, with MEL-LAX and MEL-SIN-LHR moving to A380s and MEL-HKG being re-timed and moved to A330s, this will mean the end of scheduled QF 744s service into MEL, unless some PER-MEL flights are operated by 744s.

It seems that way for now unless as you say some MEL-PER flights or some other flight ex MEL gets 744s.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 21172 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 17):
Shame really, this time next year T2 in MEL will be purely airbus for QF.

 Wow! That is a very strange concept to me! QF always seems to Boeing oriented, but they really aren't any more...

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 17):
No I enjoyed it! lol If everyone feels the same as your perhaps refitting the 767s with these seats as well would help, insead of an integrated IFE, they could simply have a slot for an ipad to slide in and even charge?

I enjoyed it too! I like the sound of those iPad slots -- what would be great is a swing out arm-dock so that the iPad could be used as a normal IFE screen as well as handheld. The more I think about it, the more I love the concept of domestic IFE being predominantly tablet based - what do we all think?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5004 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 21160 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 20):
Quoting smi0006 (Reply 17):
Shame really, this time next year T2 in MEL will be purely airbus for QF.

Wow! That is a very strange concept to me! QF always seems to Boeing oriented, but they really aren't any more...

Did we forget the B787 when and if it joins the QF fleet ! lol

EK413



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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 21049 times:

BNE airport new domestic car park which will be 8 levels high is nearing completion.

See below

http://www.archdaily.com/69219/uap-n...etic-artwork-for-brisbane-airport/

Also Aeropelican are increasing BNE flights to double daily Mon-Fri to Narrabri.

Aeropelican will increase BNE to double daily MON-FRI.

AEROPELICAN will further increase the number of services to Narrabri in October.
The airline has announced that from October 17, Narrabri will be served by three daily return flights to Sydney on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays with the addition of a midday service on those days.
And the Narrabri Brisbane service will be increased to a twice-daily service Monday to Friday.
The extra services means that Narrabri will have 52 flights per week to the major metropolitan centres on the east coast, a service unmatched by any other NSW regional centre of Narrabri’s size.
The additional services are being scheduled to meet continually growing demand for air travel to and from Narrabri. The growing volume of passengers now using Narrabri Airport gives added impetus to the Shire Council’s plans for an upgrade to the Airport Terminal and Airport infrastructure.
“The increase in activity from the Narrabri communities, industries and businesses is encouraging Aeropelican to commit further to its Narrabri network by not only increasing its frequency from Sydney for the second time in twelve months, but also opening its first base out of New South Wales with its Brisbane operation” commented Fabrice Binet, Business Development Manager for Aeropelican Air Services

Another board has the 2 new 717's for Qantaslink are coming from Mexican Click and will be BNE based and are due soon.

The amount of Fifo flights out of BNE is expanding rapidly with up to 25 flights departing on the busier days.


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 21042 times:

Also Brisbane's northern domestic apron is currently being expanded by at least 20 parking bays and currently looks like a desert with so much sand .This work will be completed by the end of 2012 .It is a massive expansion of the northern apron and is apart of 4 billion of works planned over the next 10 years.

User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 20772 times:

To the person who was asking after VH-VXB (the Yananyi Dreaming 737) in the last thread -- it is back in service as of today with no changes to livery (according to QF Source, anyway)

25 Post contains images Zkpilot : No, in fact the less F or J an aircraft has often the less crew it has as there are a higher ratio of crew for Premium than for W and Y. With W expan
26 ZuluAlpha : Also a possibility, the replacement of the Alliance wet lease for the BNE ROK and BNE MKY
27 Post contains images thegeek : I can't imagine that a same plane SYD-HKG-LHR A380 service wouldn't be well patronised, especially if connection timings were sorted for MEL and part
28 tayser : QF dumps HKG-LHR tag from MEL-HKG, downgardes MEL-HKG-MEL to 330, CX starts de-linking HKG-ADL-MEL-HKG and will no doubt eventually be 3x daily direct
29 Post contains images qf002 : But then it appears that F goes out quite full a lot of the time as well (and Y is often very full as well). I think we need some A389's here pronto
30 Zkpilot : A lot of them would be upgrades from a full J... But yes A389s would be good (provided they have the range to do LAX-MEL or SIN-LHR). Why BKK? Thaila
31 alangirvan : And of course, many of those CX passengers from MEL will be travelling on to London or other European cities, like FRA, or other European cities not
32 qf002 : I'm not convinced that's entirely true (I have a friend who works for QF but doesn't give much away), but I'm sure there's some element of that happe
33 VH-BZF : Australia has been bombarded with new International capacity - 26% increase in international capacity over the past 12 months, the next Country with
34 eaglefarm4 : Obviously VH-BZF you weren't around in the 60's and 70's when Qantas turned up at all bilateral meetings and vetoed many foreign airlines from flying
35 IndianicWorld : ^^ I agree. Protectionism was QFs main weapon, and it's good that other carriers are now able to come in and serve routes people want to fly. The bene
36 smi0006 : In fairness to Qantas though, promoting and lobbying for protectionism is almost a legal requirement. Protection would be in the best intrest of the
37 IndianicWorld : ^^ True. The tide has turned against it these days though, with govt's largely unwilling to listen to their concerns or opinions. They once had much m
38 qf002 : The kicker being that they're not likely to be QF tails. They will be JQ and (insert name of new Asian airline) tails. As for the LHR slots -- person
39 Post contains links eaglefarm4 : Qantaslink today announced extra flights in Queensland from BNE and TSV as well as the basing of 2 717'S early in 2012 at Brisbane . Full article from
40 qf744fan : There's been stories thrown around in the west that QF are seriously considering PER - LHR nonstop once the 787's come into the fold. Obviously as th
41 CXfirst : I hope that becomes true. Virgin Atlantic had a press release stating PER would be one of their first 787 routes, but that was a long time ago, and I
42 thegeek : Can't give much credence to that. No planned 787 would have the range for such an ULH flight. I think it would need to be a 787-10 MTOW with a -8 or
43 qf002 : That's the only situation by which I can see QF 787s in LHR. I would love as SYD-PER-LHR service, but QF isn't that adventurous and the time savings
44 eaglefarm4 : Boeing 787 to visit SYD,MEL next month. Article in today's Australian newspaper.
45 Post contains links tayser : ^ here's the article: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...liner/story-e6frg95x-1226152121760
46 Post contains links qf002 : More details at AusBT. This is very exciting -- can't wait to go see it! Any idea if we'll be able to go inside?
47 Post contains links cwalt2 : The Australian government has signed an open skies agreement with Japan that will enable Australian and Japanese airlines to fly directly between Aust
48 Post contains images mariner : Plus this: " It also makes it possible for Australian airlines to fly beyond Japan to third countries for the first time – including key markets su
49 ZuluAlpha : Then those carriers will just have to try and obtain 5th freedom rights to those onward destinations beyong Japan
50 eaglefarm4 : Also expect changes in NLK flights from late Feb.
51 gemuser : Interestingly enough Australian carriers have had rights from Japan & else where to the USA, from the USA, but not from Japan, since the original
52 JMM99 : BNE & MEL passengers hate going to SYD to fly anywhere. Don't understand why QF don't get this. If VC make HNL work then surely the JQ 332 that g
53 alangirvan : Noting that Air Asia X is talking about the joint venture with ANA, and operations from Japan to Guam and HNL - I take it that eventually Jetstar Japa
54 IndianicWorld : Yes, its been brought up over and over on here. We know that and they likely know that, but sometimes other considerations need to be taken into acco
55 Post contains images qf002 : Not if it doesn't make them more money. There is a fundamental reason why QF/JQ have a focused operation in SYD, and while I think it would be nice t
56 FlyboyOz : I have read an article somewhere that Air AsiaX will fly to SYD soon.
57 IndianicWorld : ^^ They want to, and have wanted to for quite a while. With the new AK/D7-MH deal, it only makes sense now that they weill get rights to fly into SYD
58 vaustralie : It would be nice to see D7 at SYD...
59 FlyboyOz : Air Asia doesn't fly to SYD at the present but it's odd why Air AsiaX advertise airfares sales on the NSW newspapers. lol
60 zkncj : Because people will make there own way to OOL to get the cheap fares on Air AsiaX. Just like Air Aisa X markets it fares in AKL, but flys out of CHC
61 FlyboyOz : Yeah there is no codeshare with the domestic airlines to OOL. I don't think that it's very wise.
62 Post contains images vaustralie : Are there any dates confirmed for this yet?? And when they'll announce it if they haven't? And according to the source posted below you they are look
63 IndianicWorld : ^^ OOLs issue is apparently yields. D7s CEO stated that a while back.
64 Post contains images qf002 : Not sure 'nice' is the world I'd use But it is good to see some serious LCC competition firing up in SYD. If it wasn't wise then they wouldn't still
65 Flyingsottsman : I was woundering if that was going to happen, seems like only a matter of time before QF pull out of HNL and give it to JQ,Jetstar is fast becomming
66 Post contains images qf002 : That rumor's been around for years though, and QF just seem to keep on going... It seemed like a matter of time back in 2007 (I think?) when JQ start
67 Zkpilot : Yes but to be fair, LAX-MEL is one of the longest flights in the world... esp with winds its almost ULH. Economically it didn't really make much sens
68 thegeek : 77W is restricted on LAX-MEL isn't it? I'd say it's 744ER, 77L or A380 territory. UA only fly LAX-MEL seasonally, FWIW. That plane is efficient on lon
69 koruman : A warm welcome back to Realdeal/Simplicity! I have just returned from HNL, where year on year visitor numbers from Australia were reported in the loc
70 thegeek : 77W is restricted on LAX-MEL isn't it? I'd say it's 744ER, 77L or A380 territory. UA only fly LAX-MEL seasonally, FWIW. That plane is efficient on lon
71 FlyboyOz : Sorry, i mean it's not convenient for the pax to transfer the aircraft. Air AsiaX pax will not be able to make it if the domestic plane is delayed. T
72 qf002 : They funnel their LAX and SFO flights into a single daily tag SYD-MEL. They don't fly nonstop LAX-MEL at any time of the year. Never said that the 76
73 ditzyboy : UA has indeed operated MEL via AKL, then non-stop, then as a tag from SYD as you mention. Even after the SYD tag, there has been seasons or periods o
74 tayser : Yes, they have in the past. 2 or 3 years ago for a period of 6-8 weeks (Mid Dec to Mid Feb IIRC) they did fly LAX-MEL non-stop - no doubt to move peo
75 qf002 : While that may be the case, it can hardly be regarded as a 'seasonal operation'. On this point (not sure if any others have seen this yet) -- the Her
76 Post contains images TruemanQLD : dont forget ECONOMICS
77 thegeek : What would you call it? Ad Hoc perhaps?
78 Zkpilot : The 77W has better range than a 744ER and since it can hold so much cargo it often might not need all that space hence less likely to be weight restr
79 qf002 : I'd just say that UA have a complicated history of serving MEL. There's not really a name to describe random operations one year then not the next, t
80 Zkpilot : Source? Never heard that before. Often take a hit to MEL, and when the winds are bad often don't fly completely full (also don't take cargo), and div
81 Post contains images qf002 : Hmmm, could have sworn that I read somewhere when this route was announced a couple of years ago that the 77W would have trouble going out at max pay
82 tayser : not another one who likes to split hairs on this forum... it happened over a season in one year, therefore it was seasonal... christ! in place of add
83 thegeek : Instead. IIRC the tag didn't operate while the LAX-MEL direct flight was operating, which meant you needed to go via LAX to do SFO-MEL on UA. Might h
84 Post contains images qf002 : Um, while I don't particularly want to get into this -- a seasonal flight is a flight that regularly operates for a specific period of the year, not
85 shnoob940 : Which routes from BNE? gibbo
86 ditzyboy : ROK and MKY mainly. There's rumours of limited GLT operations too. Previously, 717s have operated ex-BNE to ROK, MKY, PPP, HTI, TSV, CNS and ISA I us
87 qf002 : QF is increasing frequency on the SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD rotation -- adding two flights per week on January 15th 2012, then moving to daily some time in July
88 SCL767 : LAN continues to increase its relations with its fellow oneworld Alliance partners. IASC recently confirmed the Qantas/LAN codeshare application. The
89 aflyingkiwi : Good to hear the recent rumors are true. Daily by July is quite a bold step but good to see nonetheless. It seems QF are doing quite well on this rou
90 ZK-NBT : When UA first did LAX-MEL non stop operated from December 1999 till April 2001 UA also ran daily LAX-AKL with a 744 meaning 4 daily 744 down under, M
91 thegeek : Did the seasonal LAX-MEL direct only happen for a single year? I have to admit I didn't know that.
92 qf002 : Regular operations up to March 2001 and then again in Summer 2008/9 (December 17th 2008 through to February 1st is the dates that Google is throwing
93 tayser : yep, they certainly have. I was on it back in March and diverted to SYD.
94 EK413 : Considering it's QF's home base and majority of the fleet / parts are in SYD the travelling public need to accept it... I agree BNE and MEL are proba
95 tayser : the travelling public do not need to accept it, they can simply choose a better option - and they do except for where SYD is completely unavoidable a
96 Post contains images vaustralie : Any chance of them coming to any other east coast ports? MEL, CBR, SYD etc? I want to fly one Also, a question.. With JL receiving it's first 787 soo
97 koruman : I accept it, as a frequent flyer based part-way between Brisbane and the Gold Coast. And I respond to it by directing my $100K+ of long-haul tickets
98 Post contains images vaustralie : BNE and MEL have a wide selection apart from Qantas. So I agree with you, take someone who can get you there without going through SYD... As you say,
99 The Coachman : Here we go again. We've been through this before. They bought enough 787's to do it - but is it QF's fault they are late? In any event, you think the
100 RyanairGuru : To be fair to Koruman it is probably more high yielding: the wealthy Chinese fly CX, leaving QF to fight for the remainder.
101 koruman : It most certainly is Qantas' decision to divert the 787 fleet to Jetstar rather than using it to offer point-to-point services from Brisbane and Melb
102 gemuser : Then we may assume QF expect to make more profit by doing that than doing what you want. That seems a very reasonable thing for a commerical orginisa
103 JMM99 : isn't it likely whenever QF 787's come online, that BNE/LAX might become 1 x 787 some days & 2 x 787's busy days or instead of 2nd BNE/LAX , BNE/S
104 qf002 : BNE-LAX is currently 6 weekly 744, so it's a route that will probably go to daily 789 in 5 years. IMO a BNE-DFW service once SYD goes nonstop in both
105 JMM99 : Wouldn't BNE/LAX go back to daily as soon as a 787 available ? With VA 4 times a week, QF must have lost some market share BNE/LAX but won't 787's ha
106 koruman : I'm not aware of any airline ever having made more money using wide-body aircraft for long-haul LCC services than they could have made as a full-serv
107 JMM99 : Huh ? JQ is certainly a profit centre, QF Int is certainly not.
108 thegeek : That's not a priority. The 787s should be used for their expansion plans, but what you are suggesting would be a reduction in capacity. It could be 4
109 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I agree. The 747s (even at 6 weekly) are fine for the route. There should be much bigger (growth) priorities for the 787. However this is Qantas so i
110 qf002 : Yes -- that's what I'm saying. Daily 789 in 5 years (which is when they will realistically have the aircraft to assign to the route). QF aren't getti
111 Post contains images TruemanQLD : Wow, how many times have we heard this and had this discussion? Lets all move on, it is a bit like the QF and the 777 debate. It isnt going to happen
112 thegeek : It's not like that at all. Unless QF goes broke there is no reason why they couldn't serve other Australian cities better than they do regarding inte
113 The Coachman : I don't know of any other carrier who has actually tried it so this is an experiment in many ways. With QF's high cost base, long thin routes don't w
114 EK413 : Ask AJ... His the man with all the brilliant idea's... Well done... I choose to fly carriers such as TG & EK so don't have a go at me I'm just ma
115 The Coachman : The customer is king. If they don't want to go via SYD and there are options, then they can and will take those other options. The customer who takes
116 747m8te : Actually, VA hasn't really tapped QFs market share on the route at all, what has seen a major reduction is the passengers connecting on the likes of
117 EK413 : Cheers for your detailed response... I understand the customer comes first and in your case is King... This once again is QF choice to tunnel all pax
118 FlyboyOz : Qantas is now looking for a fashion designer for the new uniform. Silver uniform is a short-live!! Why is it that??? Also Qantas B744 will have new Ai
119 thegeek : Which is exactly what I was alluding to. Say, for example, I want to fly MEL-PVG, I can use Air China or China Eastern direct, or put up with flying
120 gemuser : This is the bit I dispute. How do you know it would be QFs bread & butter? I think by their actions they are saying they don't think it is and th
121 thegeek : I was more thinking of the international business. Even so, I guess you do have a point. I am assuming there is more profit in flying an A380 to LHR
122 Ben175 : In the paper yesterday, Perth Airport included a large 10-12 page article on the redevelopment beginning now. Exciting times ahead!
123 qf002 : The 6 B744ER's are already fitted with the Boeing Signature Interior, and the additional 3 aircraft (which are currently in the old interior) will ha
124 RyanairGuru : To rephrase what I think thegeek was getting at: QF51/52 clearly operates to interline with LHR/FRA, with O&D a secondary objective. In that case
125 TN486 : "tomorrow" was Sep 19. Ac was YIB, (flt 685 seat 29A) and the return was YIA,(flight 694 again seat 29A). very impressed with the interior, mood ligh
126 thegeek : Yes, exactly. Moving these flights to coordinate better would have a negligible effect on the O&D pax, but help with the connecting pax. Great ad
127 sydscott : Doesn't the BNE-SIN flight operate onwards to India? So maybe it's a case of needing the aircraft on the ground in SIN a bit longer to prepare it for
128 thegeek : That's possible, but the BOM flight could be done in other ways - either tag from PER-SIN or SYD-ADL-SIN. And I'm fairly sure these issues pre-date t
129 Flyingsottsman : I agree, we will for ever have this debate but unless you live in Sydney many other international carriers offer better service than our own national
130 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Actually no. You are correct in that QF51/52 operates BNE-SIN-BOM-SIN-BNE three times a week, but it is a 'change of gauge service' akin to SYD-LAX-J
131 qf002 : It is done with the inbound QF81 and QF71 aircraft -- this has always been the case, even before QF51 BNE-SIN went to 744 operation.
132 Post contains links Auchmithie : CorrLast week both VH-QPC and VH-QPH operated Mumbai flights. Their movements were as follows: 01/10/2011 VH-QPC A330-300 QF88 Hong Kong Sydney 02/10
133 alangirvan : I was interested to read Bruce Buchanan's comments on what the A320NEOs will do for Jetstar - examples were SYD/MEL to Bali, where the Neos would have
134 JMM99 : Think Qantas needs to try & work out where pax landing in LAX are actually heading. Not that easy these days as many are getting separate tickets
135 vhqpa : @JMM89 Here is the REALDEAL SYD-DEN might be doable but there no way anything can take off from a high altitude airport then battle transpacific heads
136 RyanairGuru : The runway at EGE is 8,000' which I'm thinking is definitely too short for a full A330 departing at altitude. And NAN would never work: the aircraft
137 qf002 : Oh great, I've always wanted for there to be more long international flights using NBs! Well over half of them are staying in LAX/California. So what
138 Post contains links cwalt2 : Virgin Australia wants to add as many as 46 international destinations through its planned codeshare alliance with Singapore Airlines/SilkAir. Points
139 Flyingsottsman : It is one of the most beautiful States in the US been there a few times. Or I wounder if QF brought back San Francisco and added Denver as a tag on.
140 RyanairGuru : DEN is a UA hub, with AA only linking it to its hubs. While its importance in the New United's network is slightly diminished (UA are ceasing DEN-LHR
141 qf002 : Have any QF insiders heard anything about the unveiling of the new B744ER configuration? I was told that plans were for some sort of media event today
142 Post contains images vhqpa : I'm pretty sure the largest aircraft that can use EGE is a 757-200 and even then I doubt It could make in any further then the 48 contiguous states.
143 Zkpilot : Didn't realise that SQ flies to Sao Paulo? what routing does this take as surely it is too far direct.
144 cwalt2 : If I'm not mistaken it must be SQ's Singapore-Barcelona-Sao Paulo service.
145 alangirvan : Looking at Great Circle Mapper shows that flying from SYD to Sao Paulo via SIN increases the distance by some 93%. Who would want to travel twice the
146 JMM99 : just heard a rumour that one of Australian travel agency groups is getting into airline charter, using scheduled carriers. Apparently no need to adver
147 RyanairGuru : Interesting concept, but I'm honestly not sure how successful it would be... As for the "travel agency group" surely FCL is the only one only remotel
148 mariner : It's been quite successful in Europe and the US. In the US, Apple Vacations had it's own airline for several years - USA3000 - which, at its peak, ha
149 alangirvan : Obviously the SQ schedule, but VA is supposed to have a JV with EY. EY would be daily into BNE, but I think they have reached the limits of what they
150 qf002 : I think it's very telling that VA has decided not to open up their direct BNE-AUH service as planned -- either the partnership hasn't been as success
151 JMM99 : Flight Centre is not only big group in Australia. There have been amalgamations lately. They would only do it in peak season, when scheduled carriers
152 mariner : That's the whole point. As I explained - or tried to - Apple Vacations is changing to long term charter because of the intense seasonality of the bus
153 JMM99 : Do you mean long term charter, seasonally ? It seems to only make sense when fares are high, ie peak season.
154 mariner : Of course. Frontier will fly more aircraft for Apple during northern winter (Apple's high season) than in northern summer (its low season). This work
155 JMM99 : Qantas grounding 5 aircraft for a month, 4 x 737's & 1 x 767. This is getting ugly. With 5 aircraft out, then surely not an many engineers needed
156 alangirvan : When Commercial Aviation was very tightly controlled, there were US carriers called Supplementals, that operated almost like JMM99 is describing. I th
157 TN486 : Do you have an authoratative source for this comment? You should be aware that TT made this claim, investigated by ACCC and TT have now been made to
158 JMM99 : Yes what a joke the ACCC have become. As if they haven't got something more important to look at. Fares went through the roof without Tiger, probably
159 jupiter2 : You still haven't substantiated your claims, if what you say had been true, then TT would not have been made to apologise and the offending carriers
160 JMM99 : Don't need to, it's common knowledge. TT's problem, is because hard to prove on paper as airfare availability changes by the microsecond, as you full
161 Post contains links sydscott : In the spirit of debate I thought I would share this with everyone. http://www.businessday.com.au/busine...-international-20111014-1lo1o.html It's wri
162 koruman : The idea of nationalising Qantas International is actually the most sensible proposal for the airline that I have heard for a long time. People on thi
163 The Coachman : Is QF's core long-haul task merely between Europe and Australia? Why is the number of European tourists getting lower? The European economy is the we
164 JMM99 : why would they even want to cook the books. You seem to think business class makes all the money, it doesn't. Otherwise we wouldn't be seeing all the
165 TruemanQLD : Wow, havent we heard this before? Where are your facts? You dont have any! Yes QF invested heavily, and still does, in Jetstar, but that is no differ
166 RyanairGuru : And you seem to think that low-yielding leisure traffic (preferably to ski fields) makes all the money. It similarly doesn't. The simple truth is rig
167 Post contains links and images mariner : I am enchanted by the idea of re-nationalizing Qantas, as in todays SMH - which doesn't mean I think it is a good idea: http://m.smh.com.au/business/n
168 thegeek : On this point, I agree. While leisure traffic in general doesn't make a huge amount of money, since when have flights to ski fields been low yielding
169 TN486 : Wonder what Virgin Australia would have to say about this, incl the ACCC . I personally would think the idea has merit, independant government board
170 RyanairGuru : ie Air New Zealand it could work...
171 eaglefarm4 : Virgin commenced RPT operations with their ATR72 this am BNE-GLT .VH-FVH was the aircraft.Callsign was Virgin 711 Sierra .First service to Gladstone f
172 JMM99 : I think Air Asia X would disagree with you along with Tiger Singapore !!!
173 EK413 : So only now they decide to do something about it... Sorry Mr Joyce your probably 10 years late... Well I should really blame Mr Dixon and his board f
174 Post contains images BNE : I wondered if anyone would comment on the first service. I flew up on the inaugural Virgin Australia flight to Gladstone DJ1711, we departed on time
175 qf002 : Reading that leaves me wondering what the deal with VA and their on board service is. It seems to be really inconsistent -- on some flights everyone
176 EK413 : Don't quote me on it but I'm guessing VA products will be more consistent across the board once all the brands are merged...? EK413
177 747m8te : Only the 'Capital Connect' service gives all pax a small snack and drink, on other flights, you have to purchase the more costly flexi fares which gi
178 Zkpilot : I often don't agree with koruman, but every now and then he makes sense. Officially management doesn't cook the books but everyone knows that they do
179 qf002 : That's what I thought, but then I hear about others getting free food/drinks even when they've paid the base fare... Anyway, I guess that it's safest
180 sydscott : Not forgetting that QF only launched direct SYD-LAX because Pan Am did it first with the 747SP. They've always been a reactionary airline. I can reme
181 jupiter2 : Yes Pan Am did it first, but what did you expect QF to have launched the flight with ? They only had 742's then and really only ordered the 2 SP's to
182 747m8te : Apart from QF management...lol...have there been any operation restrictions in the past that would have held them back from doing this? (local author
183 alangirvan : The Qantas SPs arrived in early 1981, and they were chosen for their STOL performance at WLG. Pan Am had used the SP on flights to the South Pacific,
184 thegeek : It isn't too hard to coordinate feeder services at upline hubs, like SIN/BKK/HKG. They had the 767 for some time. More frequent flights with smaller
185 koruman : I keep having this trotted out to me, and it makes no sense at all. Firstly, are Dubai and Singapore located roughly half-way between Europe and Aust
186 thegeek : Fairly sure this flight was only started in response to rumours of an IAH-AKL flight which would have competed with funnelling everyone through LAX.
187 qf002 : There's the QF Sale Act which restricts use of the QF brand overseas and means they can't own more than 49% of foreign ventures... But they're gettin
188 mariner : I don't remember a time in Australia when there wasn't a resources boom. I first arrived in Sydney in the early 1960's at the time of the Poseidon cr
189 6thfreedom : it is in some ways. basically, if QF choose SIN as their base, they will need to operate departures out from SIN to say China around midnight. these
190 EK413 : There is your answer... You make it sound as though the Australian work force are criminals... EK413
191 koruman : My friend, you have eloquently summed up my argument. I am not arguing for PER-LHR for passengers to/from the rest of Australia. I am arguing for a n
192 Post contains links JMM99 : Virgin talking of using their 777's domestically as QF dispute escalates & using EY & NZ aircraft in place of 777's domestically. Plus they co
193 Post contains links JMM99 : more on DJ increase in services at QF expense ... http://www.etravelblackboard.com/art...n-flight-gaps-as-qf-grounds-planes plus more QF union disrupt
194 qfa787380 : Yes, it does for QF but may be marginal for JQ.
195 Post contains links SCL767 : Interesting article published on Travel Weekly's website. Apparently certain members of the oneworld alliance are worried about QF's current business
196 koruman : Oh really? Would you care to explain why Jetstar could make it work and Qantas couldn't? The established logic on SYD-CDG is embarrassing - it assume
197 The Coachman : It makes no sense to you because you don't seem to understand the following basic principle. DXB is a 6 hour flight and west of India, China, Singapo
198 EK413 : Thank-you very much... Could not agree more... DFW was always on the cards... I remember reading a Qantas In-flight Magazine in 2000 with SYD-DFW alr
199 JMM99 : Think I said that EY would assist DJ by flying EY aircraft instead of DJ 777 to AUH, but during pilots dispute lots of foreign carriers did domestic
200 thegeek : I'm sure it was, it's been discussed here enough, but I think without the threat of someone else offering a competing service they would have waited
201 6thfreedom : I think the VA plan is to pull back some of their B777s and deployment domestically, and for EY and NZ to fill the void. in other words, VA has check
202 qf002 : I'm surprised that EY has a whole additional frame that they can dedicate to picking up VA's slack -- I'd have thought any extra A345/6 or 77W's woul
203 qf002 : ALSO -- QF's first Sky Interior 737 entered service today (well, yesterday) from the looks of things. Rego is VH-VZT and first flight was QF610 MEL-BN
204 JMM99 : Maybe use of EY's back up aircraft (do they have a few?) Whether this happens depends on QF unions, but am sure it could be implemented quickly. Appa
205 AJ : There are some photo on Qantas' facebook page.
206 qf002 : Cheers -- love your username btw!
207 EK413 : Thanks for clearing this up for me... Cheers! I'm sure they could've waited but now that raises the question... Which carrier threaten to provide a d
208 EK413 : Anyone come across the NEW Master plan for SYD? I have noted work has commenced on the NEW Hotel at the International Terminal and the NEW shopping an
209 NTLDaz : Continental with Houston - Auckland.
210 RyanairGuru : Which sparked rumours that SYD wouldn't be too far behind. Also when DL started with the 77L more than one person noted that the aircraft had the leg
211 Post contains images EK413 : Cheers... You mean United EK413
212 Post contains images NTLDaz : Well I suppose it is United now but when the announcement was made it was Continental - so I suppose I really do mean Continental
213 eaglefarm4 : 3rd VA BNE-GLT flight now in schedules MON-Fri 1210 out of YBBN back at 1520 from 16 January 2012. Emerald is now in their drop down port menu so the
214 VA787 : I'm not sure if there is any truth in this, just heard from a friend, but he was under the impression that QANTAS had some type of arrangement with B
215 TruemanQLD : Wow, half a 747 just for 4 Koalas? Would have thought it would have been easier just to keep them in the cabin! Wish I could have seen it though -Obv
216 Post contains links TN486 : New thread now available. Australian Aviation Thread 55 (by TN486 Oct 23 2011 in Civil Aviation)
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