type-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14835 times:
I flew on a UA 727 in the late 90's, I think 1998 or so IAH-ORD. I always loved the 727. It's so hard to believe they are almost all gone. They were very ubiquitous at one time. The cabin was in fine shape, didn't look worn at all.
jamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14766 times:
Quoting 28L28L (Reply 3): I seem to recall the 727-222s operating from DEN to OAK in 2001.
Indeed, United grounded its fleet of 727's and 737-200 aircraft immediately after the attacks on 9/11. They left the fleet in October and November of 2001, if memory serves me correctly. Although the interiors were in adequate condition, the galleys were very old. Shortly before 9/11, there was talk about refurbishing the galleys, but the project never came to fruition as the company decided to ground the fleet entirely.
WNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1495 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14721 times:
I flew one from MSY-DEN and then back 2 weeks later in the summer of 1999. I remember them being in very good shape. We also were served a full breakfast on the outbound, and a hot chicken dinner on the return and I think they hand-delivered everything, I just remember the FA's being very busy.
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jamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14537 times:
Quoting Jackbr (Reply 9): Really? I knew airlines were regularly hand delivering meals on many aircraft right through the 1980s, but I didn't know it was until that late in service.
Yes indeed. Meals were hand-run as the galleys had never been modified to carry tray carts. Both the First Class galley and the aft galley contained modules with slots that the meal trays were slotted into. It was a real pain because the salads were not covered and lettuce would be strewn all over the meal trays. The meal trays were long and narrow. The hot portion of the meals were boarded in long metal drawers that fit into heating units.
Flight attendants would burn themselves on the hot elements as we pulled the hot metal drawers out to place the foil covered meals on each tray to hand-deliver them row by row. Working as the Purser in First Class wasn't so bad, but Economy was a pain.
United had rolled out Economy Plus just prior to 9/11. The 727's were configured with 12 seats in First Class; 60 seats in Economy Plus, and 69 in regular Economy.
Quoting Jackbr (Reply 9): I bet the Flight Attendants hated the 727s
Yes indeed. However there was something about the 727 that, upon descending the aft air stairs on a dark night and looking back to glimpse at her high T-tail and aft-mounted engines...the sound of her APU piercing at your ear drums while her stair mounted lights illuminated each step from the tarmac to her belly, one couldn't help but feel a glimpse of adoration for that sexy bird...
jamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14406 times:
Quoting Jackbr (Reply 12):
The routes listed above show a DEN, IAD, ORD focus - were they only operated by crews from these bases?
The 727's were focused in DEN and ORD, but the west coast bases like SEA, SFO, and LAX had significant 727 flying up until the late 1990's. As more and more routes on the west coast were converted to Shuttle by United (later called United Shuttle), the 727's moved eastward. Shuttle routes were operated exclusively with specially converted Boeing 737-300/500 aircraft.
For example, SFO-MFR, SFO-EUG, and SFO-SLC were often flown with 727's, but as those routes were transitioned to Shuttle operated flights, they were operated exclusively by 737's. Even so, although the 727's moved eastward, it was still quite common for a west coast crew to operate a trip pairing that involved 727 aircraft.
A typical trip pairing could look like the following and be flown with a SFO-based crew:
SFO-ORD - A320
ORD-BTV - B727
Layover (BTV - Burlington, VT)
Layover (SAT - San Antonio, TX)
At United, F/A's are scheduled to fly a mix of different aircraft types within a single trip pairing. I should also mention, that a 3-day trip with 2 legs each day was considered to be a pretty sweet trip, but typically there could be 3 or 4 legs worked within a duty period.
So in answer to your question, at United, A/C are not base-specific and cabin crews are not aircraft specific.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6018 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14309 times:
I remember seeing them at terminal B in DFW right up until 9/11. I had a chance to fly on one, but forsook it for a 737-291 nonstop DFW-IAD in May of 2001. That 737 was in poor shape, cabin-wise. Ceiling panels misaligned, lavatory panels in bad shape, flush lever installed upsidedown.... I did a trip report at the time, it's in that forum.
But yes, I can still see battleship birds lined up at DFW terminal B, where United had 5 gates at the time, as I recall. And a Red Carpet Club, if I'm not mistaken.
GALLEYSTEW From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14061 times:
I,for one loved the 727. Yes we had to hand run meals, but there was a beverage cart. Up until E plus, we held 102 meals in the aft galley and 33 economy meals in the forward galley. The interiors were updated and refreshed. If y ou didn't see the buffet modules, you would think it was a new plane. The modules were the same for the DC-8's,as well as the 727-100.
The planes I didn't like were the 727-100 series where there was one galley for both classes of service. Double stacking of trays for economy and the crew all agreed to say sorry once at the beginning of the service because you knew you were going to elbow someone at least 5 times.
The worst airplane was the 737-200. Two words............THERMAL TRAYS. They looked like a baby's food tray with compartments. Stacked in sets of 9 with a top to make it 10. Trying to find special meals or entree choices (yes there was a choice) was always a challenge. First class had these as well, untill mid 1980's, then an oven was installed upfront. The First class beverage cart was still in back and had to be brought up after take off...............so no predeparture cocktails. I was so happy when these birds were gone.
ItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1109 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13199 times:
My employer in the mid/late 90s was loyal to UA and i flew them a number of times from ORD to SDF and back in the 98 to 99 timeframe. Though it was odd that the Y galley was on aircraft right rather than left..al la NW/DL/TW/AA. IIRC there were no seats at the 2L door, so that became a congregation area for people waiting on the lav...im sure the F/As loved that. When I became crew in Jan 2000...i can tell you that yes, it was a nightmare from a F/A standpoint. Flying Lead/Purser/A was ok...but the forward galley was almost too big in relation to the number of seats. The aft galley was a mess...with tiny ovens that were jam packed with food...you had to rotate the trays while the oven ran to make sure all the entrees were cooked. Service items like ice and cups and extra soda were conveniently located on the floor behind rather flimsy bin doors.
Gman3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13107 times:
As a 12 year FA for United, I sorta miss the 727's. They were like tanks in the sky! I remember getting struck by lightning on one.. was interesting. The galleys were super old. They were huge compartments that had to be pulled out with a special tool. The interior on most were a bit dingy and yellowing from the years of smoking when it was allowed.
As my othe colleagues have said, we were quite busy. Food service was hand run and I was cracking up at the comment about the lettuce being stewn all over! The trays were actually easier to deliver than those snack boxes. The waxy boxes would slip out of you hands if you tried to grab too many!
MSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13080 times:
From 1997 to 2001 I flew on at least 10 UA 727-200's on various routes, but usually on ones such as MSY-DEN, ORD-MSY, and PVD-ORD. They were a great ride. The interiors were in good shape...just as good as their 737's and 757's. The seats were the same gray with the multi-colored stripes running down the middle of them.
One of my most memorable flights on the UA 722 was in January,2000. It was the morning flight out of MSY to ORD. Full airplane. As we were taxiing, I was listening to channel 9, and the tower informed the flight deck "UA XXX, you are cleared for departure runway 1." Not five seconds later, the Captain responds: "Tower this is UA XXX, runway 1 won't cut it for us this morning, we're going to need runway 10." 1 is only 7000ft, 10 is 10,102ft. That flight also stuck out because of just how cold it was in ORD that morning...something like 6 degrees with a negative wind chill.
As far as I can remember the cabin was a bit worn and quite a contrast to the 763ER that I flew in on from SCL. I can't believe that only 10 years ago the 727 was still regular equipment on domestic flights. At least nowadays we still have DC9s.
All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
I very much recall flying a UA 727 out of NYC (but I swear it was JFK and not LGA to MIA, but it was a loooooog time ago!) in the 1990's. I was 30 at the time and had a HIGHLY active social life, and I always flew UA (where I formed my love for the airline) my company had a Corp deal with UA and all tickets were 30 to 40% off. Plus I had a friend in Corp sales for UA in NYC and he would give me upgrades too.
So, I would probably go to South Beach 6 to 10 times a year to party and I was always on a UA 727. My first year of switching from AA to UA I was Premier Exec. But on one trip to Miami, I had 99,000 miles before I left and knew I would hit 100,000 miles on that ride. The FA took my order first (I was in first and we got an AWESOME hot meal too). Then she came back to me a few minutes later, almost hysterical with fear as she had made a mistake "Mr B, I am so sorry, I am so embarrassed! I made a big mistake, I should have asked the 1K's first what they wanted and now I've run out of the beef Wellington and a 1K ordered that and I was out..I need to kindly ask if you would give up your beef Wellington for him since you're just Premiere Exec 'which is very important to United too' but 1k's are supposed to come first and I could get in trouble!" I told her (joking but acting serious) "where are we right now? Near Atlanta? "she said "I'm not sure but I think we are close to Atlanta by now" and I said, well by now I should br 1k then! I left NY with 99,000 miles! She was seechless. Poor thing. I said "naturally you can give him my beef Weliington"- I'll take whatever is left! BUT...the reason I tell this (funny to me) story is I SO vividly recall riding those 727's in F was how wonderful the seat and cabin was. The food and service was better than an AA MD-80 was. Also, there was something about how a 727 banked into MIA from flying over the ocean- she glided soundlessly into a slide onto the runway. I miss her so much as I do my nights in South Beach.
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: In 1997 I interned at United and got to fly them every week. My observations were the same as others above. However some interesting info I can pass i
: I last flew one around Sept. 30th 2001 from MIA to DCA (I believe). I had no idea at the time that its days were number.
: My last UA 727 was from ORD to RIC on 4/11/99. It was aircraft N7272U, and its interior was in excellent condition. Bob Bradley
: My only UA 727 ride was on N7295U 23Apr95 DEN-LAX. It was a very slow take off since it was from DEN. Felt like we were nerver going to get off the gr
: My last UA 727 trip was also my last US DC-10. I was flying PWM-ORD-LAX in June of 2000. Both flights were due to a reschedule, as I was supposed to f
: UA took delivery of 104 727-200s, including 28 early models between May 1968 and June 1969, and 76 Advanced models between October 1977 and July 1980.
: I remember seeing them quite often in DTW as they approached the end of their service life with UA. I also remember seeing the DC-10 at DTW in the wee
: I went to college in Texas from 1997-2001 and flew numerous airlines' 727s in/out of DFW, including AA, DL, and, of course UA. Despite it being quite
: I lived in ABQ for almost 13 years, and UA operated the 722 on the DEN-ABQ-DEN run quite often. A few times I was on a 733, and even twice on a 752, b
: I'm not sure how late this went on, but I recall that at one time the 727 went on from BTV to BGR and returned in the morning on the way back to ORD.
: United regularly flew the DC-10 into DTW, CLE, BWI, and MCO/TPA. Sad that now the A320 is about the biggest thing into those markets!
: I flew a UA 727 in June of 2001 DEN-SEA. I was in first class non-revving as an unaccompanied minor. I remember the service was amazing and the stewar
: Thanks for that info. I was pretty sure I remembered being on a 727 ORD-PIT sometime in 2001, but I don't keep a log and was unsure of my memory as t
: The last UA 727 I flew was a SEA-DEN leg around the spring of 98 I believe. While not worn out, it was quite evident that at least that particular ai
: My last flight on a UA 727 was December 1996 - ORD - SEA, on my way home for Christmas from college in DC (the originating flight was an A320 / 319 fr
: I flew one ORD-BOI in 1999. Cabin was pretty standard. Seemed in pretty good shape.
: The last United 727 flight I took was from ORD-SEA in 1996. Great, old jet with a huge galley in back which we sat next to. We had a DC-10 out to ORD
: I flew AUS-DEN back in 99 00 & 01. Service was great, but the cabins were old. I hated jump seating on the 72 w/ FX past 01.
: From what I recall, the 727-100 had longer range than the -200. AA kept the -100s well into the early 90s - everyone asked them why - and it was rang