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WN's New Not-A-Hub Term For ATL: "Megacity"  
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5072 posts, RR: 21
Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12624 times:

http://www.ajc.com/business/southwes...-to-transform-airtran-1165665.html

As the article states, which requires subscription which I do not have, WN intends to turn FL's ATL hub into a "Megacity".

Nice way of getting around the "WN has no hubs" terminology but lets not split hairs on what WN will have there.

Can anyone with an AJC subscription shed more light on the article's contents?

Brett Snyder, our resident Cranky Flyer, sees this as not good for some of FL's smaller markets, which has been speculated on here and has already come to fruition for the folks in PHF and ACY, with more to come I'm sure.


Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12408 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Thread starter):

Call me crazy but I think WN would actually do well in ACY if ever launched.



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User currently offlineswa4life From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12314 times:

Southwest has been calling it's large cities "megacities" for years. Nothing "new" about ATL being referred to as such.

User currently onlinevatveng From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 962 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12083 times:

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...


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User currently offlinebillreid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1006 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12050 times:

So lets guess which cities will be dumped?


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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1937 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11993 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Thread starter):
As the article states, which requires subscription which I do not have, WN intends to turn FL's ATL hub into a "Megacity".
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 1):
Southwest has been calling it's large cities "megacities" for years.

No, Southwest does not call them "Megacities". We call them "Megastations". Those are cities with over 100 flts per day. There's also LAS and MDW with over 200 flts per day. They're called "Super-Mega". The article tried to be cute, but got it wrong.



My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4057 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11977 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 1):
Call me crazy but I think WN would actually do well in ACY if ever launched.

Maybe in years past ACY could have supported a small WN operation. And I mean small as in fewer than 20 flights daily and probably closer to 10.

Not anymore. WN is chasing business travel more and more - gone are the days of Southwest sustaining itself on leisure fares. ACY is still a leisure destination above all.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11708 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 1):
Call me crazy but I think WN would actually do well in ACY if ever launched.

Agreed. Especially since most of the draw is from shorter haul markets (people aren't going to go from the West Coast to ACY), which are higher yield.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 6):
Not anymore. WN is chasing business travel more and more - gone are the days of Southwest sustaining itself on leisure fares. ACY is still a leisure destination above all.

1 code - LAS.

WN seems perfectly happy to fly to leisure destinations.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5072 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11558 times:

So what is the future for WN in ATL? Rolling hub? Flights to WN cities and to hell with the FL ones or what?

My thinking is WN glossed over this "we are interested in serving most, if not all" FL markets. Well we see what happened to ACY, PHF was a given due to RIC and ORF but can WN live on P2P and whatever connections they can serve out of ATL?

The Boyd Group (love 'em or hate 'em) has stated that ATL is overserved in relation to local traffic thanks to the DL hub. Is WN capable of de-hubbing ATL and grooving on the mix traffic? I for one have flown FL many times thanks to the low fares and I'm a "get where I wanna go" person who doesn't mind oddball routes and weird connections to get where I wanna go.

Will this work for WN in ATL?



Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently offlinecongaboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11510 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 5):
No, Southwest does not call them "Megacities". We call them "Megastations". Those are cities with over 100 flts per day. There's also LAS and MDW with over 200 flts per day. They're called "Super-Mega". The article tried to be cute, but got it wrong.

Sorry, that's goofy QANTAS...if they want to attract business fliers, think of something just a bit more sophisticated. I am super-mega disappointed, being a resident of suburban ATL...and will only fly WN when my options run out. Call me elitist, but I have a choice, and while I think it's entertaining that WN flight attendants can recite the safety announcement with a hip-hop back beat, some days I just want some discretion.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
WN seems perfectly happy to fly to leisure destinations.

There is a growing convention/conference market in LAS...and while alot of these attendees probably dont have much of a choice other than WN, they would do even better by trying to be a little more clever...stop dumbing-down what has become a pretty amazing operation.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11447 times:

Quoting congaboy (Reply 9):
There is a growing convention/conference market in LAS

That's always been there. ACY has the same, just on a smaller scale. Just like everything else.



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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11425 times:

Quoting congaboy (Reply 9):

Sorry, that's goofy QANTAS...if they want to attract business fliers, think of something just a bit more sophisticated.

Do you really think Business People are looking up to see what Airlines like Southwest are calling before they book an airline? Absolutely not. WN has always been and will continue to attract Business Passengers because of their schedule and prices, not because of what WN calls their stations.

Quoting congaboy (Reply 9):
I am super-mega disappointed, being a resident of suburban ATL...and will only fly WN when my options run out. Call me elitist, but I have a choice, and while I think it's entertaining that WN flight attendants can recite the safety announcement with a hip-hop back beat, some days I just want some discretion.

That is totally fine, and you're right, but if you are NOT booking WN on the basis of what they call their stations that's just slightly weird.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):

1 code - LAS.

WN seems perfectly happy to fly to leisure destinations.

Happy Maybe..but it is NOT their Business Plan nor has it ever been. WN does fly to Leisure destinations absolutely, as do every single airline in the country, WN is no exception. Also like every other airline in the country they are catering to Business Passengers only, WN is no exception either.

Quoting vatveng (Reply 3):
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Then it is a Platypus!  

Alex



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1937 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11244 times:

Quoting congaboy (Reply 9):
Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 5):
No, Southwest does not call them "Megacities". We call them "Megastations". Those are cities with over 100 flts per day. There's also LAS and MDW with over 200 flts per day. They're called "Super-Mega". The article tried to be cute, but got it wrong.

Sorry, that's goofy QANTAS...if they want to attract business fliers, think of something just a bit more sophisticated.

Uhhh, ok. That's an INTERNAL Company term, so if you find it "goofy" then take it up with Gary. It's not really meant for the public to be familiar with it.



My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlinefrmrCapCadet From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1714 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11221 times:

The word 'hub' as applied to airline operations is a tertiary metephor. And as such can mean what ever you or anyone else should insist. As commonly understood an airline hub receives a tranche (flock?) or planes at a particular time, and sends most of the passengers to one of several planes leaving shortly thereafter. Dropping only a modest percentage of the flights can make the entire groups of planes unprofitable. WN relies on frequent departures so someone incoming does not have to wait for a long time for the outgoing flight to ultimate destination. There is obviously almost an infinite gradation between the two systems. Norita is kind of an extreme on one side, the WN model on the other.


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11194 times:

On a related note, from today's AJC:

Southwest to link network with AirTran

Quote:
Southwest Airlines, which is launching service at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport in February, plans to also link its route network with merger partner AirTran Airways early next year, opening up more connecting flight options to and from Atlanta.

Southwest Chief Executive Gary Kelly acknowledged, though, that some of AirTran’s less-frequent routes and subsidized routes don’t fit into Southwest’s model.

Kelly mentions JAN, BNA, SLC, CLE, ECP, SDF and PDX. I always wondered why FL didn't offer service to PDX and SLC, as they have long been DL monopoly routes.

Quoting billreid (Reply 4):
So lets guess which cities will be dumped?

They've already announced the closure of PHF, ACY, MLI, AVL, plus they are forced to close DFW due to the Wright Amendment. Here's my top five guesses:

MIA (Highly likely since FL offers one RT a day into/out of MIA, service to/from BWI.)
BMI
ABE
MDT
CRW


User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11084 times:

Frankly I'm really looking forward to the connecting options that ATL will provide. On that note, however, ATL always felt like a really big Love Field to me. While it's relatively efficient design is efficient for the airlines, ATL's a madhouse of people..


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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1937 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11040 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 14):
So lets guess which cities will be dumped?

They've already announced the closure of PHF, ACY, MLI, AVL,

I'd say Knoxville, Huntsville, Rochester, Flint, Lexington, etc...

Quoting srbmod (Reply 14):
Here's my top five guesses:

MIA (Highly likely since FL offers one RT a day into/out of MIA, service to/from BWI.)

I don't know... I really think WN could make MIA work. I can totally picture MIA having 20-30 flts per day and doing very well.



My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10999 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 14):
MIA (Highly likely since FL offers one RT a day into/out of MIA, service to/from BWI.)

Actually the rumor is that WN will expand at MIA.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 16):
I don't know... I really think WN could make MIA work. I can totally picture MIA having 20-30 flts per day and doing very well.

While not necessarily that much I can expect an operation similar to EWR or LGA where it's a nice small presence to key markets. With a behemoth like AA already the largest, DL already trying to start a battle there's only so much room left.. Especially when you have a 50 daily flight station about 25 miles up I-95...


User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5509 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9796 times:

Quoting congaboy (Reply 9):
Sorry, that's goofy QANTAS...if they want to attract business fliers, think of something just a bit more sophisticated. I am super-mega disappointed, being a resident of suburban ATL...and will only fly WN when my options run out. Call me elitist, but I have a choice, and while I think it's entertaining that WN flight attendants can recite the safety announcement with a hip-hop back beat, some days I just want some discretion.

Have you ever, like, flown on Southwest?

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 6):
WN is chasing business travel more and more - gone are the days of Southwest sustaining itself on leisure fares.

The days of which you speak never were - Southwest started itself, defined itself, built its essential model on business travelers - hence its general refusal to open up stations and pairs with limited flight counts.



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User currently onlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3814 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9684 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 14):
They've already announced the closure of PHF, ACY, MLI, AVL, plus they are forced to close DFW due to the Wright Amendment. Here's my top five guesses:

MIA (Highly likely since FL offers one RT a day into/out of MIA, service to/from BWI.)
BMI
ABE
MDT
CRW

C'mon man! That's not creative reasoning, you just picked the FL stations with the least amount of service. Throw in a wildcard or two.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 16):
I'd say Knoxville, Huntsville, Rochester, Flint, Lexington, etc...

See that's the spirit. Throw a ROC, HSV, or FNT into the cauldron of guesses.


Though I figure WN could make ROC work.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4057 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8124 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
1 code - LAS.

WN seems perfectly happy to fly to leisure destinations.

I never said they weren't. LAS and ACY are light years apart in terms of popularity, traffic and importance in just about every way. LAS isn't exactly thriving at the moment either, in any case.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
That's always been there. ACY has the same, just on a smaller scale. Just like everything else.

Exactly. LAS has also been a part of the WN system for a long, long time and stations with that kind of tenure and that amount of flights tend to sustain themselves to a point. ACY would be a brand new station for WN and I just don't believe they are interested in spending the capital to open new stations without being fairly sure of profitability.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 8):
The Boyd Group (love 'em or hate 'em) has stated that ATL is overserved in relation to local traffic thanks to the DL hub.

Pretty much like every major airline hub. Thanks, Captains Obvious (directed at the Boyd Group, not you Ozark).

Quoting srbmod (Reply 14):
Kelly mentions JAN, BNA, SLC, CLE, ECP, SDF and PDX. I always wondered why FL didn't offer service to PDX and SLC, as they have long been DL monopoly routes.

PDX/SLC-ATL would be nice but...eh, I want to see something new. Like MKE-PDX.

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 18):
The days of which you speak never were - Southwest started itself, defined itself, built its essential model on business travelers - hence its general refusal to open up stations and pairs with limited flight counts.

Limited flight counts don't have anything to do with the targeted group of passengers. What does "limited" mean, anyway? Less than 50? Less than 20? It has more to do with what WN thinks is the right number to be able to fill the flights and not have too many planes and not enough pax to go around. That's why, for the most part, smaller cities have fewer flights.
Sorry, but WN has not always been as wholeheartedly business-oriented as you claim. Intra-Texas it's probably the case, but outside that, business pax often will be flying F or Plus, and that family headed to Disneyland or the group of bros going to Vegas will be looking to book on Southwest.


User currently offlineValorien From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7659 times:

Omg, you guys are funny.

I work for WN and I don't have any idea what they call the "bigger" stations, so I wouldn't get caught up too much in what the company "codewords" are.

WN has no defined hubs; however, they do use cities between the origination and destination city as a "connecting point". If the connecting city is one of WN's "busier" cities, it will most likely be the connecting point because of its size, hence, the "hub" effect. WN will probably never use the term "hub", even though its bigger stations behave like them already.

As for ATL, well, I think we all know that ATL is already home to a LCC (AirTran). When AirTran goes away, they're pretty much going to step into its place rather than "create something new" especially with the sorry state the economy is in right now.

Will ATL act like a "hub" city as WN's other big stations like LAS, BWI, and MDW? Given the size of the station, it probably will.


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3421 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7466 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
1 code - LAS.

2 codes - -LAS & MCO



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User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3127 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

On any thread that involves the mention of Southwest and Hub, the count on quotation marks goes through the roof. Nobody's completely comfortable with stating the obvious.
"hub"
"connection point"
"megacity"
"bigger"
"new"
"duck"
"goofy"

Go ahead, count 'em up!  

-Rampart


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3421 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7211 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 23):
On any thread that involves the mention of Southwest and Hub, the count on quotation marks goes through the roof. Nobody's completely comfortable with stating the obvious.
"hub"
"connection point"
"megacity"
"bigger"
"new"
"duck"
"goofy"

You forgot "intentional connecting opportunity"  



"I want to know the voice of God the rest is just details" --A. Einstein
25 PHLBOS : Given the fact that they're cutting back PHL and focusing their sites elsewhere in the country; I don't see them coming to ACY anytime soon unless th
26 GentFromAlaska : Megacity tells me they want their own terminal. Keeping with the humor theme I saw on a WN flight a few days ago at BNA which read "Bags Fly For Free
27 canyonblue17 : Cities like ATL, BWI, MDW may be "megastations" but we need some perspective here. We are talking about stations with roughly 200 flights a day. These
28 rampart : WN distributes its hubs more for the size of the airline, whereas those you cite by UA, DL, and AA are truly fortresses (and including legions of reg
29 enilria : They already fly to EWR/PHL/BWI so there really is no point in flying to ACY. Sorry! I think ROC might survive. I think if they were sue about closin
30 canyonblue17 : Exactly my point...."Fortresses" versus "Megastations." And I would find it hard to call WN a "medium" sized airline and compare them to FL or B6. WN
31 Air1727 : It will be interesting to see how Southwest plays the Atlanta market and which cities get the boot. As for mega-city, super-mega-city, megastation, et
32 canyonblue17 : Seeing as how informed and advanced the readership is on Anet. Can't someone do a statistical breakdown of each airline - putting the total number of
33 SANFan : I disagree. In the last couple of years, WN has indeed talked about their "hubs" even though the term itself is still rarely used. WN does have hubs
34 rampart : I agree with you, I think we're talking around the same point. WN is by no means a medium sized airline. If you divide WN into 7 to 9 regional sector
35 goomba : I see WN doing an ATL to BDL non stop to make this route competitive. DL is the only game in town on that nonstop and the price reflects this (usually
36 kcrwflyer : You've got a two hour flight between business markets ant 400r/t is the monopolistic price??? It's double that from CRW and we've got a 55 minute hop
37 FlyPNS1 : The $400 is for advanced purchase. Try flying BDL-ATL for 9/26 (return 9/29) and you get a fare of $1,123!! But you don't need a connecting structure
38 goomba : You've got a two hour flight between business markets ant 400r/t is the monopolistic price??? It's double that from CRW and we've got a 55 minute hop
39 goomba : The $400 is for advanced purchase. Try flying BDL-ATL for 9/26 (return 9/29) and you get a fare of $1,123!! My point exactly...DL owns this route. The
40 roguetrader : WRONG! The legacy apologists' never-ending obsession with announcing that WN has hubs - as if that puts Southwest in the same boat with the perpetual
41 Post contains images rampart : Quack. Quick question: why are their recent growth and reinforcements (DEN, MDW, PHX, BWI, BNA) built to enhance connections? Starting DEN with 20-30
42 roguetrader : Rampart, there's no doubt WN tries to catch connecting traffic. But it is the smaller (much smaller) part of their model...even in the cities that co
43 unmlobo : WN has already filed fares for ATL-BDL since they will be flying it as a 1-stop through BWI (direct, no plane change) beginning in February. On south
44 Cubsrule : Most aren't connecting, but in many cases in the largest cities, most aren't local either. And there are plenty of flights (BHM-BNA or LIT-STL or RSW
45 roguetrader : No dispute there. For the sake of accuracy among investors and the flying public, it is quite right to refer to a place where WN is NOT connecting mo
46 Cubsrule : The trouble, though, is that not all legacy hubs are majority connecting. Aren't AA/ORD and UA/ORD both around the same connecting to not connecting
47 737tdi : You work for WN but may not understand the difference in "hub and spoke" and the way WN works it's flights. I.E. AA, DFW to AUS, an aircraft takes of
48 Cubsrule : I'm confused. WN most certainly operates turns, especially in the corners of the country. Legacies most certainly operate ATL-BNA-DTW or ORD-STL-DEN.
49 rampart : Every time I enter one of these threads, raw nerves are touched, and I don't know why. Not mine, I don't own an airline nor work for one. Of the times
50 roguetrader : I seriously doubt it, but I'm too lazy to try to find the data, assuming its available to the public. Look at all those tiny cities AA and UA fly to
51 commavia : Routing of the aircraft means far less than routing of the customers. And in terms of routing customers, Southwest absolutely does operate a fairly s
52 HPRamper : Just because a given airline doesn't use the "hub and spoke" system per se doesn't mean they don't have hubs. "Hub" has grown out of the original conn
53 roguetrader : Amen! To any other national/international business, an enterprise which decides not to challenge competitors in America's 3rd largest market (like De
54 canyonblue17 : Not completely true....WN currently operates SAN-BWI 2x a day and LAX-BWI 1x a day. Also not completely true....a lot of the transcon trips are direc
55 Cubsrule : That's a good point. My point is that there are stations that legacies call hubs that are well less than 80 percent connecting, and if we look at per
56 HPRamper : As far as the vast majority of passengers are concerned, the difference is landing somewhere in the middle and parking at a terminal, not whether or
57 luckyone : 1. WN will not likely ever have its "own" terminal (there's MY quotation!) at ATL. 2. The airport, not the airline installs and maintains signage. Th
58 roguetrader : You've been very reasonable so I don't want to argue this too much further, but I'd summarize it as: A HUB WITHOUT SPOKES BUILT MOSTLY FOR CONNECTIVT
59 goomba : WN has already filed fares for ATL-BDL since they will be flying it as a 1-stop through BWI (direct, no plane change) beginning in February. On southw
60 roguetrader : the statement I made was NOT moot, not uneducated and almost certainly true. Because different things need different labels if they are in fact diffe
61 Cubsrule : Most of WN's hubs do have spokes built mostly for connectivity - BWI has cities like BDL, MDW has cities like STL or IND, etc.
62 Post contains images roguetrader : Ok, we are starting to split hairs, but maybe that means we're getting close to agreement?! Let me fine tune, without yelling this time ..........A h
63 luckyone : Very well. Call it what you please. Be it a hub or a "megastation/megacity" they serve the exact same function. The only difference is scale, which i
64 Post contains images ScottB : That's not entirely true, at least in the way that the legacy carriers operate hubs. Southwest operates virtually no flights with negligible O&D
65 unmlobo : Delta's nonstop on the same dates in February is $1235. In fact even with a connection in DCA or RDU, Delta's flights between ATL and BDL are $800-$9
66 HPRamper : I don't think the use of the terms "apologists" and "fanboys" is very appropriate in any case. Just because a given person prefers the legacy system o
67 PI767 : I guess my opinion of why Southwest does not use the term "hub" is because of the common perception of the word. The "hubs" are where you MUST go to c
68 roguetrader : How many times explained??? One type of city = most people connect. The other type = most people do not connect. This is not the same type of city. T
69 luckyone : The fact that they have facilities and services to function and cater to those (REGARDLESS of the number) connecting means they can, and do, serve th
70 Post contains links rampart : Here, I found some data. Boyd Group. Not Wikipedia, for whatever that's worth. http://www.aviationplanning.com/AviationDataFlash.htm (May 2011) At DEN
71 GentFromAlaska : You are probably correct. It would sure make a as you say "cutesy" Super Bowl commercial.
72 Post contains images luckyone : Indeed it would! Do you work for a marketing agency???
73 PI767 : That's very interesting, Rampart. Thanks for posting that information.
74 srbmod : The only station that I knew the number of flights of was MIA, and that was info gleaned from a previous thread. I didn't even factor in the number o
75 GentFromAlaska : No. I was taught to think value added. WN spends a lot of money on advertising, specifically sporting events. The timing would be right with WN inaug
76 Cubsrule : But here's the rub: WN doesn't operate regional aircraft. There are few if any routes with a lot of mainline service that have "negligible O&D tr
77 Post contains images Silver1SWA : I dont know what's sadder...WN continuing to skirt around calling their large cities hubs, or that everyone here gets in such a tizzy over it. Big who
78 F9Fan : So I guess if they start doing ATL-CLE, they will drop CAK? WN has plenty of room at CLE to expand. WN has four gates, and could easily expand (they
79 PI767 : I think if you look at what WN does in the "corners" of the country, even those flights are not turns. I can tell you, when you are referring to the
80 Post contains links and images rampart : Minus the SHOUTING and labeling of personalities back and forth here, I think we're getting some reasonable explanation sorted out about what WN consi
81 Cubsrule : That's a side effect of running the same flight number for much of the day for many aircraft; many systems (some outside of WN) would need modificati
82 Cubsrule : But all of the airlines WN has bought - MC, KN and FL - weren't really significant competitors. MC and KN were tiny, and there's relatively little ov
83 Post contains images rampart : What better way to take out your competition than to acquire them small. Like weeding out puppies. Didn't work out with F9. Was MC American Trans Air
84 kcrwflyer : I dont think either is as sad as the impending death of FL. IMO
85 frmrCapCadet : A number of us thought with the 717 WN would be serving some smaller markets that would not be profitable with 737s. The recent comment by the CEO tha
86 slcdeltarumd11 : We should stop this whole "what is a hub" argument they explode every time WN is even mentioned. People can think what they want lets all just have ou
87 mayor : Southwest will call it a penguin
88 Post contains images slcdeltarumd11 : Nice!
89 Cubsrule : No, that was TZ, which WN did not acquire. TZ died on their own (with a large assist from FX).
90 mayor : Did WN not acquire TZ's operating certificate and some slots?
91 Cubsrule : Eventually - after they liquidated. That's hardly evidence of some ulterior motive.
92 Post contains images mayor : Well, that usually fills the bill, here on A.net
93 Post contains images DCA-ROCguy : It isn't. The US has antitrust law for good reason, though it rarely seems to be enforced. Had I anything to say about it, DL/NW, UA/CO, and WN/FL al
94 kcrwflyer : It's hard to keep my lunch down when I see the term AllegiTran. I'd think that some of those markets are easily large enough to support a modest WN o
95 Cubsrule : If GSP can support a modest WN operation - and WN apparently thinks it can - I see no reason why TYS cannot (and kcrwflyer, you might yet convince me
96 kcrwflyer : I'd think TYS could support at least 6 or 8 flights. I'd love to see just one of two of FL's florida experiment cities stick around. Despite the limi
97 DCA-ROCguy : I for one would be very happy to see all of those markets support small WN operations. AirTran seems to run a lot of spoke stations at 4-6 dailies. I
98 F9Fan : I think WN got TZ's gates at MDW, but I think the slots at LGA and DCA went back on the market. I think F9 got the DCA slots since at about the time
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